I need a new mattress

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Originally Posted by bodywhomper

Replacing a non-latex foam mattress after 19 years of use. We’re planning to get a latex mattress. We’re side sleepers who seem to prefer firmer mattresses. Also, don’t seem to mind thin mattresses - we both get comfortable pretty quickly sleeping on 3” paco pads. I’m not aware of any company within an hour drive selling latex mattresses.

Looking online, are foamsweetfoam and sleepez the same company or are there a bunch of mattress shops next to each other in Tempe, AZ?

Was considering 7” Dunlap foam from sleepez. Sleepez keeps recommending the top layer as “soft” with bottom layer as “firm.”

Anybody have light to shed on soft vs medium firmness? For that top layer?

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I'd highly recommend building a mattress yourself out of the parts.

You'll need:

Zip-up cover
Base foam or springs
Support layer
Top layer

I built my own premium latex that would have cost over $2000 from even discount places for under $800 doing this. Plus since the mattress cover can zip off, when the top layer of latex (1-2") wears down and gets a groove, you can just replace that and keep all the other parts.

Here's where I got several of my parts:
https://www.mattresses.net/diylamaco.html
https://latexmattressfactory.com/

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Originally Posted by Falcon3

I'd highly recommend building a mattress yourself out of the parts.

You'll need:

Zip-up cover
Base foam or springs
Support layer
Top layer

I built my own premium latex that would have cost over $2000 from even discount places for under $800 doing this. Plus since the mattress cover can zip off, when the top layer of latex (1-2") wears down and gets a groove, you can just replace that and keep all the other parts.

Here's where I got several of my parts:
https://www.mattresses.net/diylamaco.html
https://latexmattressfactory.com/

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Been scouring Reddit most of the day and found several mattresses that seem to meet our needs and have high ratings/recommendations. All have some sort of Veterans Day or Black Friday coupon codes. Looked at Bear, Plank (Brooklyn Bedding), Brooklyn Bedding, and Birch. Want a hybrid with some sort of cooling technology (mostly fibers woven into the cover and or topper layer), firm to extra firm, low motion transfer. All have a 100-120 day return option ($99 fee in most cases) and 10 year warranty

DIY is more expensive for similarly configured mattresses because there's no coupons, shipping isn't free, only 5-year warranty and pro-rated after 1 year, and no returns if we don't like it.

Going to go with the Brooklyn Bedding Aurora Luxe Cooling. It's the most expensive of my field of 4 but not outrageously more than the other options.

I appreciate the rec for DYI and info about the holiday discount sales. I do not understand the benefit, as a user, for a flippable mattress that’s different hardnesses on different sides.


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Originally Posted by bodywhomper

I appreciate the rec for DYI and info about the holiday discount sales. I do not understand the benefit, as a user, for a flippable mattress that’s different hardnesses on different sides.


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Why would you want to flip a mattress that had different hardnesses? You don't flip the modern stacked foam ones. The advantage to me for the DIY route is being able to replace the top layer(s).

Since I got a sleep number, I went with a mid-tier model, and then added my own foam topper, which I will replace eventually. I could have spent more for a SN mattress with the topper built in. But I like replaceable better. And yes, I need to use a topper on a sleep number. My number is 85. But I need padding for my joints.

Thanks. Are all the modern latex foam mattresses stacked foam? I have noticed that in some of the descriptions that I have seen, but it wasn’t clear to me that this was the norm/typical.


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Anyone have experience with Dreamcloud? I was doing a random search and Tom’s guide recommended them quite highly. Prices look good.


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Originally Posted by bodywhomper

Thanks. Are all the modern latex foam mattresses stacked foam? I have noticed that in some of the descriptions that I have seen, but it wasn’t clear to me that this was the norm/typical.


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All the ones I looked at were. Firm core, medium-firm mid-layer, and soft top layer seemed to be the most common build.

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Originally Posted by bodywhomper

Thanks. Are all the modern latex foam mattresses stacked foam? I have noticed that in some of the descriptions that I have seen, but it wasn’t clear to me that this was the norm/typical.

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Most are, yes. There are some that have a pocket coil system as the base layer, and I think this is vastly superior. The only qualm about latex is that it doesn't breathe very well, but I think having an airy pocket coil system and then a few inches of perforated latex, plus a cotton or wool quilted cover is way cooler than just a standard latex stack.

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Originally Posted by Falcon3

Most are, yes. There are some that have a pocket coil system as the base layer, and I think this is vastly superior. The only qualm about latex is that it doesn't breathe very well, but I think having an airy pocket coil system and then a few inches of perforated latex, plus a cotton or wool quilted cover is way cooler than just a standard latex stack.

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Yep. They're labeled hybrid latex mattresses. That's what I compared DIY to...you can get DIY pocketed coil bases to use as your base layer.

