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Norm Macdonald stating his theory on the finale the past several hours on twitter. Just check out his "full profile" and his tweets and pertinent retweets are all neatly organized.
I think his theory may be accurate, or at least plausible.
basically, to summarize, he says Walt dies in the snowed in car in NH, and the subsequent scenes are all the dreams of a dying mind.
Really good interview on NPR's Fresh Air today with two of the show's writers.
http://www.npr.org/2013/10/03/228813...theres-no-more
caught a little bit of that. "tom's rule" is part of what made BB good.
Wish Lost was written that way
Fantastic ending.
In the Albuquerque Journal today...
http://main.abqjournal.netdna-cdn.co...queJournal.jpg
Had no idea so many people hated the Lost ending. I guess I'm part of the 1% ;)
Didn't hate the ending or the show. The show started to get "Lost" in the writing with way too many tangents and loose ends in the last couple seasons. If they wouldve followed the BB code it wouldve been even better.Quote:
Originally Posted by jtran10
I think it was Trey Parker who best nailed the Lost creators. In South Park, one of the boys sees another group of kids outside and asks what they are doing and I think its Craig who says they are playing "Lost". He says it's easy; you "just wander around in the jungle and make it up as you go along."
I never watched one minute of Lost, but does anybody remember Twin Peaks ? After the first season it was like Lynch was making it up as he went along as well as trying to out weird himself. What a disappointment that was. Every time I happen upon a cool show like BB I always worry it's gonna end up like Twin Peaks.
I don't think I've ever seen a show hold together so well through a number of seasons as BB did. That was remarkable. Twin Peaks is a perfect example of something that started out great and ended up shit. Weeds went into the shitter, and Homeland and Boardwalk Empire seem to be headed south.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jer
I guess the Simpsons still has its moments, but I don't watch it much any more.
The Sopranos is still the benchmark.
And now it's time for the Walking Dead.
Twin Peak was great. Unfortunately the network made Lynch solve the crime too soon, and then the show just tanked from there. A lot of the final episodes were shown as a marathon on some random evening due to desert storm new coverage bumping TV shows all around, from what I've read.
But watching season 1 through the midpoint of season 2 I think it's an upper echelon all time show. BB/Lost level for me.
The ending... :nonono2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Benny Profane
Could have been the benchmark....Quote:
Originally Posted by Benny Profane
VG did it right -
Sopranos fell off, particularly in Season 5, and the non-ending felt hollow.
BB was the whole package. Acting, writing, cinematography. It never really faltered and the ending was great. To me, it's in a league of its own.
Sopranos started at a higher level and was maybe the best single season of original programming on tv when it came out, but it never exceeded that first season and unfortunately only got worse - which was still rarified air in general but underachieving at the end.
BB started out good, got great and ended with two half seasons (16 episodes) that were in their own league. I think the constant upward trajectory sets it apart from most.
Fa! Sacrilege! The Sopranos is the finest TV series ever written and produced.
Why does everyone need an ending? Use your imagination.
I agree with this. I'll say that BB was more of a consistent show, season after season. But I don't think it had the polish, or depth that the Sopranos had. I can still go back and watch old Sopranos episodes & pick up something new every time. I don't get that with BB.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benny Profane
I'd have to put the Wire above BB too.
anyone have thoughts on the walt died in his car in NH theory that was posed last week?
Yes. I think it's a shitty theory and doesn't make sense compared to the rest of the show.Quote:
Originally Posted by jtran10
Any fans of the Shield on here? Loved that show, equally as compelling and good at making you connect with a bad guy.
