The 300g Touring Binding Thread

Okay, now a question for the you all

I'm so excited to have some touring skis on the way for next season (custom 187 ON3P Woodsman 110 Tour), and I'm trying to decide on a binding.

As alluded to in my post above, the Dynafit SSL 2.0 heel and Ski Trab toe is my current favorite binding combo. I max out the RV to 12. I hope these skis will last me a good long while, and my boots (Vulcans) only have a season or two left in them. So unfortunately, I need an adjustable heel.

My prior experience with heel adjustment via set screws (Plum) is the adjustment screws can come loose and the binding can move at an inopportune time (like while descending the Col du Cristaux).

I had pretty much decided on Ski Trab Titan Vario.2, but a friend bought a pair and I don't love the idea of having to twist to get between the top two riser heights. I don't mind twisting for flat because I only really do it for truly long, flat skinning, but I do go between med & high riser heights on the SSL somewhat often.

Before I switched to the SSL 2.0 heels, I had tried the Marker Kingpin and the Dynafit Speed Turn. I think the SSL 2.0 heel skis as well as either. Everyone talks about power transfer of the Kingpin heel ... but frankly I didn't really notice it much.

Anyway, options I'm considering:

1. SSL 2.0 heels mounted on B&D adjustment plate + ATK Freeride space. Ski Trab toe (with the Gara Titan spacer to keep ramp angle closer to my current combo). Cons: entering the heel in pow with the RV at 12 is a serious endeavor.

2. ATK Freeraider 14. Little heavier than I'd like -- 380 g vs like 200 g for option 1 . Does anyone know if the Evo for next season has the same mount pattern as the current FR?

3. ATK Freeraider 14 heel and Ski Trab toe frankenbinding. Leaning this direction, but I might have to buy a whole FR 14 and also Ski Trab toes = $$$. Ramp angle works out to be a bit more than my current setup, but about the same as the stock FR 14. Still weighs more, but excited about the overall package here.

Does anyone know if you can remove the brakes on the FR 14 while keeping the freeride spacer? Any idea on the weight savings of removing the brakes? I recall other brakes can add like 75g ish...?

Anybody have input here?

Brakes are 50grams ish. They aren't very robust. I canned mine but i don't like brakes. Mine came out to 345g with a decently heavy 30g shim. There is a brakeless spacer you can use if the opening bothers you. I don't. It's never been a problem.

Freeride Spacer works with no brakes

I'd look at the FR16. It's under $500 in Europe now. Or the moment Voyager. Both have a ~7mm Delta vs the standard 11 for the FR14

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Originally Posted by auvgeek

Okay, now a question for the you all

I'm so excited to have some touring skis on the way for next season (custom 187 ON3P Woodsman 110 Tour), and I'm trying to decide on a binding.

As alluded to in my post above, the Dynafit SSL 2.0 heel and Ski Trab toe is my current favorite binding combo. I max out the RV to 12. I hope these skis will last me a good long while, and my boots (Vulcans) only have a season or two left in them. So unfortunately, I need an adjustable heel.

My prior experience with heel adjustment via set screws (Plum) is the adjustment screws can come loose and the binding can move at an inopportune time (like while descending the Col du Cristaux).

I had pretty much decided on Ski Trab Titan Vario.2, but a friend bought a pair and I don't love the idea of having to twist to get between the top two riser heights. I don't mind twisting for flat because I only really do it for truly long, flat skinning, but I do go between med & high riser heights on the SSL somewhat often.

Before I switched to the SSL 2.0 heels, I had tried the Marker Kingpin and the Dynafit Speed Turn. I think the SSL 2.0 heel skis as well as either. Everyone talks about power transfer of the Kingpin heel ... but frankly I didn't really notice it much.

Anyway, options I'm considering:

1. SSL 2.0 heels mounted on B&D adjustment plate + ATK Freeride space. Ski Trab toe (with the Gara Titan spacer to keep ramp angle closer to my current combo). Cons: entering the heel in pow with the RV at 12 is a serious endeavor.

2. ATK Freeraider 14. Little heavier than I'd like -- 380 g vs like 200 g for option 1 . Does anyone know if the Evo for next season has the same mount pattern as the current FR?

3. ATK Freeraider 14 heel and Ski Trab toe frankenbinding. Leaning this direction, but I might have to buy a whole FR 14 and also Ski Trab toes = $$$. Ramp angle works out to be a bit more than my current setup, but about the same as the stock FR 14. Still weighs more, but excited about the overall package here.

