Rossignol Black Ops?

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Originally Posted by Crystal Skier

I’ve decided after being in Bend and with the type of snow western spew 9-10 6 and 9-10 kind of days…never leave your Sender/BO 118’s at home … although trying other stuff on days that your 118’s are meant for may not suck completely does leave one wanting and wondering what it could have been.
Bittersweet advice always have em on a trip.


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Was caught years ago not bringing my powder skis(Bibbys at the time) along on a trip as there was no new snow forecast. Of course it snows like crazy on a few days and couldn’t even rent anything wide. I suffered on my PB&Js which tip dove like crazy.
Since then I have always brought my 118 Wildcats and the last few years, the Blackops 118 along with similar shaped narrower skis.The BO 118 WAY MORE versatile than the Wildcats and much easier in bumps. Ski them the day after(or two) of storms as they are great in anything soft. Love them!!

So are these fuckers ever going to produce a 191 that I can purchase with my monies?

Mounted with a three D printed jig that MottN designed.
Measured -two point six mm from recommended groove (-two point four from centre) as the topsheets weren’t aligned; there’s a three mm difference between mount points.

Finally got the whole family together.
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Originally Posted by pembyguy

Mounted with a three D printed jig that MottN designed.
Measured -two point six mm from recommended groove (-two point four from centre) as the topsheets weren’t aligned; there’s a three mm difference between mount points.

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Look great! The rec mount graphics are always off on Blackops/Sender Free skis so always go off the bumps/groves as they seem to be more consistent it seems.
I’m the same -2.5/5cm total back and it’s perfect for my 175lbs on them. You’ll love them!

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Originally Posted by Dantheman

Finally got the whole family together.
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Nice lineup! Just missing the Sender Free 110 and BO 98 kids from the family…..haha

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Originally Posted by noslow;[emoji[emoji6[emoji640

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Cheers. Merry Christmas. Can’t wait to ski these


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Originally Posted by noslow

Nice lineup! Just missing the Sender Free 110 and BO 98 kids from the family…..haha

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In financial reality though, I can't think of too many situations where I'd take a Free 110 over the squads or 118s, and I don't need two mid-90s skis. Would love to A/B the 94Ti and BO98.

First day on the 94Ti and it's pretty fun. Not as composed of as the Squads through fast chunder but can hold a line. Absolutely rail carves. Lots of pop on side hits, the extra boost was notable and lots of fun.

Love the BO118. Maybe if I was in UT/WY fluff I would want something different. But in Austrian dense pow they are so perfect. Someone had asked 10 pages or so ago if the long camber was bad for dense snow. It's so not an issue.

I like the forward mount point. Getting some good pop out of the tails when I want. Much more so than a BC120.

Going between dense pow, to sastrugi to ice in one turn, I don't think I could ask for a better ski.

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Originally Posted by Dantheman

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In financial reality though, I can't think of too many situations where I'd take a Free 110 over the squads or 118s, and I don't need two mid-90s skis. Would love to A/B the 94Ti and BO98.

First day on the 94Ti and it's pretty fun. Not as composed of as the Squads through fast chunder but can hold a line. Absolutely rail carves. Lots of pop on side hits, the extra boost was notable and lots of fun.

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Your skis will definitely have the precision and carving edge over their twin tip brothers. BO 98 in 192cm is pretty good in crud but the 182cm is just okay vs heavier options. Perfect ski for tight spots, bumps and lighter snow though.

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Originally Posted by noslow

Your skis will definitely have the precision and carving edge over their twin tip brothers. BO 98 in 192cm is pretty good in crud but the 182cm is just okay vs heavier options. Perfect ski for tight spots, bumps and lighter snow though.

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I made the right call then, wanted something that could really lay trenches on groomers on firm days.

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Originally Posted by noslow

Since then I have always brought my 118 Wildcats and the last few years, the Blackops 118 along with similar shaped narrower skis.The BO 118 WAY MORE versatile than the Wildcats and much easier in bumps. Ski them the day after(or two) of storms as they are great in anything soft. Love them!!

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Could you describe how you feel the BO 118 has greater versatility than the Wildcat/Bibby?

The Bibby I'm on feels pretty versatile, but I avoid bumps when I can. The thing I like best about the Bibby is the calm, smooth feel in chopped up leftovers at the resort

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Originally Posted by skuff

Could you describe how you feel the BO 118 has greater versatility than the Wildcat/Bibby?

The Bibby I'm on feels pretty versatile, but I avoid bumps when I can. The thing I like best about the Bibby is the calm, smooth feel in chopped up leftovers at the resort

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A few things make it more versatile starting with the actual effective edge you get on the BO 118. Bibby/Wildcat don’t have that much taper(BO 118 has very little) but Moment skis don’t like being sharp past their camber contact point/start of rocker. I have my BO 118 sharp all the way to the widest taper points with a 1/3 tune, so get about a foot more effective edge on them. So on a refrozen Spring morning, the BO 118 grip without issue on edge but still are loose when flat.

