Interesting that you didn't go with 29s. That's the general consensus on this thread. I'm glad I followed this advice.Quote:
Originally Posted by dougfresh
I wonder if 29s are taller?
... Thom
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Interesting that you didn't go with 29s. That's the general consensus on this thread. I'm glad I followed this advice.Quote:
Originally Posted by dougfresh
I wonder if 29s are taller?
... Thom
It’s not the consensus.Quote:
Originally Posted by galibier_numero_un
26 tour wrap fits great in a 26 boot.
I’d match shell to liner size.
They ski great in the boot.
Mystery solved... I skied the ZeroG's today in 25 degree weather, (ice crusted powder) with the stock Tecnica liner w/ laces laced up and had absolutely no issues with cold air seeping in the cuff. Essentially, the Intuition liners didn't fit right quite right and was creating some sort of gap around the cuff. It's possible if I continued skiing with the Intuition liners, they would eventually form a better seal with the Zero G boots. But overall, I think the stock liner skis better and fits better overall (heal, around foot, and cuff). A brand new Intuition Pro Tour liner might be alright and be warmer around the toes, but my Pro Tour liner had a number of years in my old Dynafit Mercury boots. The stock Dynafit Mercury liner was bad, when compared to the Pro Tour liner and just figured the stock liner in the ZeroG's wouldn't be all that great (my bad).
Unfortunately, I should have tried the stock liner first before buying the Tour Wrap liner, as I'm not a fan of the Tour Wrap as it's short, kind of a pain to get in and out of... as well as not being a great fit in the Zero G's. As for sizing, from what I read... Intution recommends sizing up for the Pro Tours, and keeping the Tour Wraps the same size as the Boot... I don't think I would want to size up the Tour Wraps. Hope that helps, and saves someone else from spending $200 on Tour Wraps.
Counter point, I find the tour wraps fits brilliantly in the zero g. Getting on is annoying though. I put the liner on first and tighten laces then slip in. Quite easy that way. Length is fine if you mold with toe cap and extra sports sock toe. No voids between shell and liner.Quote:
Originally Posted by dougfresh
Intuition size recommendations can be misleading. Particularly when brands like scarpa break on the half size.
Agreed... I could actually see going with a 28 Pro Tour liner in the 28 Zero G, as my 29 Pro Tour liner seems a bit scrunched length wise for some reason (but that could be from being a bit scrunched up in my Dynafit Mercury boots. Either way, for me and my fit, it wasn't worth putting Intution's into the Zero G boot. Everyone is different though, so results may vary.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaliBrit
Anyone had significant time with a tecton or kingpin heel and this boot? How does the plastic hold up?
I haven't skied the Z-Gs on anything but a pin heel, but perhaps this benchtop observation will provide a data point.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaliBrit
My OG XT 130 Freetour heels are much more fragile than my Z-Gs when clicking into Warden heels on the workbench.
On the hill, the Freetours dented quite easily with both Pivot heels, and to a lesser extent with Warden heels.
... Thom
The heel's pretty solid, I've had good use in kinpgins and shifts and they aren't really dented.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaliBrit
My Marker Lords dented the heels on my ZGTP. I asked Tecnica about it and they basically implied that they don't like Marker product and get Warden MNC's if you want to put them in alpine bindings.Quote:
Originally Posted by JRainey
Been riding my ZGTPs on both ATK pin heel/toe and Shift alpine heel/toe. No dents or scuffing in the heel, much more durable than my old Lange XT130 Freetours.
There's a couple knicks on the toe, but not bad to cause me any worry.
Lange actually sent me metal horseshoes for the heel since the plastic was so soft on that first iteration of 2016 boots.
Thanks all that pushes me to pull the trigger on the tectons for
My v werks katanas.
PSA This seasons boots have a fucking gnarly locktite applied to the screws that hold in the walk mode parts. YOU CAN NOT REMOVE THE SCREWS WITHOUT HEATING THEM (and heat them very well).
Basically fucked one of the screws/ holes in the alum piece that sits on the inside trying to change the forward lean angle. I don't get how the screw is so hard in the thread area and so cheese in the head. I even went out and got a new set of diamond tipped screwdrivers to try to help out. The tolerances on the stock screw is kinda bad so even some heat + the new driver didn't work.
So to change the forward lean angle... LOTS of heat from a soldering iron (backwards drill bit is going to fuck the already bad fasteners), press REAL fucking hard down so you don't cam out the screw head, and be real careful with that #2 Philips.
And no I wasn't just going to town on the screw like an ape.
And even when you do all their there’s not really any difference ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by NorCalNomad
So I just wanted to update on the ZeroG Tour Pro's after doing a bunch of touring on them the last few weeks. They are incredibly comfortable with the stock liner, I'm not getting any cold air sensation in the boots with the stock liners (like I was with intuition liners). I never glued down the removable boot boards, and never experienced any issues with the boot boards sliding around / making noises while ski touring, like I was in my living room walking around. I have kept the first two buckles, buckled while touring.. so if they were completely unbuckled I'm sure I might experience an issue, but keeping the bottom two buckles buckled were comfortable, and never experienced any pain.
