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I’m pretty happy with the Sienna. It’s a ‘22 AWD hybrid in a lower trim level. I’m getting about 34 mpg average- maybe 32 or 33 in winter. As I said below, the only things I would do differently is I would go for the factory hitch and skip the factory rack. Like all factory racks, it’s mounted too far back on the roof. I think I’d be better off with a Thule, Yakima or Perrycraft track system mounted as far forward as possible.
^^^ Yeah, I mounted the crossbars as far forward on the rails as I could get it.
Check with your local Toyota dealer. My son (lives in SYR) says they will add a factory hitch for under $300 to his brand new XLE.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brownski
Yep, most hitches are dealer installed, so it shouldn't be a big deal to do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MyNameIsAugustWest
I got different info from my dealership. I wouldn’t be surprised if they had their head up their ass thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by MyNameIsAugustWest
Please remind me of the model year where the Toyota Sienna changed their middle row so that they couldn’t easily be removed? Has anybody here done the hack to make the more recent version middle row removable? How difficult is it to remove and reinstall those seats? When did the awd start coming again (heh!) with a spare?
Our fwd 2006 sienna has under 170k miles, but continues to show heavy wear from our car abusive mountain rural lifestyle. The driver door really wants to fall off, one of the sliding doors (the one that used to be automatic) occasionally doesn’t want to open from the inside, and the steering rack really wants to be replaced.
Not considering the payments, we really like the awd hybrid. But, on our current van, we use it both as a cargo van and a people hauler relatively often. In the past 3 months, I’ve used it as a cargo van (front seats only) for hauling 5 times. Each of those instances, removing the middle row was required to fit the stuff.
Gen 4 (2021+) is when middle rows are not removable without significant work. Which is also the hybrid and AWD with spare
Gen 3 has middle rows are removable, though the trolleys remain. This makes it less ideal as a flat floor but isn't a significant issue for using it in cargo mold.
Thanks!!
Gen 4 (2021+) is when middle rows are not removable without significant work. Which is also the hybrid and AWD with spare
Gen 3 has middle rows are removable, though the trolleys remain. This makes it less ideal as a flat floor but isn't a significant issue for using it in cargo mold.
What I read was the side curtain airbags in the Gen4 Sienna are in the seats themselves and therefore cannot be removed. I'm sure someone with the proper knowhow and tools could do it but it's not a task I would try to handle.
There’s a YouTube,(or 4), about it. Too bad. My Honda Odyssey probably spent 75% of its time with only the two front seats in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MyNameIsAugustWest
The rails that remain seem like a bit of a pita. Are the rails the same for the gen3? Do the middle row seats if the gen3 and gen4 trundle forward to open up space w/o removal? And any company doing pop top conversation?
The middle seats fold and slide pretty far up against the front seats. I have found this to be sufficient for my purposes. I can even sleep back there since I’m not too tall. There’s a company called GTRV that does pop tops…Quote:
Originally Posted by bodywhomper
https://gtrv.com/
https://gtrv.com/faq-s/
I wish my Caravan wasn't such a POS, I'd love to make it a pop top.
When ya finally put it up on blocks you can build a permanent top outta plywood, no need for a pop top.Quote:
Originally Posted by gravitylover
Hahaha
Sent 2 Grand Caravans back to Chrysler under 2 different states' Lemon Laws in the 90s. Never again.
Now torn between an Odyssey or another NART Ridgeline. The newer RLs have a much better transmission. Ima test drive one tomorrow to see if the electronics have gotten any better than the POS 2019 I currently have. It was my wife's car but she doesn't drive any more. I got used to having a truck bed and I don't haul anything heavy or tow for that matter. I tow my sail boat about 150 yards in the spring and another 150 yards in the fall and the boat + trailer weigh less than 1,000 lbs.
Odyssey if you're road tripping with a family at all. That thing rules for eating up miles.Quote:
Originally Posted by MyNameIsAugustWest
My sister and bro in law's garage is Odyssey + Ford Maverick (well, that and a farm truck cause they live on a small farm.) So much utility between those two cars.
Thank youQuote:
Originally Posted by Brownski
Ford apparently showed dealers plans for a van based on the Maverick platform. One of my friends is a GM of the local dealership and got to see it. He said what was show was in cargo configuration, but that it had the cut outs for windows, so he wouldn't be surprised if it came with a passenger version too. I'm hoping. I like the hybrid Siennas, but I think they're optimized as passenger haulers (which is their main purpose of course). For all my gripes with my Transit Connect, I don't think there is a better mid-sized vehicle for hauling gear around shape-wise than a small boxy van. My van has more cargo space than the Sienna despite being over a foot shorter. Toss a few mountain bikes in the back wheels. Pack ridiculous amounts of camping gear. Maybe a small kayak. And still have a reasonably sized vehicle around town (the current Transit Connect is shorter than an Outback).
So, I'm really hoping they make a passenger version of the small van with a hybrid/AWD similar to the Maverick's system. I think it could basically be a supersized Element and really be a hit with outdoor folks. But I admit that I have somewhat unique vehicle tastes that don't always correspond to broader market trends, so we will see!
I’m in sticker shock for new or lightly used sienna’s.
If they take the production out of Turkey I'd consider it. I really like the Transit Connect and that was my first choice when I got my current POS, it just needs to be made somewhere else. If it was a hybrid with AWD I'd do stupid things to get one.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarcusBrody
Yeap, the idea is that it will be moved onto the C2 platform and be produced in North America in the factories geared up for similar models (Mavericks are currently produced in Hermosillo, MX). The most recent generation of Transit Connects were made in Valencia, Spain, but they had to do all the weird import as passenger then convert to cargo to avoid the chicken tax, so this is supposedly going to be made in a NAFTA country plant to avoid that.Quote:
Originally Posted by gravitylover
But I'm with you. A hybrid, AWD little van is my ideal vehicle.
I need as close to 8' inside as I can get and a flat floor is important. I rarely need more than one seat in the back so they need to be easily removable. A 4' high rear door opening is important, I hate having to take the front wheel off bikes to put them inside.