Coronavirus complaint/commiseration thread.

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Originally Posted by RootSkier

edit: Jeez, Mustonen, brutal. I feel bad about posting shit like this ^^^ when I know real people are struggling with MUCH bigger problems.

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Well, sure, and by the same token I have plenty to eat and can afford barrel aged craft beer and don’t have any particular risk to ongoing employment with plenty of opportunity and everybody is healthy and generally happy and while I miss my kids terribly my girlfriend is fantastic and I don’t lack for companionship.

So.... yeah. That’s why we have threads for whining.

K3 is still serving? I bought 1/2 my bowl pass so I can look foreword to something. I just saw the 1st humming bird at the feeder. Vibes(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( Musty))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) )

I don't view it as whining (unless the person thinks they are whining). But this shit we're in creates some massive cognitive dissonance, where we are going through tough stuff while at the same time being grateful our stuff isn't tougher.

But even while we are grateful for all that we have and all that we do not have to deal with, we still have to allow ourselves the room to grieve what we and our loved ones have lost, to stress about the unknowns to come, etc. It's ok to be worried, it's ok to be sad about our now-sheltered lives and what our kids are having to deal with, it's ok to have all the feels. Just because someone has it worse doesn't mean that our own not-as-bad experiences are to be ignored or worse, exalted as "lucky".

It's easy for me to type that, much harder to live it. But I'm trying.

Hey Mustonen, I have asthma as does my father, so I was pretty concerned, but it would seem it probably isn't a risk factor:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/16/h...thma-risk.html

Good luck staying sane and good on you for taking the high ground.

If I don't get in the water to surf soon, I am going to go postal.

Hmmmm temperature 101.4, dry cough for 2 days, sore lung on left side 4 days, headache, some shortness of breath 2 days, loss of appetite.

I hav almost no contact with others as I am non weight bearing due to a tibial plateau fracture. Wife is a nurse at a local hospital, but no symptoms. Stepson is a captain on a small ferry. Neither has had any known contact with positive cases although there were a number at wife’s hospital. Another captain had a presumptive case n March, but no contact during time.

Thinking to let it ride another day and see if there is improvement.

I've been watching the Nathan Fletcher caught inside video a couple of times a day. Love the post session bliss.

Cat user name checks out ,get on the good foot.

Florence.

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Originally Posted by Mustonen

I have complaints. I haven't seen my kids in over a month.

I still work and go into the office a couple times/week. I basically stick to my office; most staff are working from home so it's pretty dead around here. My ex considers herself high risk, which... whatever, and also consider the kids high risk due to asthma. So when this started she told me she wasn't comfortable with maintaining the custody order. I told her I disagreed, so she told the kids that if they went to my house it might be five+ months before they were able to see her again or risk the coronavirus killing her, and that if they were exposed to the coronavirus it might be really really bad for them because they have asthma, but that because she doesn't go to work or anywhere else her house was the safest; and then she told them it was their decision.

For her part, she works in an essential industry too (call center, insurance) but refuses to go to work and is on short term disability and collecting unemployment for the foreseeable future (according to what the kids tell me). So when I do talk to my kids, they ask me why I have to keep going to work, why can't I just stay home so they can see me, etc. The things I want to say, such as "so your mom can have a nice house whether or not she goes to work" aren't really appropriate. I try to explain that working is still important, and we are fortunate that we don't have to worry about money through all of this, but the framing that I "choose" to go to work and therefore "choose" not to see them is hard to escape.

So that's been fun, and was the status quo, with a small blip when my ex's employer offered to pay her time and a half to come back. She talked about that with the kids and that apparently was worth the risk. So she went in for a few hours but had a panic attack and came back home. I try to avoid value judgments with all that, such as that her time and a half is still a fraction of my normal salary or that my ability to socially distance at my work far exceeds her ability to do the same at her work.

At least she has nothing going on, and is best positioned to run homeschool for them. Except she sleeps in until afternoon and tells them the stuff they're learning in math (quadratic equations, 7th grade algebra, etc.) is stupid and they'll never need it and she can't really help them. My oldest wants to be an engineer, for chrissake. They do fun activities, like bleach the whole house every day or two, whether or not they've gone anywhere recently.

For the time being, the courts aren't really open for this kind of business, so I don't have a lot of great options.

