If only there was something we could do...

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Originally Posted by Meadow Skipper

He’s not interested in listening or learning or solving anything. A ways upthread he allowed as how he wasn’t at all interested in compromise, he’s trying to bully everyone into his POV.

And speaking of everyone, I’ve noticed no one here - no one at all, from respected long-time mags to m-series jong trolls - has agreed with him or supported his ideas. It reminds me of an old Lithuanian saying my wife once told me: When ten sober people tell you you’re drunk, it’s time to lie down.

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The only compromise youre interested in is gun owners giving up their rights.

i'm very interested in discussing possible ways to improve these problems that aren't just me compromising. if its only one side compromising thats not a compromise.

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Originally Posted by exsparky

Those are just loop hole guns made in the last 10 years barely skinning the rules by design. People like to find loop holes and always will.




Ted stop talking, do something.

I knew Alexa Bartell, I'm not sure how to stop rocks or bad people.

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Actually they're specifically granted approval by the ATF.

If you don't like the ATFs behavior and find it inconsistent then your gripe in that regard is with the ATF.

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Originally Posted by leroy jenkins

Ya but its typically a pretty good indication someone won't keep attempting suicide. Besides, to the back of the head, and he had announced publicly he was not a suicide risk. But ok, you do you. CIA history on mk ultra various documented false flag attacks and a bunch of other shit is totally real but I'm sure they've stopped all that.

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Hypomanically credulous and cynical is no way to go thru life son

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Originally Posted by Tap

Yeah, we’re still waiting for a “good guy with a gun” to stop one of these massacres. What a bullshit rationale.

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You can argue it doesn't happen enough to justify gun ownership, but it absolutely happens. Heres the first google result. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62217263

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Originally Posted by ::: :::

Hypomanically credulous and cynical is no way to go thru life son

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He declared himself as not a suicide risk.

Thats not cynical. Theres plenty of room between cynical and head in the sand willfully naive but you do you.

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Originally Posted by byates1

There is no answer. There is nothing to be done. The amount of ppl I run into in complete despair is growing on the daily. I'm amazed more ppl aren't going ballistic.

The solution for you is to distance yourself from any of it as best you can.

Hope that cheers you up.

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Pretty much this

But instead of looking inward to see how they can wake up each day and do and be their best they look for an excuse and use someone else to blame for their own struggles

The amount of despair in this country is overwhelming

The amount of people who have given up is even bigger

Lashing out at others is an excuse to get even

The internet and social media stokes the emptiness most people have inside

Taking a walk around the block and unplugging the internet would do many people wonders

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Originally Posted by leroy jenkins

i'm saying no matter how anti gun or pro authority you are, looking at other variables that can improve this situation serves EVERYONE.

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Why not look at both?


Reducing access to particularly capable firearms seems like a REALLY low cost, quick and immediately impactful method to reduce gun violence. Why not take that first step, not as a prerequisite to, but while we figure out how to address and fix the much harder societal ills that lead to gun violence (mental health, poverty, education, generational trauma, etc.)


I mean, i would rather disarm the nutjob and then get him some therapy. But you seem to be arguing to keep the nutjob armed to the teeth while getting him therapy. Thats pretty dumb, IMO.

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Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn

Now you’re nerding out. I know the differences but they’re all semi automatic weapons built for the same purpose, if you disregard the SKS, they all have pistol grips, detachable high capacity magazines, and flash suppressors. Most Americans that aren’t gun nerds consider them assault rifles like it or not.


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Total nerd.

SKS is an interesting example. Battle rifle or assault rifle? It's got battle features but an assault cartridge. Definitely part of the evolution from one to the other. And it is ban friendly with a 10 round non-detachable capacity out of the box.

What about the original Springfield M1A1? It's really an M14. Battle rifle, not "assault rifle". From back when riflemen were marksmen. Semi-auto. No pistol grip. Long ass barrel. Definitely not an AR. Same role as the even better FAL battle rifle. But with a pistol grip unless you bought one of those inch pattern Century Arms "Sporter" ones in the 90s with the thumbhole stock. The FAL was the right arm of the free world according to the marketing hype. Still definitely not an AR.