These boots are far and away, so much better, lighter, more comfortable, and ski way better than my old Dynafit Mercury's. Going into and out of walk mode is also way easier. So all in all, I'm super happy I upgraded to a way better ski touring boot in the Zero G Tour Pro. I love Dynafit bindings, but I will never buy another Dynafit boot again after having so many issues with the TLT5 and Mercury boots and liners.
Couple things to note on the Zero G's that could be a little better, the powerstrap is light and easy to use, but it's not all that powerful, and comes undone easily which is a good and a bad thing... for backcountry skiing / ski touring it's alright, but for resort skiing it's not really enough on hard pack snow. Lastly, the top two buckles, I wish could get a little bit tighter, or be able to put on a buckle with a smaller wire cable, to tighten things down a little more (as I'm almost maxing out the top buckle, even with all the adjustments built into the boot). Overall, it's a great boot, and would buy again without hesitation. It's great when you get back from a long 10 to 12 mile tour and your feet are not feeling absolutely destroyed from being in an uncomfortable ski touring boot (like I experienced with Dynafit boots). Cheers!
So it’s not worth it? Skied them today with the biggest spoiler I have and wish they had more lean.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaliBrit
I mean it’s a 5 min change. But I think you’ll see when you do it that it’s not doing anything really.Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_pretzel
I’ve also discovered the tech fitting placement on these boots tends to reduce the forward lean when in the binding vs say a scarpa.
I’d rather not not mess with the screws that are loctited if it’s no change.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaliBrit
That makes sense. Any ski it in boths pins and a shift or something to see if its better? Maybe i just need old dynafits with like a 35* ramp angle
Was going to but with kids at home and a tweaked knee I never got to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_pretzel
See my thread on ramp angle. To match my cochise in alpine binders I think I need a ramp of 11-12 degrees. Which happens to be angle of the ATK freeride range.
Idk it does feel a little better with putting it to 14º and putting that included bumper in the back to act like a spoiler.Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_pretzel
I’d agree the spoiler helps. Not so much switching the tap.Quote:
Originally Posted by NorCalNomad
I would just like to say that these boots are fucking incredible, and that's coming from a Fischer Carbon Travers for half a million+ vertical feet. Can't believe how well this tours compared to the old brown/blue Cochise, the white Maestrale, etc
Another day on mine today and I’m super impressed. They ski super well and the flex feels nice and progressive. I can’t say anything bad about how it walks too, range if motion feels more than adequate and smooth.Quote:
Originally Posted by mall walker
My inbounds boot is lange plug so I’m picky as can be.
I feel a little more forward resistance when the skin track angle gets steep vs my Fischer’s and they are a little heavier but they haven’t slowed me down at all, even when touring many consecutive days. Outside of actual skimo racing I no longer really see a need for a ~1kg boot, and I really never thought I would say that. they are mighty fiddly at transition time, but I'm already getting used to it...
edit to add: it took me a little bit to figure out that if I throw the walk mode lever down when my leg is upright and lean forward it locks on its own, I don't need to futz with the stupid locking piece. pretty neat.
This right here. I'm actually thinking of going even lighter than my 1st gen Atomic Backlands for my lightweight boots (when they die) since the ZGTP skis and tours SO well.Quote:
Originally Posted by mall walker
yeah. I'm slow enough I can't really justify the cost but if I do want a truly light setup (if I ever attempt say, the Oquirrh traverse or the La Sal traverse or something) I think Alien 1.0s or something would be where I'd go. I race very casually and am an officer for the local nonprofit that puts on the tuesday night "skimo" "races" here in UT so I'll keep a simple-transitioning boot (Backland, Travers) for those, but otherwise... the weight penalty and walk mode penalty are so slight, almost unnoticeable. And I really fucking notice that stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by NorCalNomad
I'm definitely keep some lighter SKIS for things like the 8th or 9th straight day of 4k'+ days when I'm just fucking gassed, or if me and sfotex ever ski again and I gotta try to keep up with him, or the big annual skimo race (Wasatch Powderkeg) which is super fucking fun and which I keep knocking double-digit minutes off my team each year. But for bc skiing, fuck, I'm never not taking the ZGTPs. They haven't slowed me down at all, not one minute, and I track this stuff in a spreadsheet.
Interesting....
I’ve been pondering boots and a while back passed up on cheap zgtp’s. Later I realized they’re barely weigh more than my old tlt6’s; maybe worth further looks when the world settles down a bit.
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riff they both ski AND skin better than the tlt6's too.
Does anyone else think the ZGTP has a lot of room in the cuff? I’m pretty much maxed out with the top cuff buckle (buckle moved to the farthest hole too). I’m in intuition tour wraps for liners.
I’m a skinny guy, so I have a skinny calf, but I don’t experience the same problem in my Solly mtn labs.
I’m considering adding some boot foam to the liners, and if that doesn’t work, drilling a new hole for the top buckle ladder (staying in the reinforced buckle area of the cuff).
Anyone else have a similar experience or thoughts on what to do?