Does anyone know if you can remove the brakes on the FR 14 while keeping the freeride spacer? Any idea on the weight savings of removing the brakes? I recall other brakes can add like 75g ish...?

Anybody have input here?

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Run the fr without the fr spacer and the brakes, you're at 300g. Fr14 toes are good.

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Originally Posted by auvgeek

I can easily twist out of the unlocked speed rad toe in tour mode. Like say, I step into the toes and then bend down to rotate the heels before locking my toes. I definitely twist out of the speed rad doing this simple movement, but I haven't yet twisted out of the unlocked Ski Trab toes. I have always skied my dynafit toes "locked one clock" but I ski the trab toes totally unlocked (except in consequential terrain).

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While I love the Trab toe and think it is the best available, I know there have been a couple failures but super rare and I still trust them. The Trab toe does not provide enough retention for firm snow kickturns unlocked, in fact my friend came out of his unlocked Trab toe while skinning yesterday afternoon. I came out of my toes skinning a few times and now I almost always skin with the toes locked which is fine. It definitely provides more retention than any other toe unlocked, including the ATK Raider toes which like the Dynafits are not functional at all for skinning unless you are locked out.

I think you should try the Vario.2, the flap-over-pins riser is higher than on skimo race bindings and is high enough for most skinning. For me it is more important to be able to transition from skinning to skiing without rotating the heel, but I understand that doesn't really matter if you're using the high riser since you have to rotate regardless. For what its worth the Trab heels are very smooth and rotating is no problem even on the beefy high release version. For those who like high risers I understand the critical importance of having 2 riser options that flip over the heel flaps, because bending over to turn the heel sucks whether its while skinning or transitioning. The only bindings I know of with that feature are the Plum Oazo (maybe not enough retention for you), Salomon/Atomic MTN and ATK Raider.

For those who are Raider-curious, CCBC has these older Raiders for $400 new but with 82mm brake only. Good deal if you want to remove the brake https://cripplecreekbc.com/products/...12-2-0-binding

The mtn toe provides a ton of retention.
I never lock my toes skinning and never came out, ice or not.

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While I love the Trab toe and think it is the best available, I know there have been a couple failures but super rare and I still trust them. The Trab toe does not provide enough retention for firm snow kickturns unlocked, in fact my friend came out of his unlocked Trab toe while skinning yesterday afternoon. I came out of my toes skinning a few times and now I almost always skin with the toes locked which is fine. It definitely provides more retention than any other toe unlocked, including the ATK Raider toes which like the Dynafits are not functional at all for skinning unless you are locked out.

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Very helpful, thanks!! I have been curious if the ATK Raider toes are similar to the Ski Trab ones. My knowledge on failures (through skimoco) is clearly a bit stale, and the number of Trab toes in NA has clearly increased over the past 2 years since I chatted with them.

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I think you should try the Vario.2, the flap-over-pins riser is higher than on skimo race bindings and is high enough for most skinning. For me it is more important to be able to transition from skinning to skiing without rotating the heel, but I understand that doesn't really matter if you're using the high riser since you have to rotate regardless. For what its worth the Trab heels are very smooth and rotating is no problem even on the beefy high release version.

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I don't care too much about having to rotate the heel to transition from skinning to skiing on this particular setup. I transition much quicker on my lighter setups, but for this one, I'll usually have to put my Vulcan tongues in, get my helmet out, etc.

I'll have to think more about the Vario.2. I'm drawn to the adjustable release and freeride space of the Raider, but maybe those features aren't necessary for me.

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For those who like high risers I understand the critical importance of having 2 riser options that flip over the heel flaps, because bending over to turn the heel sucks whether its while skinning or transitioning. The only bindings I know of with that feature are the Plum Oazo (maybe not enough retention for you), Salomon/Atomic MTN and ATK Raider.

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Yeah, if the Oazo had a RV in the 12-14 range, I'd be more interested. I have other skis for meadow skipping -- I was hoping to charge a bit on this setup.

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Originally Posted by auvgeek

I'll have to think more about the Vario.2. I'm drawn to the adjustable release and freeride space of the Raider, but maybe those features aren't necessary for me.

