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what you get free pants or sumthin lee?
Of course!!
Due to the blogginz.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
I like to second guess myself :). Odd that mine came NIB in more forward position.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
I thought the lean (on more forward 18 degree) would feel super upright but it doesn't feel too bad in the living room at least. Not too far off my kryptons. And I'm a guy who loves forward lean.
Clever people those chineseQuote:
Originally Posted by PNWbrit
I just did that knot mod with some 3mm bungy, its -26 up here kinda cold to ski SO ...fuck with gear
Had the kind folks at California Ski Co mold some power wraps and foot beds in my vulcans. I'm now in the last upper buckle, the PWs definitely don't leave a ton of room (I have big calves) but they feel great now. Now difficult to unlatch buckle (to walk mode)... Needed a screw driver to so in the shop !
Another 21st Century problem cured!Quote:
Originally Posted by jamesp
For anyone getting new liners I would suggest getting the boot molded with the top buckle on the SECOND LAST notch of the ladder, I have the same thing going on and another problem is that the boot will be very hard to latch when some pow gets caught between the tongue and the liner and since there is no adjustment left on that top buckle you are more fucked, suggest you always lock and load if you are boot packing BEFORE you get a bunch of snow in there
IME PW's stiffened the mercury up so I often don't use the tongues to drive a lotus 120 which gives me a little extra slack on the top buckle
Makes sense... Though not sure I could have gotten that one closed. Probably could have... Hoping it loosens in slightly so I can get the second loop.
That's what I was hoping for. But almost two seasons later and it still hasn't happened. I think I need to find (longer) replacement cables to give myself just a little more slack to work with. Though I'm considering re-baking my liners (Intuition Power Tongues) and tightening the fuck out of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Driver
I must have 50 + days and I don't think the top buckle is gona loosen up either I have thot about heat gunning the top of the liner and cranking the buckle
Another liner question. I'm curious how the stock liners compare to the pro tours in volume/stiffness/performance? Also I have a 1.5cm shell fit in my 27.5 Vulcans and the stock liners actually fit really well once heat molded. It seems like a 27 Intuition would work for me but I keep reading that people are upsizing. Thoughts on 27 vs 28 would be appreciated.
I replaced stock liners (shell and liners were 28) with the same size pro tours. If I could do it again, I would upsize the liner or downsize the shell. It was borderline for me - fitting in a 27 - but in hindsight, I would have gone with the smaller shell or larger liner.
That said, if you are looking for a once baked 28 Pro Tour with about 20 days on them, let me know. Most of those "days" were morning skins before work, so probably about 10 full days in them total.
The pro tour walks better and has a little stiffer tongue, IMO. I like the way they skin and ski much better.
A friend of mine gave me some unused size 28 Dalbello-branded Intuition wraps to try in my 27.5 Vulcans. No way would they fit.
I got my size 28 PWs in my 28 Vulcans, but they seem a little higher volume than my PTs and there wasn't much extra room. The way that the PTs molded, my toe pushes forward past the liner's seam.
Looks to me like there would be room for a 29 PT in my 28 Vulcan, but maybe not a 28 PW.
I use a 30 pro tour in 29 Vulcan. It's about right. No chance the power wrap would fit, but I have a big calf.
I have 28 PW in my 27/27.5 Vulcan shell without issue. Have large calves. On the last 2 buckle notches for middle and upper.
Caveat that they were professionally molded and it would have been a huge pain getting them set up without 2 other people helping jam them in there
Judo,Quote:
Originally Posted by Judo Chop!
Did you ski the stock liners at all? Did you notice much of a volume difference with the oversized PTs vs stock?
DriverQuote:
Originally Posted by Driver
what kind of shell fit did you have?
did they heat the liners in an oven or did they use heater stacks?
thanks.
Sorry no I didn't. I had to get a ridiculous amount of shell punching for my foot, and we don't think the stock liner would stretch enough to work comfortably. so can't compare.Quote:
Originally Posted by sethschmautz
I do feel like the pro-tours don't have enough foam around the ankle though and it leaves a feeling of empty space there; then too much foam around the calf. I'll be trying something else for inbounds/slackcountry days and keeping the PTs for longer touring days as they are suuuuuuper comfortable.
Get some spare foam from Intuition and build around the calf. That works too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Judo Chop!
EDIT - and oh nice boots! Sip the kool-aid. It's magic!
yeah, I'm actually going back to Intuition today for some more followup fitting.
Yes, I a SUPER happy with these boots so far though. certainly have drunk the kool-aid... actually, honestly I was probably taking so long to buy them because I didn't want to be buying them because of the bro-brah factor, but they truly are rad. Now just need to step it up to BEASTmode.