Yeah, this sucks... Catching up on lots of TV, though, so.... cool.

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That sucks and not having any way to fix the situation is a mess as well. My ex (pretty chill once we weren't married/getting divorced) and I figured it out after a while and it seems to be working but it's a shitty situation and I went a month without seeing my daughter. My partner's kid has asthma and she's worried about what will happen going forward. I've shown her the article above about asthma and Covid but didn't push the issue. Hang in there and I hope you get to see your kids soon.

RIP KH Northside. That place was great and an easy stop on the way down to Lost Horse. I'm glad it was doesn't seem like it was entirely Covid related and your local businesses can hang in there.

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Originally Posted by RootSkier

This is from the first post in this thread over a month ago now and now it has started.

Today, one of the breweries in town, the Kettlehouse, announced it is permanently closing its Northside taproom (it has two). I am dedicated partisan of the Southside taproom but this makes me sad as hell, and while there may be extenuating circumstances (this one's production facilities were rendered sort of obsolete by the construction of a bigger, dedicated brewing facility for canning), it is still the first huge loss here in Missoula, and it really was a beacon of light in an area of town that desperately needed it.

I am extremely worried about what else will not survive.

RIP Khole North:

https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net...ed&oe=5ED06DAD

edit: Jeez, Mustonen, brutal. I feel bad about posting shit like this ^^^ when I know real people are struggling with MUCH bigger problems.

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But there's still Eddie's Club???

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Originally Posted by Mustonen

I have complaints. I haven't seen my kids in over a month.

I still work and go into the office a couple times/week. I basically stick to my office; most staff are working from home so it's pretty dead around here. My ex considers herself high risk, which... whatever, and also consider the kids high risk due to asthma. So when this started she told me she wasn't comfortable with maintaining the custody order. I told her I disagreed, so she told the kids that if they went to my house it might be five+ months before they were able to see her again or risk the coronavirus killing her, and that if they were exposed to the coronavirus it might be really really bad for them because they have asthma, but that because she doesn't go to work or anywhere else her house was the safest; and then she told them it was their decision.

For her part, she works in an essential industry too (call center, insurance) but refuses to go to work and is on short term disability and collecting unemployment for the foreseeable future (according to what the kids tell me). So when I do talk to my kids, they ask me why I have to keep going to work, why can't I just stay home so they can see me, etc. The things I want to say, such as "so your mom can have a nice house whether or not she goes to work" aren't really appropriate. I try to explain that working is still important, and we are fortunate that we don't have to worry about money through all of this, but the framing that I "choose" to go to work and therefore "choose" not to see them is hard to escape.

So that's been fun, and was the status quo, with a small blip when my ex's employer offered to pay her time and a half to come back. She talked about that with the kids and that apparently was worth the risk. So she went in for a few hours but had a panic attack and came back home. I try to avoid value judgments with all that, such as that her time and a half is still a fraction of my normal salary or that my ability to socially distance at my work far exceeds her ability to do the same at her work.

At least she has nothing going on, and is best positioned to run homeschool for them. Except she sleeps in until afternoon and tells them the stuff they're learning in math (quadratic equations, 7th grade algebra, etc.) is stupid and they'll never need it and she can't really help them. My oldest wants to be an engineer, for chrissake. They do fun activities, like bleach the whole house every day or two, whether or not they've gone anywhere recently.

For the time being, the courts aren't really open for this kind of business, so I don't have a lot of great options.

Yeah, this sucks... Catching up on lots of TV, though, so.... cool.

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Fuck bro. Stay strong that sounds horrible. Vibes for sure. Makes my 20% 3 month pay cut look like a fucking lottery win. I'm super sorry you have to deal with this.

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Damn Mustonen, that's rough. I'm new to the whole co-parenting thing and can picture my soon-to-be-ex-wife pulling some shit like that. Seems like you are taking it in stride so kudos to you for staying calm and collected.

On a related note, trying to mediate / negotiate a divorce with all of this shit going on is really hard. So much up in the air, like home values, etc.

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Originally Posted by TahoeJ

Damn Mustonen, that's rough. I'm new to the whole co-parenting thing and can picture my soon-to-be-ex-wife pulling some shit like that. Seems like you are taking it in stride so kudos to you for staying calm and collected.

