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Originally Posted by RootSkier
Fiskars replaced the broken lopper, no questions asked and no hassle. Good company! Not the first time they've shipped out replacement tools to me.
http://www.habventures.com/photos/POD/2021/broke.jpg
http://www.habventures.com/photos/POD/2021/fiskars.jpg
Anybody know about these diamond things? I don't know much about the pics, beyond it's a private build. Do you put another layer of dirt over them so they are not visible? Seems great for erosion. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...e3ded93cd3.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...0098df52a0.jpg
Sorta, they are brick pavers that will allow grass to grow through them... traditionally. I've seen a few bike parks that use them to reinforce berms (and they should use them in the lead up to eliminate brake bumps).Quote:
Originally Posted by jackstraw
Also called turf blocks. We have some on local trails, they seem to work pretty well to reduce erosion for steep switchbacks with sandy soil that otherwise become blown out messes when the soil dries out. Covering them (beyond the fill in the second pic) kind of defeats the purpose, the idea is to have tires and feet hitting the pavers rather than dirt. Over time you can wind up with erosion around the pavers which results in a lip to get on them, so there may still be some maintenance required. Some (public) land managers won't allow them because they're "unnatural" and get the Sierra Club types upset.
Also seem good for armoring perpetually wet areas once you've done what you can with drainage, particularly if you don't have a good source for rock.
Yeah, I was thinking it would erode around them creating a lip. I suppose that isn't such a big deal, but I wouldn't want to go down on them. Ouch!Quote:
Originally Posted by teledad
We've used them on some local trails here. Just like they do with any trivial rock in the trail, hoardes of mediocre socal riders seem scared of that lip and end up riding around the line of pavers, so you have to make sure it's a wide enough surface not just a single row of them. The switchback above looks about right. They use them a lot up at Mammoth Mtn where the trail surface is thick kitty litter pumice. I've also seen them used effectively on stream crossings on moto trails in the Sierras. Wish more land managers would embrace them. They're great on high traffic trails with erodible dirt.Quote:
Originally Posted by jackstraw
I went out again this weekend despite hot temps figuring I'd work early til it got too hot. Wasn't bad the first day, maybe mid 80s with some breeze so I worked til 330. Next day was brutal. Got hot early and was 95 when I got back to the truck shortly after noon. Made lots of progress though.
Before
http://www.habventures.com/photos/Digging/2021/01.jpg
After
http://www.habventures.com/photos/Digging/2021/02.jpg
Before
http://www.habventures.com/photos/Digging/2021/03.jpg
After
http://www.habventures.com/photos/Digging/2021/04.jpg
And more after shots...you get the idea
http://www.habventures.com/photos/Digging/2021/05.jpg
http://www.habventures.com/photos/Digging/2021/06.jpg
Giving an old favorite a little love.
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Lots of places put them in places that get brake bumps to prevent the formation of holes.Quote:
Originally Posted by jackstraw
The problem is, places that get brake bumps are... places where people are using the brakes. And those turf blocks don't offer much traction. They're basically just dust on top of concrete. So people start braking earlier because the only place you can slow down is before you hit the pavers. So the brake jack just migrates uphill. And then people start trying to ride around the edges because the whole area turns into a mess.
So I'm of the opinion that pavers / turf blocks are a bad solution. Better off reworking the corner to require less braking. Or just get better suspension and deal with the brake bumps.
The other solution to brake bumps is to put in more turns, especially 3-packs or chicanes (i.e. quick left/right/left) which are just fun to ride. And make the berms in situations like those photos above be steeper / taller, so that people are more willing to just carry speed into it and trust the support.
Yeah, I dig the chicanes. Super fun! I've built a few and only a couple that flow decently. The others are just janky due to either a poor layout by me and/or trees/terrain since I don't machine build.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andeh
Rode some for the first time on an "up" that I guess can be a down also. But made a lot of sense on this up. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...af9bf04180.jpg
[QUOTE=evdog;6336194]Fiskars replaced the broken lopper, no questions asked and no hassle. Good company! Not the first time they've shipped out replacement tools to me. <br><br>
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<br>In which type of tools they deal ? I am looking for perfect sprinkler system for my garden ?