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Sounds like the Raider would make a lot of sense for you just for the riser options, but once you start using Trab its hard to use anything else. You can use the ATK Universal spacer with the Vario.2 don't buy the Raider just for the spacer. In fact I think the Universal spacer is a better design than the Raider's integrated design which has more small plastic parts and I have had friends break them.

The Raider has a steeper ramp angle but you can shim them using the spacer ATK makes or if you use Trab toes you can use the B&D classic spacers or buy from Spyder Jon

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Originally Posted by auvgeek

Yeah, if the Oazo had a RV in the 12-14 range, I'd be more interested. I have other skis for meadow skipping -- I was hoping to charge a bit on this setup.

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Re: Oazo, I've been skiing them for a couple season and have about 60 days on them without ever coming out of the binding. I'm 175 lbs without gear and ski with the reckless abandon of someone who still like to believe he's in his 20s. They're on my daily drivers and have seen their fair share of very steep bulletproof snow, 10' drops at speed, and extreme back-seat high-speed shenanigans. They feel as solid as my Superlite binding with an RV of 12. I'd say the RV8 is quite misleading and these bindings don't need to be confined to the meadow skipping ski.
For reference my usual DIN, when given the chance to adjust, is around 11 (obviously).

Some pretty good deals on Trofeo bindings right now at Telemark Pyrenees. Shipping was sooo fast. I was stunned.

https://www.telemark-pyrenees.com/pr...s?currency=USD

probably cuz the shipping hub is close by in toulouse, I have also had really fast shipping from TP

I need a binding to complement my vipecs. I have a few vipecs that I have been using between all my skis since they were released.

I find they ski very well for my needs. I trust them to keep me in and release only when they should. Why do I want another binding? I spend a lot of time with skis on my back on couloirs and hiking to the snow line. Beside weight I want something that is fast at transitioning. The vipecs toes get clogged up in spring snow and they are very hard to take off. Many times I have to put them on by holding the toe open with a pole or by hand, kinda like the old g3 zed.

I am looking at:

ATK crest - Solid and great overall. Supposedly some elastic travel. Dunno about the lack of gapless heels. I encounter jittery crust and refrozen chunks all season. I love the look and feel of the binding, and I would probably put it on my wall after using it for a decade, but at the moment I don't have the resources to blow on buji gear.

Trab vario 2 - The toe design is intriguing, but the elastic advantage is not really there from what I read. Also how easy is it to get into the toes? I'm used to holding the toes open from my vipecs, but it might be a nuisance when getting into the bindings from a rap. They have a gapless heel but that spring looks fidgety.

Marker Alpinist - Good on paper, but Marker always has the fanboys and hype. I dislike how they handle their warranty. They can be found cheap though. Surprisingly, I can't find much bitching about them on TGR which is a good sign. Anyone have experience with them in spring snow?

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I need a binding to complement my vipecs. I have a few vipecs that I have been using between all my skis since they were released.

I find they ski very well for my needs. I trust them to keep me in and release only when they should. Why do I want another binding? I spend a lot of time with skis on my back on couloirs and hiking to the snow line. Beside weight I want something that is fast at transitioning. The vipecs toes get clogged up in spring snow and they are very hard to take off. Many times I have to put them on by holding the toe open with a pole or by hand, kinda like the old g3 zed.

I am looking at:

ATK crest - Solid and great overall. Supposedly some elastic travel. Dunno about the lack of gapless heels. I encounter jittery crust and refrozen chunks all season. I love the look and feel of the binding, and I would probably put it on my wall after using it for a decade, but at the moment I don't have the resources to blow on buji gear.

Trab vario 2 - The toe design is intriguing, but the elastic advantage is not really there from what I read. Also how easy is it to get into the toes? I'm used to holding the toes open from my vipecs, but it might be a nuisance when getting into the bindings from a rap. They have a gapless heel but that spring looks fidgety.

Marker Alpinist - Good on paper, but Marker always has the fanboys and hype. I dislike how they handle their warranty. They can be found cheap though. Surprisingly, I can't find much bitching about them on TGR which is a good sign. Anyone have experience with them in spring snow?

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i probably fall under fanboy, but I like my alpinists. Super flat though. So good for some. I have a big heel shim. But they don’t do any funny stuff and seem to ski well and handle snow and ice well.

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Originally Posted by Cocximus

I need a binding to complement my vipecs. I have a few vipecs that I have been using between all my skis since they were released.