Moment are soft on their extreme tip/tails but quickly get stiffer in the shovels and behind the bindings, so much less forgiving in bumps and doesn’t absorb the terrain as well as the BO 118 does(one of the best suspension out there). Found my Bibbys/118 Wildcats incredibly stable at very high speeds even in bumpy terrain but the BO 118 smooths out the terrain even more. More mass, rubber damping and a more gradual increasing flex pattern.

The other bonus of the BO 118 is their dual radius sidecut-longer 25m radius underfoot but tighter radius tip/tail. Initiates turns much easier when tipped but still very stable when flat/slight edge. Can enjoy the BO 118 on soft groomers at much lower speeds vs the 118 Wildcat that needed lots of speed to come alive.

BO 118 really are insanely good skis. Shocking how well it carves for a 118 and how easy it is to ski for such a heavy ski(that doesn’t feel heavy). Can ski them on days far after a storm and a riot in heavy Spring snow. Get far more days on them than I ever did with the Bibbys or wildcats.

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Originally Posted by noslow

A few things make it more versatile starting with the actual effective edge you get on the BO 118. Bibby/Wildcat don’t have that much taper(BO 118 has very little) but Moment skis don’t like being sharp past their camber contact point/start of rocker. I have my BO 118 sharp all the way to the widest taper points with a 1/3 tune, so get about a foot more effective edge on them. So on a refrozen Spring morning, the BO 118 grip without issue on edge but still are loose when flat.

Moment are soft on their extreme tip/tails but quickly get stiffer in the shovels and behind the bindings, so much less forgiving in bumps and doesn’t absorb the terrain as well as the BO 118 does(one of the best suspension out there). Found my Bibbys/118 Wildcats incredibly stable at very high speeds even in bumpy terrain but the BO 118 smooths out the terrain even more. More mass, rubber damping and a more gradual increasing flex pattern.

The other bonus of the BO 118 is their dual radius sidecut-longer 25m radius underfoot but tighter radius tip/tail. Initiates turns much easier when tipped but still very stable when flat/slight edge. Can enjoy the BO 118 on soft groomers at much lower speeds vs the 118 Wildcat that needed lots of speed to come alive.

BO 118 really are insanely good skis. Shocking how well it carves for a 118 and how easy it is to ski for such a heavy ski(that doesn’t feel heavy). Can ski them on days far after a storm and a riot in heavy Spring snow. Get far more days on them than I ever did with the Bibbys or wildcats.

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Thanks for your thoughts! The Black Ops sound great, I need to give them a try

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Originally Posted by noslow

A few things make it more versatile starting with the actual effective edge you get on the BO 118. Bibby/Wildcat don’t have that much taper(BO 118 has very little) but Moment skis don’t like being sharp past their camber contact point/start of rocker. I have my BO 118 sharp all the way to the widest taper points with a 1/3 tune, so get about a foot more effective edge on them. So on a refrozen Spring morning, the BO 118 grip without issue on edge but still are loose when flat.

Moment are soft on their extreme tip/tails but quickly get stiffer in the shovels and behind the bindings, so much less forgiving in bumps and doesn’t absorb the terrain as well as the BO 118 does(one of the best suspension out there). Found my Bibbys/118 Wildcats incredibly stable at very high speeds even in bumpy terrain but the BO 118 smooths out the terrain even more. More mass, rubber damping and a more gradual increasing flex pattern.

The other bonus of the BO 118 is their dual radius sidecut-longer 25m radius underfoot but tighter radius tip/tail. Initiates turns much easier when tipped but still very stable when flat/slight edge. Can enjoy the BO 118 on soft groomers at much lower speeds vs the 118 Wildcat that needed lots of speed to come alive.

BO 118 really are insanely good skis. Shocking how well it carves for a 118 and how easy it is to ski for such a heavy ski(that doesn’t feel heavy). Can ski them on days far after a storm and a riot in heavy Spring snow. Get far more days on them than I ever did with the Bibbys or wildcats.

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Interesting comparison, how do you feel about treeskiing them ? Also compared to bibbys, or old atomic BC which I loved in trees!

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Originally Posted by twat

Interesting comparison, how do you feel about treeskiing them ? Also compared to bibbys, or old atomic BC which I loved in trees!

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Again much easier in trees as many trees I see are kinda mogul filled or at least a bit bumpy. Bibbys very easy to pivot when flat as are the Blackops 118 but the more forgiving tips/tail flex on the BO 118 make things far less punishing. Even with good technique, tightly spaced bumps were a workout on the 190cm Wildcats or even 184cm Bibbys. You have to be perfect in stance or you’ll get bucked in moguls on the Moments vs the BO 118 that bend to the terrain more and forgive mistakes better.