I didn't see a lot of options for DIY perforated latex foam layers. Most of the mattresses that touted "cooling" had a combo of perforated foam layers and wool or wool/cotton covers.

Riddle me this.
We've been sleeping on the same basic-no-pillow-top-coil-spring reasonably firm mattress for the last 25+ years.
Thinking about a new mattress, mostly so that we can move the old one into a guest bedroom. Since that seemingly makes more sense than getting a new one for guests.
My most consistent complaint with any hotel, AirBNB, friend's mattress has been that they're too soft. Second complaint is that foam feels like shit from the first second and keeps feeling like shit through the night.
So my real question is, what's the difference between a $500 innerspring and a $2500+ innerspring?

I don’t have experience with an innerspring mattress other than hotels. But I noticed a significant price difference with “white glove” delivery vs w/o that delivery method.

We ended up getting a simple two layer latex mattress from turmerry - medium and firm - with wool/cotton zipper covers It arrived as a DYI kit. Simple to assemble. We’re trying out medium side up. We’ve both been sleeping well. I got lucky with timing the drop off of the old foam mattress at the dump for recycling, as in the line was short. Usually a dump run can take hours because my dump sucks.

After about a month, I'm really liking the latex hybrid mattress we got from Brooklyn Bedding (which is not in Brooklyn).

At first, it felt like it was going to be too soft but that's just the top layer. Perfect firmness for me and Mrs. MNIAW likes it as well.

Sounds like our Saavta mattress. Most comfortable bed I've ever slept on

Went to a couple mattress chains. Realized foam is definitely out for us. Realized all pillow/Euro tops are out for us. Realized only the firmest inner springs are firm enough. Realized there’s a blurred line between innerspring with a nice quilt and some hybrids.
I’ve pretty much narrowed it down to
1) Beautyrest Black Series One Extra Firm. $2000.
2) Saatva Classic Firm. $2100.
3) Winkbeds Plus (Firmer than firm). $1700.

Dragging feet for sales. Hoping to spend closer to $1500

I have slept on a bunch of mattresses while traveling the last 3 weeks. Our Saavta with inner springs and a 3" latex top is the most comfortable by far. Sleeping on my side, the hard mattresses hurt my shoulders

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Originally Posted by jm2e

Went to a couple mattress chains. Realized foam is definitely out for us. Realized all pillow/Euro tops are out for us. Realized only the firmest inner springs are firm enough. Realized there’s a blurred line between innerspring with a nice quilt and some hybrids.
I’ve pretty much narrowed it down to
1) Beautyrest Black Series One Extra Firm. $2000.
2) Saatva Classic Firm. $2100.
3) Winkbeds Plus (Firmer than firm). $1700.

Dragging feet for sales. Hoping to spend closer to $1500

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President’s day/weekend is the big mattress sales time if you can wait a month

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Originally Posted by jm2e

Went to a couple mattress chains. Realized foam is definitely out for us. Realized all pillow/Euro tops are out for us. Realized only the firmest inner springs are firm enough. Realized there’s a blurred line between innerspring with a nice quilt and some hybrids.
I’ve pretty much narrowed it down to
1) Beautyrest Black Series One Extra Firm. $2000.
2) Saatva Classic Firm. $2100.
3) Winkbeds Plus (Firmer than firm). $1700.

Dragging feet for sales. Hoping to spend closer to $1500

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Saatva go on sale a lot of the time, usually on a holiday. I just did a brief search (‘Saatva sale’) and turned up:
https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/lif...ents-day-sale/
https://www.tomsguide.com/deals/saatva-mattress-deals

Love mine.

Edit: hey there, bb.

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Originally Posted by jm2e

Went to a couple mattress chains. Realized foam is definitely out for us. Realized all pillow/Euro tops are out for us. Realized only the firmest inner springs are firm enough. Realized there’s a blurred line between innerspring with a nice quilt and some hybrids.
I’ve pretty much narrowed it down to
1) Beautyrest Black Series One Extra Firm. $2000.
2) Saatva Classic Firm. $2100.
3) Winkbeds Plus (Firmer than firm). $1700.

Dragging feet for sales. Hoping to spend closer to $1500

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Still love my Beautyrest Black after 13 years.

I got the "luxury firm." I'm a side/back/stomach sleeper (mostly side) and it's just me sleeping on it. Rotate weekly when I change the sheets. Not feeling a dip.


Edit/add: I should note that the mattress had a break-in period. The salesman suggested walking on it to loosen it up. Was def. a lot more firm initially than the broken in one I tried at the store.

You guys with the Saatvas, how pillow top like are they? We don’t want to sink in.


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You guys with the Saatvas, how pillow top like are they? We don’t want to sink in.

