What layup did you go with on the Lhasas?Quote:
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What layup did you go with on the Lhasas?Quote:
Originally Posted by detrusor
Pfluff on the prowl....Quote:
Originally Posted by pfluffenmeister
I'm probably an outlier but mounted at -1 (based on popular opinion) and feel too far back. Have been toying with the idea of moving them to the line, but not sure if 1cm will make a difference. For reference I don't tend to drive the front of the ski hard, and these measure long for me so that may explain the difference in experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by fleaches
Is there anyway i can get a MVP and a MVP +1?
Someone convince me not to buy an Enduro 187 GPO as a winter touring and resort pow ski. Mounted with Vipecs or something..
Wait, why? That setup would be dope.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alyosha_SP
Sorry, cant help [emoji41]Quote:
Originally Posted by Alyosha_SP
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Go out on mine yesterday (2nd day on a new to me pair -187 Enduro / Veneer). I'm loving them but wondering if they're too too long for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alyosha_SP
It's only in tight terrain where I have my doubts.
Gonna take these, my 182 Down CD 114s, and a pair of 186 Billy Goats to Utah in 6 days and hoping to sort this out.
Stay tuned.
... Thom
Has anyone skied a -1 MVP? I've got a 193 all mountain twin that's coming up on end of life and thinking it might do well in that quiver spot.
Thats a piste jib. Fun versatile all mountain twin. Only dif is pj is 3flex and mvp is 4flexQuote:
Originally Posted by nickel
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Enduro core, stock flex w nylon top sheet.
I wish they had a little more support in the tail.
The dynastars are the 192 Aurelian ducroz pro models. Really like them.
My GPO are 192 ultralight core w carbon, 4 flex. Really like those as well.
Not saying I don’t like the Lhasa just hard to transition back and forth from my other skis (plus supergoats for deeeep days)....need a different style...seems more arch of foot instead of in the cuffs.
Probably my total lack of skill
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Except for pj longest length is 184. I haven't skied many skis I really like any shorter than 188. My preferred length for everything but a pure carving ski is 190-195. Hard to find in a 95-100mm playful twin.Quote:
Originally Posted by grinch
I find this interesting. I find my Lhasas tails can kind of kick my ass if I’m not in the front seat - but when I am they’re magical - super quick and supportive.Quote:
Originally Posted by detrusor
Always interesting to see how different people feel something the complete opposite of how another does on the same ski. I guess ski tune, skier size, and technique maybe explain it
Although not relevant to the Lhasas, this mirrors my process of discovery as well. My comments above (about my 187 GPOs) may not have been clear, and the fact that they felt a bit long in some tight spaces may have as much to do with the layup as well as the length. I pretty much have a handle on GPO mount points by now ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Muggydude
I suspect my Goldilocks setup for them would either be 187 Enduro/Carbon/Veneer, or 182 Enduro/Veneer. My trip next week will tell me more.
Between these skis, the Q's I sold (182 - Enduro/Carbon/Veneer), and my 182 GPOs (Enduro/Nylon/Veneer), I'm coming to better isolate the attributes of the layup permutations.
I'm seeing how much I love what Veneer introduces, and my favorite layup may indeed be Enduro/Carbon/Veneer. The Q's showed me that the Veneer really tames the Carbon, and if you have wimpy legs like mine, then the added "pop" of the carbon isn't a bad thing. Obviously, young chargers don't need the carbon.
... Thom
Ah yes. Missed that. Guessing youd want 4 flex anywayQuote:
Originally Posted by nickel
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If I was going to do it, I think it would be 193 -1 MVP with Heavy + C and veneer in a #5 flex.Quote:
Originally Posted by grinch
So, yeah, anyone had Keith build them a -1 MVP?
Obviously different strokes but I just don’t get why you wouldn’t want the standard MVP? Mine are the skinniest ski in my quiver that I actually use regularly.
So true, I have different taste in builds but, yupQuote:
Originally Posted by galibier_numero_un
Going to pull the trigger on these GPO’s. Enduro Veneer 4 flex 187s. Going to be used maybe 60/40 resort/backcountry.
Debating binding... they have kingpin holes 5mm from my BSL so that would work without another set of holes...
also debating Tecton, Vipec and I guess the shift.
thoughts? Stoked to get on the GPO hype!!