For the record, I'm in favor of registration and restriction of these weapons of war as has been suggested up-thread, not total bans. I have realized as I have gotten older that unfettered access is retarted. With great power, comes great responsibility, or something like that. NFA would be fine with me for these if they improved the ATF a little and removed Sheriff from acceptable LEO list, transfer that to the State Police, with funding.

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Originally Posted by californiagrown

Why not look at both?


Reducing access to particularly capable firearms seems like a REALLY low cost, quick and immediately impactful method to reduce gun violence. Why not take that first step, not as a prerequisite to, but while we figure out how to address and fix the much harder societal ills that lead to gun violence (mental health, poverty, education, generational trauma, etc.)


I mean, i would rather disarm the nutjob and then get him some therapy. But you seem to be arguing to keep the nutjob armed to the teeth while getting him therapy. Thats pretty dumb, IMO.

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But muh freedumds.....

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The gunman who killed eight people at an outlet mall in suburban Dallas on Saturday briefly received military training but was discharged from the U.S. Army over a mental health condition after just three months of service, the Army said Monday.

Mauricio Garcia, 33, joined the Army in June 2008 but was “terminated” three months later, failing to complete his initial training, said Heather J. Hagan, an Army spokesperson.

Garcia was separated for an unspecified mental health issue, according to another Army official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity due to the sensitive nature of personnel records.

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Originally Posted by byates1

There is no answer. There is nothing to be done. The amount of ppl I run into in complete despair is growing on the daily. I'm amazed more ppl aren't going ballistic.

The solution for you is to distance yourself from any of it as best you can.

Hope that cheers you up.

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Boiled Frog

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Originally Posted by fastfred

Pretty much this

But instead of looking inward to see how they can wake up each day and do and be their best they look for an excuse and use someone else to blame for their own struggles

The amount of despair in this country is overwhelming

The amount of people who have given up is even bigger

Lashing out at others is an excuse to get even

The internet and social media stokes the emptiness most people have inside

Taking a walk around the block and unplugging the internet would do many people wonders

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Fred’s most cogent post ever


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Originally Posted by Bunion 2020

But muh freedumds.....



Boiled Frog

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This is the gunman:

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MTG assures us that the gunman can’t have been a white supremacist though, since he has a Latino sounding name.

that shit is all over the rwosphere. regardless, a real peach, i’m sure.

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Originally Posted by J. Barron DeJong

This is the gunman:

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MTG assures us that the gunman can’t have been a white supremacist though, since he has a Latino sounding name.

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After the Boston marathon bombing I said the only way to stop this is someone around the person knowing they were going off the rails. Same w this lunatic.

If ppl know there is someone in their sphere like this, fucking have them looked at.

Long time ago a dude in an adjacent apartment was a gun freak. Talked about it at work, brought a gun to work to show it to a coworker, someone called him in.

Staties came right to his house and took everything the same day.

It's an impossible problem.

bla bla bla its muh rawts bla bla bla.. It actually wasn't supposed to be that way. Hellier was egregiously ruled incorrectly... as was Citizen's United.

Neither The 2nd Amendment nor the 4th article it came from were ever intended/written to guarantee individual, unfettered weapons access to ordinary citizens.. It wasn't so buba could fight gubberment oppression him/herself. It was all about the feds' need to mobilize militias for NATIONAL defense..

Here's leroy altasnob trying to argue that it is about his freedumbs..and totally getting schooled by a legit historian.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC9XpXQM27M

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Originally Posted by ex-powderbroker

that shit is all over the rwosphere. regardless, a real peach, i’m sure.

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Not sure if you’re implying that that isn’t the shooter. Even if that’s the case, the image and text is from his account, so seems like a good indicator of his political persuasions.

no, i am not implying that. i am saying if you read the comments in the ny post or fox news there will be conspiracy theories about the unlikelihood of dems finding a spanish named person to pin crimes on. it’s quite insane.