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I don’t feel like I sink in at all. It’s just a little luxurious touch, softening the surface when I lie on it, and the mattress itself is very supportive…if that makes any sense.

My thoughts on pillow top is buy the right firmness non pillow top and then add the plush topper of your choice. The topper is essentially disposable.

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That helps a lot, thanks. That’s how the BR Black felt. Regardless if they categorize it as a hybrid or an innerspring, these all seem to be a bunch of coils with [emoji639]-[emoji640]” of foam and a quilted top.


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My thoughts on pillow top is buy the right firmness non pillow top and then add the plush topper of your choice. The topper is essentially disposable.

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Nope, that Saavta is so comfortable with the 3" of latex on top I have never felt a topper close to it.

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Originally Posted by liv2ski

Nope, that Saavta is so comfortable with the 3" of latex on top I have never felt a topper close to it.

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This is probably just me but the whole idea of sleeping on latex skeeves me out.

Is it hot? Does it get funky over time? How long does it retain it's loft?

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Originally Posted by liv2ski

Nope, that Saavta is so comfortable with the 3" of latex on top I have never felt a topper close to it.

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I want to be able to replace the "pillow". It's a wear part in my opinion. I have a sleep number bed with a 3" topper I bought separately elsewhere. I purposefully didn't buy the more expensive sleep number with a built in foam pillow. My sleep number is 85, but I need a bit of foam to sink into. I'll be able to replace the foam this way.

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This is probably just me but the whole idea of sleeping on latex skeeves me out.

Is it hot? Does it get funky over time? How long does it retain it's loft?

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Not hot. Ours must be 3 years old and feels new. I like it so much I may try a mattress with more latex in it next time.

I did a DIY full latex build with APM recently. Happy to advise if anyone is interested. It came out exactly how I wanted, though that wasn't surprising because we were also coming from a latex mattress (10 y.o. Pure Latex Bliss with zero sagging or issues), just upgrading size.

Good to know, thanks...

https://www.mattresses.net/king-all-...r-upgrade.html

How did you saatva people decide which saatva to buy?

I’m looking at a size upgrade. Like our current Casper Hybrid although it isn’t perfect (bit too warm and so heavy that my wife struggles to change the sheets by herself).

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I don’t want to sink into my mattress. I don’t want to be inside the mattress.
Like a nice chair. It needs to be firm, with just enough cushion that it doesn’t feel like a church pew.


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Still my favorite thread ever.


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Took delivery on a Costco Sterns & Foster, $999.99 delivered, 15 year warranty.

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Originally Posted by babybear

President&rsquo;s day/weekend is the big mattress sales time if you can wait a month

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Pulled the trigger on a Beautyrest Black Extra Firm (no pillow top) for Seventeen Hundo. Delivery in a few weeks. That will be the next adventure as it sounds just like the cable guy, where I will need to take a day off work and hope they eventually show</p>
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Pulled the trigger on a Beautyrest Black Extra Firm (no pillow top) for Seventeen Hundo. Delivery in a few weeks. That will be the next adventure as it sounds just like the cable guy, where I will need to take a day off work and hope they eventually show</p>
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Where did you get it from? What size? That price sounds pretty good.

I recently bought a Sealy Posturepedic Plus Hybrid and I am sleeping like a baby these days. Best mattress I’ve ever slept on by far.

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Where did you get it from? What size? That price sounds pretty good.

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Such a weird industry. Fixed prices, so the local mattress/furniture stores aren’t allowed to have competitive pricing. The Series One retails for two thousand and that’s the price everywhere. Presidents Day sale has it at seventeen hundred everywhere.
Research suggests they only go on sale for Presidents Day and Black Friday. Direct from Beautyrest gets me the best return deal. One hundred days no questions asked zero fee free pickup. Local shops were all exchange only.


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Originally Posted by Bunion 2020

Took delivery on a Costco Sterns & Foster, $999.99 delivered, 15 year warranty.

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Such a sick deal! If they had that mattress in firm without a pillow top I would have been all over it.


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Much firmer that my 15 yr old Sealy. Easy to forget how sweet a new mattress really is.

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Originally Posted by jm2e

Such a weird industry. Fixed prices, so the local mattress/furniture stores aren’t allowed to have competitive pricing. The Series One retails for two thousand and that’s the price everywhere. Presidents Day sale has it at seventeen hundred everywhere.
Research suggests they only go on sale for Presidents Day and Black Friday. Direct from Beautyrest gets me the best return deal. One hundred days no questions asked zero fee free pickup. Local shops were all exchange only.


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It’s MAP pricing but stores can sell it for whatever they want…..they can’t advertise it for less.


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FWIW, Saatva is having a 20% off sale for Pres’ Day.