http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/c...he_shield.html
Symbolic imagery is connotation not denotation. Having gone all in with his Heisenberg persona, Walt is depicted almost like a ghost after Heisenberg symbolically dies in "Granite State" but, no, he's not literally a ghost and he didn't physically die in New Hampshire. I stand with my interpretation; two personas deserved two deaths. First, the imaginary persona, Heisenberg, dies symbolically as Walt's inner rage burns out. Then, we again see what remains of the deeply flawed man that's left behind, the Walt we met in the first season. Having embraced his Heisenberg persona, there's not much left when its gone. Heisenberg, like the cancer, consumed him. Walt was destroyed by his tragic flaw, his hubris. There's just enough Walt left to make it through his final acts. He ditches his watch...his time has run out. First he makes a confession to Skyler. He then dies in what could be seen as an act of contrition (destroying himself along with Uncle Jack's gang). Ultimately, the difference between Walt and Heisenberg is that Heisenberg believed his own lies and kept telling himself he could beat the odds. In the end, Walt accepts his fate. Ergo, Heisenberg dies a slow death in denial in a crapass cabin while Walt moves purposefully towards his own death.Quote:
Originally Posted by jtran10
Hubris /ˈhjuːbrɪs/, also hybris, from ancient Greek ὕβρις, means extreme pride or arrogance. Hubris often indicates a loss of contact with reality and an overestimation of one's own competence, accomplishments or capabilities, especially when the person exhibiting it is in a position of power.
Man, I hope you're working at something where you're using your talent. It'd be a shame if you're doing something like bumping chairs or working in a carwash...in Albuquerque.Quote:
Originally Posted by neckdeep
What IS this Breaking Bad????
TV???? T fucking V?????? Gaahhhhhh.
That boob-tube box that sucks brains and energy like some corded zombie box??? Both in equal rations??
AKR - go to deckdeep's last post and read the definition of hubris. Then please do everybody who has even the most minuscule contact with you a big favor and kill yourself.
I'm sure back in the day there were attention starved douchebags saying "Shakespeare? What is Macbeth? Theatre?? Thea-fucking-tre? EVERYBODY LOOK HOW COOL I AM!!! Gaaaahh!"
Hopefully they killed themselves as well.
...and I do have one point of contention with neck deep: that cabin in New Hampshire was pretty rad and not crapass at all!
I've started to notice people that rag on TV or without TVs are the new vegans. I've also noticed when you run into one of these TVegans they love to gloat on how they don't watch or own a TV but more often then not you'll get out of them that they watch good shows on an iPad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jer
AKR go fuck yourself as always. There's good TV and bad TV. A lot is bad but there's also a ton of good. To say all TV is zombie inducing is a fucking retarded statement.
Hey - let's not start ripping on vegans you murdering clogged colon cocksucker!
Oops forgot. HahaQuote:
Originally Posted by Jer
shit , now I have to go back and rewatch granite state
Is this the part where AK Rover tells us about a great new skier like Mark Abma?
Bump for awesomeness of this show. Going through it again and just watched half measure and full measure, the last two episodes of the third season - such great stuff even second time around. It is great to watch WW become Heisenberg after knowing how the whole arc of his story went.
Bump for the alternate ending:
http://mashable.com/2013/11/17/break...ernate-ending/
"I watched Jane die"
Rewatching now. Just doesn't seem like it was wholly his decision to allow Jane to die. At first, he rushes over to aid, then decides to not touch her. Then sad and then hardens up into Hisenberg. I dunno, it just doesn't sit right. Seems to me that he decides that there is nothing he can actually do to help and he is better off not involving himself. WW realizes what happened and is sad. Then he thinks more and Hisenberg realizes that this unfortunate incident (which he had no control over) is going to work to his advantage.
He's still a cold hearted bastard for quickly coming to think of advantage over the death of someone who is mostly innocent, but was there anything he could actually do, that he would have if it were Jessie (or Sky, etc, someone he loves) in the same position? Would it be as simple as flipping her on her side (the position she tells Jessie to remain in a couple eps back) when she was choking or doing CPR (as Walt knows and attempted on Tuco's thug) after she stopped breathing? Or was the case that he needed an adrenaline syringe as in Pulp Fiction/ other specialized stuff to resuscitate, and he knew that and therefore knew it was too late to do anything without having the materials on hand?
He probably could have just flipped her over. That said, Aaron Paul was on fresh air a couple years ago and said Jane dying probably saved Jessie's life. If she lives they are sitting on a huge pile of cash and a raging drug problem. That situation likely doesn't end well.
The real Walter White
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkB9VJdu27M