Ski lots of trees at Revelstoke, Lake Louise, Kicking Horse when out West and find I use the BO 118 on more days than I ever did when I took out my Moments as the “powder ski”. Firm Spring mornings a nightmare on the Moments and very skiable on the BO 118.

It’s been years since I’ve been on the older Bents but they were a decent weight ski with a similar flex pattern (bit softer though) to the BO 118 with more taper. So probably not as precise on edge as the BO 118 but a forgiving flex pattern and similar rocker profile to it.

If you want a slightly lower swing weight slightly more soft snow optimized BO118 than I might suggest ON3P Jeff118s. They feel pretty similar, but the Jeff's lower swing weight and different rear taper lines made for an upgrade for my part.

I have yet to ski them back to back, but where BO118's tails can be schmeared where you want them I found that J118's tails kinda dissapear when you step on the gas a bit. Jeffs do not have quite the same monster truck ability at 200grs less, but they are close.

I am very satisfied that I tried to optimize on close to perfection (BO118) to explore other options (jeff118s).

BO118s are great tree skis for intermediate to strong skiers that use speed to make their heft dissapear. For newer skiers that like to noodle around a bit bent chet 120s might be more the ticket.

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Originally Posted by kid-kapow

If you want a slightly lower swing weight slightly more soft snow optimized BO118 than I might suggest ON3P Jeff118s. They feel pretty similar, but the Jeff's lower swing weight and different rear taper lines made for an upgrade for my part.

I have yet to ski them back to back, but where BO118's tails can be schmeared where you want them I found that J118's tails kinda dissapear when you step on the gas a bit. Jeffs do not have quite the same monster truck ability at 200grs less, but they are close.

I am very satisfied that I tried to optimize on close to perfection (BO118) to explore other options (jeff118s).

BO118s are great tree skis for intermediate to strong skiers that use speed to make their heft dissapear. For newer skiers that like to noodle around a bit bent chet 120s might be more the ticket.

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Bo 118 getting more interesting.
Yeah might not be the holy grail. But on3p are hard to get here. And I only buy minus 40% ski minimum.

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Originally Posted by twat

Bo 118 getting more interesting.
Yeah might not be the holy grail. But on3p are hard to get here. And I only buy minus 40% ski minimum.

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The BO118 really are great skis if you’re into a “precise if wanted, pretty loose if needed” ski that destroys tracked snow and crud. ON3P skis are going to be looser and less versatile in firmer conditions. Definitely more soft snow biased.

First ski that comes to mind for those wanting a lighter BO 118 option, Nordica Unlesshed 114 comes to mind. Long effective edge as well.

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Originally Posted by noslow

The BO118 really are great skis if you’re into a “precise if wanted, pretty loose if needed” ski that destroys tracked snow and crud. ON3P skis are going to be looser and less versatile in firmer conditions. Definitely more soft snow biased.

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Love that description. Got my 17-yo out on his 176 BO118'a yesterday and he is stoked on them. He spent the morning on his 174 BG116's (actually 114 in that length) which did well enough on the 20+ inches of heavy consolidated PNW "pow". I made him swap out at lunch as I figured the BO118 would be better in the chop and leftovers. He loved being on a ski that ski similarly to the BG but with better manner on the chewed up groomers. He loved mobbing the soft chop on the BO118. Now his biggest problem is what ski to choose on the next pow day? :P

Ready to mob the soft chop with my boys this weekend leftover from the holiday mob.
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Originally Posted by Bandit Man

Love that description. Got my 17-yo out on his 176 BO118'a yesterday and he is stoked on them. He spent the morning on his 174 BG116's (actually 114 in that length) which did well enough on the 20+ inches of heavy consolidated PNW "pow". I made him swap out at lunch as I figured the BO118 would be better in the chop and leftovers. He loved being on a ski that ski similarly to the BG but with better manner on the chewed up groomers. He loved mobbing the soft chop on the BO118. Now his biggest problem is what ski to choose on the next pow day? :P

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You’re doing DAD right if your kids have a powder ski quiver! Love

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Originally Posted by Bandit Man

Ready to mob the soft chop with my boys this weekend leftover from the holiday mob.
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It’s beautiful…….

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Originally Posted by twat

Bo 118 getting more interesting.

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BO118s is one of the best pow skis ever imho and easy to find at significant discounts. Do not overthink it - just get a pair and try them out - they are freaking great.

Have kind of an interesting pair of BO118s that might make their way to GS unless someone here is interested. I say interesting in that they are on the lighter side at about 2375g/ski. They still absolutely truck but might have just a bit less swing weight than the pairs coming in over 2500g. I agree with everything said here these skis are amazing. But I think I am going to roll with my Jeffrey 118s. They are a bit more nimble in tight however they can't be driven like the BO118s nor are they as good on groomed. Anyway hit me up if interested. They are the mostly black ones from 2022 I believe. 1.5 mounts. At -3 directional line with pivots for 296 bsl. Minty.