I find skis over 100 underfoot are never more than passable on groomers. I also work on my skis and therefore am not always doing what I want. I've got a quiver that already covers the ~110mm spot while there ~100mm spot is 10 years old or something and tired AF.Quote:
Originally Posted by eskido
I'm just as perplexed by those who shunned skinny skis. I've got big skis and boy do I love my protests, but that doesn't take away my appreciation for the less girthy sticks. I also like having little to no overlap in my quiver as it makes ski choice brainless and means they all get used. As you say, different strokes.
So, bizarre update but I had an incredible kumbaya moment with these skis yesterday. Started the day groomer zooming on SLs and then switched to the PJs when things started to warm up. Between killing it in chalky bumps and railing GS turns it was really a fantastic day. Haven’t done any work on them yet this season either which is what bewilders me.Quote:
Originally Posted by east or bust
Replaced old boot liners with power wraps, maybe that has something to do with it.. who knows.
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I like this, and am moving toward this approach as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by nickel
... Thom
Do send a review, but that’s a great build.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alyosha_SP
Of the bindings your listed, I recommend shift for 60/40, tecton for 40/60
Will keith still build a MVP -1? Isnt it all experimental shapes now?
It's still listed on his website. I guess the bigger question is if spring sale is still a thing
Can't speak for the kingpins or shifts, but I have been skiing tectons and vipecs the last few years. The tecton in particular feels almost identical to an alpine binding (or would if my AT boots were stiffer anyways). On vipecs I have occasionally knocked the heels into Tele mode while skiing bumps but that can't really happen with the tectons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alyosha_SP
If I were you though I might try to track down some cheap kingpins on gear swap and try them out with the holes you have. Even if you ski them once and sell them at least you'll get a chance to try out the current mounting position and get some feedback on where to drill next.
Also thanks everyone for the mounting advice!
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I noticed when looking at my buddy's Tectons that the downward lever position locks the heel into ski mode. With the Vipec, a downward flip of the lever puts you into touring mode. I've also on occasion gone into insta-tele mode on my Vipecs because of this. I'm conscious of feeling/hearing the click when shifting modes.Quote:
Originally Posted by fleaches
... Thom
I will believe it when I see it/read it...Quote:
Originally Posted by galibier_numero_un
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^^^This^^^ I actually really like my kingpins but they’re just not resort binders at all IMHOQuote:
Originally Posted by SupreChicken
Do I get points for close to no overlap ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Undertow
I game GPO, Lhasa Fat and supergoats. So much overlap
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Qs, Praxis Lhasa, 17’ C&D, 19’ C&D, Protests
Not quite sure what quiver overlap is
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Lhasa Pow Fat (PMGear & Praxis), Kusala (Stiff & Soft), Koala, Billy Goat, Protest, Lotus 138.
Wasn't supposed to buy anything this year, but couldn't resist.
Koala, Billy Goat & Protest, still need to sing for their supper.
ski some wet PNW schmoo and the goats will please you.Quote:
Originally Posted by pfluffenmeister
I have semi-overlap, and entirely too many skis.
I wish I still had my first pair of GPO I sold to Tone (RIP).
With all of the new Praxis models, the GPO seems to have been overlooked the past 2-3 years. It was my first (and still) favorite Praxis model and tied with my Down CD 114s my favorite ski.Quote:
Originally Posted by N1CK.
... Thom
In the same vein, I think the MVP is overlooked around here. Recently took out my stock enduro 193s out on 12’’ of cement on top of rocks, frozen rocks, waterbeds and EC ice and they were fantastic. Such a ridiculously fun pow ski for 110 under foot imo. Total playful chargers for me at 5’7’’ 185. The bases on the ~5 y/o MVP are a lot more durable than my old school camouflage Pows from ~10 years ago, for whatever that’s worth. But I think a big factor in why I personally like them so much is because they ski so similarly to my PJs, which are my daily driver here in NE, which I also happen to think are also way fun in pow considering their width. Plug and play.
Mounting up some 14/15 Protests with carbon. Anyone know the recommended drill bit size? I don't see it on Praxis's website.
3.5x9.5?
Planning to buy from Slidewright... https://www.slidewright.com/alpine--...drill-bits.php
Correct. No metal = 3.5mm
Some MVPs should be in the mail in the next couple days, stoke is high. What's the thoughts on mounting point? Skis: 193 MVPs , 4 flex, veneer, mounted with Shifts. Me: 6'3, 200lbs, more neutral stance, 50/50 resort/touring, ski in the PNW and Idaho, lots of tree skiing.