On a related note, trying to mediate / negotiate a divorce with all of this shit going on is really hard. So much up in the air, like home values, etc.

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Sell fast. I know I know easy to say but short term? Looks bad...maybe rent it until things settle?

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I may be addicted to Doordash and livestreaming free concerts on Nugs. The local breweries now walk freshly canned craft beer out to my car and load it into the trunk for no extra charge and Chase gives me 3x points on my beers bought from breweries and 5x on doordash. If ever I can travel again Chase will pay for it. No reason at all to go inside even if I could and have people stare at me wondering what the fuck I am doing in Iowa. This wasn't possible before the covids.

I am beginning to worry about the quarantine ending and being forced back out into the world pretending I want to hang out with people. Ordering food from a waitress that hates me. Wandering aimlessly around grocery stores trying to find something I could have ordered online and had place in my trunk for free.

Is it scary or reassuring that the world will never go back to what it was?

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Originally Posted by Skidog

Sell fast. I know I know easy to say but short term? Looks bad...maybe rent it until things settle?

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Yeah, sadly I can’t just make that decision on my own and the crazy would have to agree to do so.

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New research from the University of Wisconsin-Madison suggests that contrary to government guidelines, asthma may not put a person at increased risk for severe COVID-19, but may, in fact, offer some protection against it.

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I showed this and the earlier NYT article to my kids and just told them it was interesting and maybe they didn’t need to be quite so panicked about COVID. They told me it was fake news.

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Originally Posted by Mustonen

They told me it was fake news.

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I love it. Wisdom from the mouth of babes

How is that possible? Only 4,633 people died in China. Where analysts say the origin of the virus in China.
Is China hiding their death toll?

Yes. Russia, too.

But, then again, we are, too.

Meanwhile, this is a long line of cars waiting to spend ten bucks to get into a local couple hundreds acre "preserve" in the middle of upper Westchester. I just biked by two big parking lots almost full. Beautiful 70 degree day, I understand, but, where were all these people before all this? Now, suddenly, the bourgeoisie has discovered the simple pleasures of walking in nature? I'll bet it's the first time 85% have been to the place. It looked like the Walking Dead. Everybody staggering around in fresh sneakers. Go home! This used to be a cool traffic free shortcut.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...a36ab1219f.jpg

Is that Ward Pound Ridge? That's the only public land that's not locked out for miles around. All of the Town of Lewisboro properties are blocked and everything else near Pound Ridge is too so unless you want to walk on streets that are close to regular traffic again it's the only game in town.

Did anyone else notice how Washington recorded its biggest spike in new cases in several weeks on Friday? That just happened to be 7 days after the ban on construction was lifted across the state. I'm sure there's no connection there. :rolleyes:

Pathological liars, Republican sycophants and charlatans: that's the construction industry in a nutshell. Inslee should have told those walking, breathing scourges on the planet who populate that field to sit on their fucking hands for another month like everyone else. What a fucking pussy he was for caving to the deplorables. I thought he was doing a commendable job and was putting public health above avarice, but kowtowing to construction was unforgivable and shows just how broken his ethical compass really is.

^^^ We never closed our Construction activities here. Still a low infection rate.

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Originally Posted by gravitylover

Is that Ward Pound Ridge? That's the only public land that's not locked out for miles around. All of the Town of Lewisboro properties are blocked and everything else near Pound Ridge is too so unless you want to walk on streets that are close to regular traffic again it's the only game in town.

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Yup. The ranger told me some drove two hours to get there. I didnt realize it was the only game in town.

I hike up on Pine mountain, and that's turning into a shitshow.

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Originally Posted by Bunion 2020

^^^ We never closed our Construction activities here. Still a low infection rate.

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And June 17 is the third Wednesday of that month this year. That statement is about as germane to my post as yours is.

Even as conservative as CA has been, most construction has been ongoing and we've had very few cases relatively speaking, especially up north. I think the warmer weather and people going out was probably the main cause to any increases.

The demographic distribution of cases here in WA indicates that it is spreading widely in the construction/landscaping industries.

Also, the complete lack of consideration for cleanliness, proper use of masks and social distancing that I observed out on most of the job sites I visited last week (including 5 guys carpooling to and from job sites together, sharing tools, etc) indicates to me that the industry can't handle the responsibility of working safely, and therefore should be shuttered again, at least until more rigorous guidelines are implemented and an enforcement mechanism is created.

