Trucks.

Been through a few suspension iterations on my 2010 and can lend an opinion.

Recommend keeping lift minimal, else face the prospect of correcting caster angle, etc. It's not a serious offroad truck and never will be due to the size, so keep it to the "modestly capable" class and the reliability will sail you into the sunset.

Old Man Emu stuff is too stiff IMO. Their nitrocharger shocks are nice but valved too stiff unless you're loaded heavy. Same with their springs. Front coils are 740 lb/inch, which is too stiff even with a 3/16" steel bumper and winch. Rear leaf packs are ok but only have like 5 leaves, so not as supple as something like Deaver etc. I have the OME Dakar leaf packs still on my truck, which needs 400 pounds of sandbag in the bed to settle it 2 inches and keep it smooth... or a family load of camping gear, etc. So when used like a truck, those leaves are great, but overkill for daily driving. Recommend stock leaves, and supplement with bags/Timbrens for occasional overload. Could change just the shackles to tweak height in the rear. I have the OME greasable ones which seem ok.

Fave rear shocks are the Bilstein 6112 with the remote reservoir.

Fronts, Bilstein 5100 monotube with their 650 lb/inch coil. Mine are set at the 1.9 inch lift setting and that's a nice spot with 33"/34" tires.

Lockers would be overkill IMO. The ATRAC system works fkna awesome in the snow already.

Lastly, for any rough driving I'd recommend disconnecting or removing both the front and rear sway bars. The front end really smooths out when the sides are actually independent. Prob best to keep the bars on for highway driving though I usually leave mine off except for hauling my camper.

Good find, hope you love the truck.

Lifting is going to make towing a 6k trailer much worse. I'd maybe level it at most, but if it were my rig I probably wouldn't touch the suspension.

I have a Bilstein 6112/5100 lift with an extra leaf in the rear and airbags. 2009 Tundra Rock Warrior. 1200 lb camper. When I take the camper off, it is a rough ride. With it on, it rides great considering. Towing? Sure. It'd be fine, get some mud flaps.
I will say, it pays off being able to get a little further into the woods than the sprinter and Subaro folks.

This is gonna be a long one but should be helpful. I have a 2012 Tundra. Bought it stock, and upgraded as needed. It's mainly used for Tahoe blizzards, desert trips, Eastside approach roads, and hauling firewood or other shit in the bed. I rarely tow with it.

In stock form, the first thing to go was the front bumper. Smashed it into rocks first time I took it on a 4wd road. Put a high clearance minimalist bumper on. The stock leafs were super soft, nice when empty but did not handle weight well. Granted it had 80k on it but a load of dry pine to the top of the bedrails would put it on the bumpstops. I also put on aluminum skid plates from the engine to the transfer case and got rid of the front swaybar (mine didnt have a rear swaybar). I eventually got Fox factory 2.5 coilovers, bilstein 5100 rears, and Deaver U748 leafs, all of which were way better than stock

In its current and probably final form, the truck has front and rear DSC Fox 2.5s tuned from accutune offroad, Deaver U748 leaf packs with aftermarket shackles, greasable Camburg upper a arms and wheelers superbumps. It's impressive how hard you can push it on rough roads. I was 30 seconds faster over a 2.5 mile test loop with the tuned fox's all around vs off the shelf factory 2.5s and bilstein 5100s. That routes a mix of 4Hi sand climbing, some sand whoops, and rocky shitty hardpack 2wd desert road.

The Deavers handle weight well- I can load the bed with oak firewood-but are 4" of lift over the old stock leafs with an empty bed. I generally have about 200 pounds in the bed between recovery equipment, tire chains and a bed mat, which lowers it to about 3" lift. The front coils are set at 2.75 over stock, so there's some rake. I had planned on getting a rear locker but like norseman said the ATrac works surprisingly well once you get used to it. It'd be nice to have for sure tho.

Besides cost, which is a lot but something I planned for when buying the truck, downsides to what I've done would be:

Worsens already bad fuel economy

There's some yaw sensor or something in the chassis that can get thrown out of whack with a lift and activate stability or traction control sooner than necessary. I have to be taking tight off camber turns pretty fast for it to happen. I've only noticed it on paved roads, on dirt roads I turn off stability and traction control and probably don't have enough grip to upset the sensor anyway. Supposedly dealers can reset it after a lift I just haven't gotten around to it.