I find they ski very well for my needs. I trust them to keep me in and release only when they should. Why do I want another binding? I spend a lot of time with skis on my back on couloirs and hiking to the snow line. Beside weight I want something that is fast at transitioning. The vipecs toes get clogged up in spring snow and they are very hard to take off. Many times I have to put them on by holding the toe open with a pole or by hand, kinda like the old g3 zed.

I am looking at:

ATK crest - Solid and great overall. Supposedly some elastic travel. Dunno about the lack of gapless heels. I encounter jittery crust and refrozen chunks all season. I love the look and feel of the binding, and I would probably put it on my wall after using it for a decade, but at the moment I don't have the resources to blow on buji gear.

Trab vario 2 - The toe design is intriguing, but the elastic advantage is not really there from what I read. Also how easy is it to get into the toes? I'm used to holding the toes open from my vipecs, but it might be a nuisance when getting into the bindings from a rap. They have a gapless heel but that spring looks fidgety.

Marker Alpinist - Good on paper, but Marker always has the fanboys and hype. I dislike how they handle their warranty. They can be found cheap though. Surprisingly, I can't find much bitching about them on TGR which is a good sign. Anyone have experience with them in spring snow?

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I've used all 3. ATK says that with their CAM system at the heel with rotating pins, performance is equivalent to a gapless binding. I'm not sure if that's true, you do occasionally get that grinding on the pins feeling at the heel that you get on traditional tech bindings but the release was reliable in my experience. I like the Trab toes, I think they are safer and more elastic than a traditional tech toe but I have no real evidence to back that up. I find they are easier to use in exposed situations since you can manually control the toe arms, but they can sometimes be a little annoying in deep pow. They are easier to use with boots that have ramped tech inserts at the toe, but they also make all tech bindings easier to use. I'm not sure what you mean that the spring looks fidgety, its super solid in my experience and I haven't heard of anyone having issues with it. Lateral elasticity in the Trab heels feels superior to every other brand, its just smoother. Alpinists feel very good while skiing, I think it has something to do with the carbon infused toe piece that creates a dampening effect. The 15mm heel adjustment range can be annoying but they make a 30mm "long travel" version. The toe bumpers on the Alpinists are prominent and sometimes require some shaving of your toe lugs on your boots.

An important factor to consider is ramp angle. Crests have 10mm, Vario.2 have 8mm and Alpinists have 2mm. You can easily shim the toe pieces of the Crests and Trabs to reduce ramp angle using B&D classic shims from skimo.co or buying from Syperjon who makes them. If you want to increase the ramp angle on the Alpinists as some have done you need to make your own shim for the heel. Right now I have the original Trab vario bindings on my 3 pairs of touring skis because I like the toes and lateral elasticity of trab heels, and I'm not totally convinced that zero-gap heels are worth the extra weight. I think the 3 bindings you mentioned are the best currently on the market because the original Varios are no longer made and the Gara Titans lack the lateral elasticity of the Vario series. I wouldn't mind owning and skiing any of them, you can't really go wrong. I had a warranty issue with a pair of Crests last year where the heel elasticity spring was too soft (they mentioned there was a bad batch somewhere..) and I was able to easily get them replaced through Hagan (I had the Hagan branded version) but I heard that Black Diamond will be covering ATK warranty claims in the US going forward.

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I need a binding to complement my vipecs. I have a few vipecs that I have been using between all my skis since they were released.

I find they ski very well for my needs. I trust them to keep me in and release only when they should. Why do I want another binding? I spend a lot of time with skis on my back on couloirs and hiking to the snow line. Beside weight I want something that is fast at transitioning. The vipecs toes get clogged up in spring snow and they are very hard to take off. Many times I have to put them on by holding the toe open with a pole or by hand, kinda like the old g3 zed.

I am looking at:

ATK crest - Solid and great overall. Supposedly some elastic travel. Dunno about the lack of gapless heels. I encounter jittery crust and refrozen chunks all season. I love the look and feel of the binding, and I would probably put it on my wall after using it for a decade, but at the moment I don't have the resources to blow on buji gear.

Trab vario 2 - The toe design is intriguing, but the elastic advantage is not really there from what I read. Also how easy is it to get into the toes? I'm used to holding the toes open from my vipecs, but it might be a nuisance when getting into the bindings from a rap. They have a gapless heel but that spring looks fidgety.