Some places understand that you need to keep takers and users on a short leash:

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Strict rules governing construction sites designed to slow the spread of COVID-19 are being broken only three days into a public health order that allows the work, city of Aspen officials said.
“The most common violations are not wearing masks, not social distancing and carpooling,” City Engineer Trish Aragon said Wednesday.
Managers of construction sites are required to sign off on a 13-page site safety plan that details numerous measures for workers to employ.
Included in the rules are workers are not allowed to leave the site and visit grocery stores or area restaurants for take-out...

...Public health officials expect a spike in cases as a result, and are continuing to monitor cases at Aspen Valley Hospital in an effort to not overwhelm the health care system.
If there is a spike in cases, public health orders can be amended to curtail activity...

...Aragon said enforcement and monitoring are being conducted through the police department, as well as staff in the building and parking departments.
“Our most effective tool is shutting the site down,” she said of repeated violations.
Enforcement will occur in a three step process, beginning with a verbal warning.
The second measure is a corrective notice, which means that if an infraction is observed on a site that has received a verbal warning the general contractor has to submit an amendment to their safety plan within 48 hours.
If city staff does not receive an amendment within 48 hours, the site will be shut down for 14 days.
A third infraction leads to another 14-day shut down.

Aragon said it’s not just city staff watching construction sites, it’s also members of the public.
“We’ve got 2,000 inspectors out there,” she said.

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Full article, if anyone is interested. I didn't want to post a wall of text or a blind quote, so I split the difference.
https://www.aspentimes.com/news/local/city-of-aspen-to-crack-down-on-noncompliant-covid-19-construction-sites/

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Originally Posted by gravitylover

Is that Ward Pound Ridge? That's the only public land that's not locked out for miles around. All of the Town of Lewisboro properties are blocked and everything else near Pound Ridge is too so unless you want to walk on streets that are close to regular traffic again it's the only game in town.

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Good to know. I almost went out of my way yesterday to go by the Lewisboro Town Park just to see if it was open for parking. Going by the Pound Ridge town park, it was open. Mt. Lakes park is accessible.

Our local preserve has been over run the last few weeks by persons not normally disposed to hiking or other outdoor activities. The amount of trash they leave on the trails and in the parking lot is disgusting.

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Pathological liars, Republican sycophants and charlatans: that's the construction industry in a nutshell.

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And June 17 is the third Wednesday of that month this year. That statement is about as germane to my post as yours is.

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Pot meet kettle

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Also, the complete lack of consideration for cleanliness, proper use of masks and social distancing that I observed out on most of the job sites I visited last week (including 5 guys carpooling to and from job sites together, sharing tools, etc) indicates to me that the industry can't handle the responsibility of working safely, and therefore should be shuttered again, at least until more rigorous guidelines are implemented and an enforcement mechanism is created.

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More fodder for your snark but there are not enforcement mechanisms in place here, just an understanding that if things get out of hand, expect to be shut down and out of work. So far that has been enough. On one of my sites, 10 members of a single sub-contractor tested positive. That sub and his workers were sent home for 2 weeks. That got the message across loud and clear.

Be curious to know what your function VS mine. Let me know if you want to chat via PM.

Interesting to see how the numbers change after this weekend. Been flatlined here at 146 cases for like 8 or 9 days. I saw quite a few people "social distancing" aka playing cornhole and getting hammered in their yards with 8-10 friends/family yesterday. I'm sure I sound like some crotchety old man. Huge portion of my neighbors are still in their 20s. The idea of doing something mellow with roomates or SOs only on a sunny Satuday in May is out of the question at that age. I get it.

The other thought.......based purely on nothing but armchair mountain people tough guy science.....is that it blew through a huge portion of the population here already? Well before it was on anyone's radar and months before testing was available anywhere within 1000 miles.

Why is it that nearly everyone I know from all different types of jobs. Construction, banking, real estate, food service, etc were all really sick with the "craziest 3 week cold and dry cough they ever had" in Dec/Jan/Feb?