I’ve got nonexistent calves as well. I use the spoiler it comes with in the tongue and super thick spoilers in the back and I’m good. Surefoot makes some really thick ones that are soft. Other than that Lange spoilers tend to be the thickest you can find. Helps add some forward lean as well which helps us calf deprived folks.
hm, I tend to think of myself as having pretty narrow calves but haven't had an issue. I have the buckles in the stock position... I'm on basically the tightest "notch" or whatnot but I am in pretty much every boot.
Similar problems with mine as well. I've always had to move upper buckles to the tightest setting on other boots but this was much more noticeable on the ZGTP. Besides adjusting the top buckles, I added Tour Wraps which took up some room, added a thicker spoiler and added a true booster strap in lieu of the stock one. All of these have helped as well as buckling the booster strap underneath the cuff. After doing this I've got much better control and feel, at one point was considering dumping these as the calf movement was horrible and in anything other than fresh was down right hard to control.
Has anyone here upgraded from La Sportiva Spectre 2.0's to the ZGTP? If so, can you comment on how the fit compares? I was looking at the Hoji Free as an upgrade, but I don't really want to end up in a boot that's heavier than what I'm skiing now.
Currently I'm skiing a 27.5 Spectre 2.0 with a size 28 MV Intuition Dreamliner and no shell work. Inbounds I ski a 26.5 Lange RX120 with a ZipFit liner, and use the same custom footbed in both.
The BSL is the 27.5 ZGTP is 9mm longer than my Spectre's: is that just because of the outsole shape, or is the interior length significantly longer? I don't want or need any more length/volume than the Spectre's offer, but I also know I don't want to tour in a boot that is shell-fit as tightly as my 26.5 Lange's.
The alternative is to keep my Spectre's going by sticking some new Pro Tour Liners I picked up from the group buy in them with a Power tongue to beef up the boot a bit?
^ pretty sure Boissal did that exact upgrade, you may wanna pm him
edit: and he sized down to 26.5. coming from a 27.5 fischer carbon travers I also sized down to 26.5 in the ZGTP. fits perfect.
This might be a data point ... or not ...
My 25.5 OG XT 130 Freetours (LV) feel tighter in the toe box than my 25.5 ZGTPs (last year's model - unchanged for this year).
The shell fit feels very close, but subjectively (and with Power Wraps in the Langes and Tour Wraps in the ZGTPs), there's a marginal (but significant for me) difference.
This, seems more about the toe box height. Just walking around in the XTs, the knuckles on my big and middle toes get sore. It's tolerable when skiing.
I've never experienced this in a boot, don't know if it's a Lange thing, if it's changed in 3 years, or if this is why you upsized your Spectres.
The ZGTPs are fine, but I wouldn't want them a mm shorter.
... Thom
XTlv toebox is much lower height (compared to other lange boots as well.) there is a ton of plastic there and you can just grind it a bit to open it up. I have no idea why lange decided to do that. You'd think they would be more generous in that area for a "touring boot." The last is narrower throughout, particularly in the heel.Quote:
Originally Posted by galibier_numero_un
ZG toebox is tighter on the inside (big toe), slightly lower instep than the XT.
My ZG Scout skis and walks so well. Very very impressed with these boots.
Definitely an "odd" design decision. Thanks for the tip. Punching helped a bit, and since I only ski it inbounds (and occasional side country), I haven't pursued it further.Quote:
Originally Posted by jackattack
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... Thom
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Originally Posted by galibier_numero_un
I'm not sure my Spectres are "upsized" as I wear size 11 street shoes, and I have a very tight shell fit in my Langes (~5mm). I bought my Spectres from a reasonably reputable shop, and the fitter thought there was no way I should be considering 26.5 boots for touring use based on the length of my feet. I had a pair of 26.5 Vulcans that were torture devices to tour in for me, so that supports that idea.
My Spectres definitely have another season or two of life in them, but if there's something out there that both skis better and is lighter, then I'm all ears. This would be a purely AT boot, not for crossover/resort use unless I'm riding a lift to go out the gate for the day, so minimizing weight is important to me, but I tour for the turns, so downhill performance is also important to me.
I generally like how my Spectres tour and ski, although I do occasionally overpower them. I should probably just get the stiff tongue for those new liners and call it good. The price of new boots will cover half the cost of a second week at a hut somewhere in BC next winter, and the money's probably better spent that way.
^ well if you're a size 11 you might wanna stick with the 27.5... I am a size 9-9.5 and the 26.5 ZGTP is as close a shell fit as I could deal with for touring anyway. come to think of it you may just wanna try some on lol
Yeah, that's absolutely the best course of action. However, I'm "working from home" as a building inspector, and in a state with a stay at home order, so I felt like shooting the shit about gear.Quote:
Originally Posted by mall walker
haha same, no judgment! I am just surprised I guess that you can take a 26.5 shell in any boot with that street shoe size. I always felt the tecnicas ran a size big compared to most other boots personally, but I haven't had a competitive alpine fitting boot in ages eitherQuote:
Originally Posted by glademaster