Im sure you know this but if you put all this capable stuff on and then use that capability, there's gonna be some squeaks and rattles, and it's never going to be good at techy crawling. It is reliable and capable of doing a lot comfortably, from icy roads in the dark to remote desert exploring to going 85 plus for hours on end.

Do it but add sway bars with quick releases. Good stiff sway bars make a world of difference daily driving.

This high rig corners really well with its sway bars. Pop em off for the trails. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...59e54bb3b9.jpg

FJ62 FTW!

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"" Anyone here driving a gen 4 Tacoma? My F150 is getting long in the tooth and I'm thinking about a new rig. After owning a full size for over a decade I wouldn't mind something a little smaller. It would be my daily and would probably get an OVRLND camper set up but I WFH and we use the wife's Rav4 for car stuff. I'm kind of ready to move on from "dumb Ford things" as I call them and used Toyota prices are rough. If I'm being honest I think the Tundra is kinda ugly, and I'd like a double cab which are damn hard to find. ""

I recently traded a new in 2019 4 dr Tacoma for a new in 2024 double cab Tundra, I had to get Toytoa to make me a double cab TRD in the lowest trim level ( it took 3 months) but it was worth the wait I thot Tacoma was a no brainer BUT things i really didnt like is how the gear box drops 2 gears engine screams on the highway when hitting hills/ I didnt like how it carved turns/ It cost twice as much as the Ranger it repalced but it wasnt twice as good/ IME there is not that much room in a mid sized truck

Tundra was another 20K but it takes hills way better/ handles way better no notchy carving turns / more room , the milage is maybe 3 mpg less but its got ass loads of power put it in cruise and it just lopes along at < 2000 rpm I really like drivivng it SO make sure you do a good test drive to make sure you really want a Tacoma, I didnt test drive Tacoma enough but I sure test drove the shit out of Tundra on every type of road i could find

edit: No shortage of people adding a lift to trucks on dedicated user forms but I notice the Tundra has SO many sensors a lift might fuck with them I just got the TRD package and call er good no problem there

You can get an OEM TRD pro lift kit for Toyota trucks, I think it is Bilstein. . That is the only officially sanctioned way that the sensors can be recalibrated for say LDWS. Also, IMHO, if you are gonna lift it anyway, ski the TRD pro and just get a OR.

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Yeah. Lost me too.

All my friends w Tundras or Tacos replicated or exceeded the TRD lift components w aftermarket stuff at a much lower price. The TRD components aren't exactly holy. No sensor issues that I've heard of .

I'm ready to be laughed out of the room here

but are there any viable alternatives to tacos?

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Used or new? A buddy of mine has a Nissan Frontier from ten years or so ago that I’d put up against a taco. Not sure about the new ones tho

some kind of midisze truck I am sure GM and Ram have them but if i go to the bike area I see a whole lot of tacos like 4 out 6 vehiclas were Taco

I am just saying if you think you want a taco make sure you really want a taco

for the TacoI just got a base sr5 4x4 off the lot but for Tundra i ordered the TRD package

The Ranger, Colorado, and Frontier are all viable.

The way I’d play it - If you have the budget and desire for a new vehicle; Tacoma. If you’re going used you can get into lower mileage / newer alternative for the same cash.


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Anyway, bought a 2025 Lexus GX550 that I’m loving. Drinks to go juice pretty well tho.

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I keep seeing people talk about how disappointed they are with their new Taco... I&#39;m not a Nissan fan but the Frontier rarely has negative reviews other than it&#39;s not as &quot;modern&quot; as other options.

I like the new ZR2's. Bison spec preferably. Think it is still cheaper than a TRD Pro taco.

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Yeah. Lost me too. All my friends w Tundras or Tacos replicated or exceeded the TRD lift components w aftermarket stuff at a much lower price. The TRD components aren&#39;t exactly holy. No sensor issues that I&#39;ve heard of .

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I&#39;m just saying that the non-OEM lift can affect the LDWS (Land Departure Warning System) functionality. Most people turn this feature off, so it isn&#39;t that big of a deal to them anyway. But if someone really intent on keeping the LDWS working correctly, they will want to get the TRD OEM lift kit, which enables the system to be recalibrated to the new lift. Also, when your windshield is changed, it needs to be recalibrated, which can cause issues for someone with a non-oem lift. Some companies won&#39;t do it, others will just have you sign a waiver.

Art, you can use https://postimages.org/ or similar and then paste the URL in here with [img] [/img] around it. Not saying it is ideal but preferable to fucking around with tapatalk.

Fro, ironically, the image you posted doesn’t show up for me.

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