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Originally Posted by J. Barron DeJong

Not sure if you’re implying that that isn’t the shooter. Even if that’s the case, the image and text is from his account, so seems like a good indicator of his political persuasions.

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I dont know anyone sane who would have wanted that guy armed to the teeth. Yet, i know plenty of people dead-set against redflag gun laws.

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Originally Posted by fastfred

Touch grass.

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Fifu

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Originally Posted by byates1

After the Boston marathon bombing I said the only way to stop this is someone around the person knowing they were going off the rails. Same w this lunatic.

If ppl know there is someone in their sphere like this, fucking have them looked at.

Long time ago a dude in an adjacent apartment was a gun freak. Talked about it at work, brought a gun to work to show it to a coworker, someone called him in.

Staties came right to his house and took everything the same day.

It's an impossible problem.

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it’s not impossible. if you weren’t sane enough to serve, no guns. robust background checks for criminal history and mental health. insurance. no person to person sales. yearly training. spot checks by authorities for storage etc.

genie is out of the bottle so there will never be no gun deaths but it can be way less like in every. other. country.

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Originally Posted by ex-powderbroker

no, i am not implying that. i am saying if you read the comments in the ny post or fox news there will be conspiracy theories about the unlikelihood of dems finding a spanish named person to pin crimes on. it’s quite insane.

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Ahh.

Nick Fuentes and Enrique Tarrio also exist, and they seem pretty outspoken about their views, so this shouldn’t come as a complete surprise to people on the right.

The pics of the dead shooter look like a fat guy, not the thin nazi in the pic...

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Originally Posted by leroy jenkins

That wasn't insulting anyone. i didn't say those things ABOUT anyone. i'm saying no matter how anti gun or pro authority you are, looking at other variables that can improve this situation serves EVERYONE. its the same thing I say to very conservative people in gun forums, no matter how pro freedom you are, talking about how to improve the other variables that are causing this serves EVERYONE. But both sides think they need to just be as extremely polarized as possible, afraid even considering nuance will lead to them losing the culture war or something.

The statements I did make directed towards people in this thread are objectively true. None of you want to talk about any other variables besides guns. You don't want to solve or improve problems you want a simplistic place to just blame guns and gun owners irrespective of the complexity of the actual causal variables driving this in our society. Thats not an insult its objectively true. Its also not a monolith. None of you are proving me wrong. its an accurate observation.

Someone says 'the same people that...' but they themselves, nor any of the rest of you, have any interest in discussing anything but your dislike of gun owners. You don't want solutions you want to create as simplified of a narrative as possible to cope with the complexity of reality by just blaming those who aren't like you. This is evidenced by behavior. its not an assumption its an accurate observation.

I would love to be proven wrong and come back to this thread and see a discussion in terms of as many solutions as possible, and not just blame for guns.

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You don't listen.

This has all been discussed. Almost every poster here would support policies aimed at holistic ways to tackle this problem. Most of them probably vote for politicians and policies that are aimed at addressing many, many of the tangential issues.

People killed by guns have certainly had their rights violated.

9 people shot over 8 hrs in St Louis this last weekend.

Banning AR’s alone, won’t stop any of that.

But this is also the same city where prosecutors fail
To appear and criminals walk free.

We have to do better in so many regards.

IF AR/AK style rifles are banned they'll just be buying more of the kits to covert a semi auto pistol to an AR style weapon... Butt stock attachments, bigger magazines, instant AR from a Glock.. Ya the projectiles aren't as wicked but you can still take out a shitload of shoppers or students with 9mm and 40 cal...

Sung to the tune of "One Piece at a Time" by J Cash

We'll take'em one gun at a time
One gun at a time
it won't cost us a dime
to stop all the sadness in this fine land


Saying one single action won't stop murders is a stupid rebuttal.

But it looks good on you.