I'm not sure if they are really a 130 flex (much softer flex compared to my Nordica Firearrows @ 135flex, in the lower shell especially)... could be because of the softer PT liners; could be that I'm just massive and flexing them in ways that most others don't... but I don't really care, I'm starting to think they ski better anyways!
I don't think their quality of flex is close to alpine boots so the whole stiffness thing is a bit of a red herring but they are insanely good despite my micro-parsing
Yah Intuition will sort you out. Smart of you to go there and invest the time
I think it's Tom that's investing all the time. Check out his instagram. dude rocks!Quote:
Originally Posted by LeeLau
Yeah intuition Vancover was worth the 13hr drive
My fitter who has been working with dynafits and race alpine for years called my fit aggressive and I would tend to agree. It's a close alpine like fit. But toes have room. Concern so far is forefoot but hoping break in gets me there. For comparison, I had to have my current 27.5 dalbello kr2 pros stretched and punched in multiple ways. I've only been out once briefly as of yet, so the jury is still out on what shell work I may need, but for a guy who never fits things out of the box, I am encouraged by my start. Fingers crossed.Quote:
Originally Posted by hoarhey
Obv not ready for full reviews yet, but first impressions are very strong. Highly intuitive stepping into and driving first turns coming from kr2s. Powerful so far on firm for the one I ran fast. Pumped so far, more to come.
I talked to Tom(?) at Intuition and ended up grabbing a pair of 28 PT's. Also tried a pair of the 27 Full Tilt PW's in them yesterday and they would have worked fine - I may still grab a pair of PW's for inbounds.
I got one day in the stock liners + three days with my KR2 PW liners and the Vulcans are amazing! Very similar forward lean to my KR2's and definitely feel stiffer. I already like the Vulcan more than my Dalbellos. I had my heart set on the CAST system and didn't want to buy into the Dynafit hype but stopped into Bent Gate just to check out the Vulcan/Beast. Ended up going back later that day with my GPO's and put a nice hole in my wallet but worth every penny! Unfortunately the stitching on my right liner fell apart the first day. I got a replacement but it seems to be a different liner - looks the same and says Vulcan but did not seem to heat mold at all and there was much pain on my instep. I'm getting the PT's molded next week and will report back.
Short Q: What Intuition ProTour tongue do people use with their Vulcans?
Great, thanks Driver.Quote:
Originally Posted by Driver
Any recollection of how he heated your liners?
oven or heater stack (that blow hot air inside liner)
I asked about the PT power tongue - apparently it doesn't do much and it has some flex issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by superdigg
A PW in the right shell was always a no brainer it has always worked for me but IME none of the tongued liners worked, the fact that they got mutiple choices is your clue that you gotta try em on, which is why it was worth it for me to wait for a vancover trip to try all the liners with the intuition peopleQuote:
Originally Posted by superdigg
I used the stock soft tongue because the boot was plenty stiff already for meQuote:
Originally Posted by superdigg
In the intuition oven. Same one I've seen at my other shop.Quote:
Originally Posted by hoarhey
Makes sense, have mainly used the Power tongue in my old boots but will probably switch out to the stock one.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeeLau
I finaly got around to making & sewing 2 pair of lace loops into the stock Dynafit liner to keep the tongues in place, did a test ski today AND this piece of shit is quite skiable after the mod, if I hada known this I could have possibly skipped dropping coin on the PW's (?)Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
If you have instep pressure in the mercury/vulcan I recommend you try cutting that stupid fucking piece of black shit off the instep of the stock liner
I have skied the stock liner < half a day, can I expect it to break in a bit??
Has anyone removed the third forefoot buckle from a Vulcan/Mercury/One? There are several reviews calling the buckle unnecessary and I agree but there's not much guidance on how to remove it. The closest explanation I could find is this from Lou, "removing the OEM buckle. This requires rotary grinding the head of a rivet inside the boot." Is there a better or easier way to go about removing the buckle?
Just to add: My 26 PTs fits my 25/25.5 shell perfectly.Quote:
Originally Posted by sethschmautz
yes stock liners on mine broke in/packed out after a while. I molded them twice though (2nd time with 2 toe caps, thicker socks), I needed a bit more wriggle room for the cold days.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
Before the liner surgery I couldn't do a couple of hrs but I now have a couple of days on the stock liner at the hill, I can see that liner will have more ROM tahn the PW for touring so that will be next which will probably break the liner in a little faster, I think the PWs are warmer and its fucking cold right now so back to the PW's ...nice to have more options