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Originally Posted by glademaster

Did anyone else notice how Washington recorded its biggest spike in new cases in several weeks on Friday? That just happened to be 7 days after the ban on construction was lifted across the state. I'm sure there's no connection there. :rolleyes:

Pathological liars, Republican sycophants and charlatans: that's the construction industry in a nutshell. Inslee should have told those walking, breathing scourges on the planet who populate that field to sit on their fucking hands for another month like everyone else. What a fucking pussy he was for caving to the deplorables. I thought he was doing a commendable job and was putting public health above avarice, but kowtowing to construction was unforgivable and shows just how broken his ethical compass really is.

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Originally Posted by Bunion 2020

^^^ We never closed our Construction activities here. Still a low infection rate.

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Like MT, OR & CA did not shut down commercial/residential construction during the current SAH orders. From what I can see, WA is just aligning its construction practices with the others in the Western States Alliance (or whatever they call the five state compact) like they said they would.

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Originally Posted by Whiteroom_Guardian

Why is it that nearly everyone I know from all different types of jobs. Construction, banking, real estate, food service, etc were all really sick with the "craziest 3 week cold and dry cough they ever had" in Dec/Jan/Feb?

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Look in the mirror, sounds to me like you are adjusting your dunce cap.

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Originally Posted by muted

Look in the mirror, sounds to me like you are adjusting your dunce cap.

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We thought we had it end of feb.

Wife got AB testing last week. Negative.

Oh well. Not every flu can be rat flu

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Originally Posted by muted

Look in the mirror, sounds to me like you are adjusting your dunce cap.

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Look, I understand that people get sick in the winter on a normal year. At the time I knew one person (a maggot...a well known maggot) who was actually tuned in and saw this shit coming. At the time NO ONE else around here had any idea this thing was gonna make it to the USA or even knew it existed. So these people weren't biased by the news etc and thinking they had "it". Yet, around this time so many people I know, myself included, had a strange non-cold/non-flu, sicker than they had been in 10-20+ years 3+ week chest centered illness.

Many of these people had been in contact with Europeans and other international travelers whose only trip to the USA possibly 6 months was to the intermountain west ski areas and their second/third/fourth homes in places like YC/Jackson/etc.

I would love an actual scientist/epidemiologist to explain to me how it is "impossible" that a highly contagious virus with a long incubation period was carried by international travelers from Europe/Asia directly to high end resort areas in the intermountain west in December.

Yeah, I don’t know. Maybe you’re right. It seems to me that if a community had it we’d have seen some fairly clear evidence of it in the local nursing home, if nowhere else.

I’d be more inclined to believe there was something behind these anecdotes if the same anecdotes included stories of nursing homes being ravaged at around the same time. And I haven’t seen that.

Just conjecturing to your conjecture.

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Originally Posted by Whiteroom_Guardian

Look, I understand that people get sick in the winter on a normal year. At the time I knew one person (a maggot...a well known maggot) who was actually tuned in and saw this shit coming. At the time NO ONE else around here had any idea this thing was gonna make it to the USA or even knew it existed. So these people weren't biased by the news etc and thinking they had "it". Yet, around this time so many people I know, myself included, had a strange non-cold/non-flu, sicker than they had been in 10-20+ years 3+ week chest centered illness.

Many of these people had been in contact with Europeans and other international travelers whose only trip to the USA possibly 6 months was to the intermountain west ski areas and their second/third/fourth homes in places like YC/Jackson/etc.

I would love an actual scientist/epidemiologist to explain to me how it is "impossible" that a highly contagious virus with a long incubation period was carried by international travelers from Europe/Asia directly to high end resort areas in the intermountain west in December.

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Ok, here we go. We live in the same town and interact with same demographic including the fact that I have close friends who work at the YC/BS. In my house at any one time we have my daughter and I and my partner and her three kids (the youngest has fucked up asthma). My partner had the same stuff you had including the duration and the three kids had the "flu," I believe two tested positive. My daughter and I didn't catch it. At my partners ex's house is his elderly (high risk) mother. Neither of them got it. I'm not saying you're wrong just that my sample of one family contradicts yours. My partner thinks the same as you.

Asymptomatic ?

not an epidemiologist or an oligist of any kind

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Asymptomatic ?

not an epidemiologist or an oligist of any kind

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Like I and my daughter are? Sure, I'll take it but I'll need more info before I'd say that it's plausible.