Marker Alpinist - Good on paper, but Marker always has the fanboys and hype. I dislike how they handle their warranty. They can be found cheap though. Surprisingly, I can't find much bitching about them on TGR which is a good sign. Anyone have experience with them in spring snow?

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Heads up that if you decide to go crest they are on sale through BD currently: https://www.blackdiamondequipment.co...E&gclsrc=aw.ds

I have some and generally like them, no experience with the trabs or alpinist though.

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Does anyone here have strong opinions on atk trofeo vs ski trab Gara Titan for a fast and light setup? I have trofeos on some other skis and have no complaints but I'm intrigued by the ski trabs, which are unfortunately a lot harder to find on sale.

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It’s a good time to be buying bindings. Vario.2 are ~$300 and alpinists are ~$225 from euro sites right now.

While I am a believer in the Trab toe and love the Vario series, I don’t have much confidence in the Gara Titan heelpiece. I think it releases too easily. I clipped a rock in a couloir at very low speed and had a lateral release at the heel that felt like it came out too easily, and I have a ski partner who had a similar experience so I wouldn’t trust the Gara unlocked for serious skiing. The Trofeo meanwhile has been skied aggressively unlocked by many without issues including several mags in this thread.

For the record all the Gara Titan heels are the same tower, they just switch the spring thickness and material so the easy release is consistent across all versions of the binding.

All the pictures I saw of the vario 2 showed them with the brakes which have the weird spring. I thought they are a must. Good to find that the binding can be used without the brakes. It also looks like the vario 2 can be installed without the adjustment track, correct? I think using the toe would be easy with skinny skis, but with wide skis sometimes I like to stick the tails in the snow and click in. Dunno how the lotus would work with the vario toe in exposed transitions. Although I doubt I would the vario with my wide skis.

Who has the vario for $300 ish?

Crest sale. Damn that is a good deal. Buji binding for the price of markers. I have had great experience with BD replacement parts for way out of warranty vipecs. Having BD as the distributor is a big perk.

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The brake on the Vario 2 is easily removeable and most don’t use the brake (especially since the widest they offer is 94mm). The brake is the best on the market for tech bindings though. You cannot use the Vario.2 without the spring loaded adjustment track. I prefer the original Vario because you can use them without the tracks.

The mtn is really good

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It’s a good time to be buying bindings. Vario.2 are ~$300 and alpinists are ~$225 from euro sites right now.

While I am a believer in the Trab toe and love the Vario series, I don’t have much confidence in the Gara Titan heelpiece. I think it releases too easily. I clipped a rock in a couloir at very low speed and had a lateral release at the heel that felt like it came out too easily, and I have a ski partner who had a similar experience so I wouldn’t trust the Gara unlocked for serious skiing. The Trofeo meanwhile has been skied aggressively unlocked by many without issues including several mags in this thread.

For the record all the Gara Titan heels are the same tower, they just switch the spring thickness and material so the easy release is consistent across all versions of the binding.

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What site has alpinist at that price? Checked my usual suspects and alpinist 12 was closer to $300


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$216 alpinists https://www.oliunid.com/marker-alpin...alpinismo.html

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$216 alpinists https://www.oliunid.com/marker-alpin...alpinismo.html

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Those guys also have the demo trab for $300. From the specs the only difference is 6g. Anything else?

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The demo Trab comes with brakes which are removable. If you are taking the brakes off you need a little plate that sits where the brakes get mounted, not sure if that’s included but skimo co has them for like $1 or so

Thanks for the link

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The demo Trab comes with brakes which are removable. If you are taking the brakes off you need a little plate that sits where the brakes get mounted, not sure if that’s included but skimo co has them for like $1 or so

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Are you sure? I can't see it on skimo or their catalog https://www.skitrab.com/media/skitra...20_small_2.pdf

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While I am a believer in the Trab toe and love the Vario series, I don’t have much confidence in the Gara Titan heelpiece. I think it releases too easily. I clipped a rock in a couloir at very low speed and had a lateral release at the heel that felt like it came out too easily, and I have a ski partner who had a similar experience so I wouldn’t trust the Gara unlocked for serious skiing.

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Wonder how a trab toe + trofeo heel would do?

Thanks for the input, definitely a hard sell on the Gara titans with trofeos $200 cheaper and I know they are solid.

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Wish i could get good CS from Black Diamond- sent in a trofeo toe piece with pivot pin falling out, haven’t heard back in two months. No response to emails.




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Two other considerations for which individuals' preferences differ:

Do you like a (second) high riser, or is race style, single riser fine for you?

Do you like infinitely adjustable release in both horizontal and vertical release, or is U-pin race style heel ok for you?

I think these two considerations should high up in your filter selection criteria.

... Thom

The Trab toe has some lateral elasticity when skiing unlocked which other tech toes don’t have. This is great when combined with the Vario heel which is also very elastic, the heel can twist quite far and still return to center. I would hesitate to use the Trab toe with a heel from a different brand but I know people who do it without issues. You can still find the original Vario binding at skimo co in the R10 and R12 versions if you want something under 200g, and you can replace the flex plate with an ATK race plate or mount the heel direct on the ski.

I’m surprised Black Diamond hasn’t gotten back to you Riff, I’ve had good experiences with their warranty dept and they are typically inclined to just replace the piece for free when it comes to binding issues.

You could easily play around with a Trab toe trofeo heel setup though, as the Trab toe has the same mount pattern as the trofeo toe

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Two other considerations that are very personal.

Do you like a (second) high riser, or is race style, single riser fine for you?

Do yo like infinitely adjustable release in both horizontal and vertical release, or is U-pin race style ok for you?

I think these two considerations should the first two filters in your selection criteria - or at least in your first four.

... Thom

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Good points.

I do steep skinning without risers, so one riser is fine. The crest and vario have 2 + flat. Yes they are not very exactly easy to switch around.

Dunno. Adjustable sounds good, but I think I value elasticity and predictable release more than some non DIN adjustable RV.


Is the ATK crest track metal or plastic?

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Good points.

I do steep skinning without risers, so one riser is fine. The crest and vario have 2 + flat. Yes they are not very exactly easy to switch around.

Dunno. Adjustable sounds good, but I think I value elasticity and predictable release more than some non DIN adjustable RV.


Is the ATK crest track metal or plastic?

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I always like to mention that ;-) Bear in mind that the Crest, RT-10, etc. basically have two positions: flat and low. With pins forward, the riser seats onto the pins. If you rotate the heel 180 degrees, you get flat plus more or less the same height (I think a couple mm higher, but nothing significant).

@Spyderjon or someone else can comment on the track. I think that the Crest and its siblings have a plastic track, but don't quote me on this. The accessory track for the race bindings is (I believe) alloy.

... Thom

All of the bindings being discussed have a plastic heel track. Other than skimo race bindings, Im trying to think of light-ish touring bindings that have metal tracks. Salomon MTN, G3 Zed has a metal track but the binding housing that sits in the track is plastic, Plum Oazo and ATK Haute Route have skimo style metal adjustment plates, Plum Pika, Dynafit Speed Turn/Speed Radical have metal tracks but I don't think it matters. Plastic in bindings seems fine (except for the plastic toe levers on the new Dynafit Superlite those seem super fragile)

I am cool with "plastic". I ended up getting vario 2. Thanks for all the info and links. Oliunid has amazing prices.

What crampons should I get to go with the vario? Lots of manufacturers for dynafit compatible crampons.

So no template for this binding?

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I think the normal Dynafit 5 hole toe template will work for your Trab toes. I mounted a set of TR Race adjustable and I think I remember just free handing the rear binding after toes were mounted because I couldn't find a template.

ATK template works alright, toes line up and the heel width matches

https://skimo.co/tech-binding-hole-patterns

Ski Trab Vario Adj. / Vario.2 30 x 27 45.5 x 37.5
ATK Crest / Kuluar 30 x 27 45/25 x 60

Close, but I will probably make my own template.

I messaged skitrab five days ago with some questions. Nothing. Italians in July? I hope this is not the way it goes with them.

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https://skimo.co/tech-binding-hole-patterns

Ski Trab Vario Adj. / Vario.2 30 x 27 45.5 x 37.5
ATK Crest / Kuluar 30 x 27 45/25 x 60

Close, but I will probably make my own template.

I messaged skitrab five days ago with some questions. Nothing. Italians in July? I hope this is not the way it goes with them.

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Doesn't Italy take the month of August off? They might think it's August already ;-)

... Thom

not a lot happens in france either except for a fete in every small town

and i think it is fucking hot