Fiskars makes garden and yard tools. You'll have to go to the TGR gardening subforum for your sprinkler system needs.
I thought this was pretty great.
https://youtu.be/nsdTobsYTDE
No Dig No RideQuote:
Originally Posted by climberevan
Well done.
We had a ramp rot out. You can wheelie off this, but it's slightly uphill/ flat after a bit of a beat down techy up, so I rebuilt this one. One trail and one adder planned at the moment for this fall. Hoping my Travis tool ships soon. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...c0cea0cf8f.jpg
Ah, this may answer my question from the other thread. Nice work!Quote:
Originally Posted by panchosdad
TAMBA is doing some good work doing post Caldor Fire cleanup in South Lake. I saw a trail crew working in the firebreak in our neighborhood re-establishing trail that was dozered so I grabbed a rake and helped them out. There are many miles of trail that will need to be rebuilt but it's pretty easy -- just flag it and scratch it out so people know where to go so we don't end up with lots of confused conflicting trails. There is no vegetation to clear at all.Attachment 388310
That brings a whole new meaning to "rake and ride."
Can someone please explain why groups like Great Old Broads for Wilderness are so opposed to trail development in already disturbed areas claiming they disagree with the Bureau of Land Management findings of a trail reroute in the Boise foothills of no significant environmental impact? Are they just the groups of angry hikers that feel like they've somehow been wronged by mountain bikers?
Hateful old hikers hate everything. Especially anyone who enjoys the outdoors differently than they do.
FTFYQuote:
Originally Posted by evdog
Yeah, true. I've had more issues with mtn bikers than any other group. The old bikers (shit I'm old and have been riding probably longer than them) have this innate, so it seems, need to keep trails, including new, like it's 1987. Drives me nuts that they cannot see the progression and speed involved with new bikes and younger kids ripping.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andeh
87 was more like biking on hand made hiking trail. That same old fun stuff is even more fun with the bike progression. Guess it's all regional but, all this new fast flow is a bit one-dimensional.Quote:
Originally Posted by jackstraw
If all their is, is one style of trail, then yes it will be one-dimensional. In 87, riding handmade hiking trail as the only option made trails pretty one-dimensional. When the northshore janky skinny boom took off it made riding pretty one-dimensional but less so because you still had the existing backcountry hiking type trails. Now we have added flow trails, jump trails and downhill track-type trails. If you don't like what is currently being built as new trail, odds are that there are a bunch of existing trails of a different style already in the area. If all that gets built is the kind of trail that "YOU" or "I" like, then the riding would be pretty one-dimensional.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meconium
Here in the PNW, our local trail org is currently getting shit for recently building too much single black raw loamer type trails and not enough green and blue flow trail for beginners. Can't please everyone.
This is certainly true, but there's a sizeable percentage of the "hateful old hiker" contingent that even hates trail running--anyone not walking <2 mph enthralled in rapt reverence while carrying a copy of Muir's memoirs can fuck right off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andeh
Yeah, them and horse people are definitely fighting for the crown of King Funhater.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dantheman
They are good for a cringe-worthy laugh sometimes. SLC is in the process of trying to build a proper trail system in the foothills. Construction started in the spring and the HOHs have managed to get the whole thing shut down for the foreseeable future. One of their main complaints is that the hiking-only and multi-use trails aren't steep enough. It's completely lost on them that everything is being built at 5% grade because they've spent decades screeching about overly-steep trails, erosion and sustainability.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andeh
I build what the terrain gives me, but I never purposely kill speed if I don't have to. Everyone that knows my builds would laugh if you said, "flow". I'm trying really hard to incorporate flow where possible though. Tech and flow create a great trail imo, but many people hate tech because of their comfort level which is smart and justified. And to Caligrown point, we just built a "green" trail. It is important to build all levels, again, if the terrain supports it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meconium
Tech flow trails are the holy grail. So much fun, but so hard to build well. Kudos to anyone who builds a good one.Quote:
Originally Posted by jackstraw
I think its a fine lane to straddle between building more of what "the people want" vs. building more of what is missing from the current available trails. Whatever kind of trail you built there will be people that are stoked to have that kind of new trail, and people that are bummed you didnt build the kind of trail they wanted.Quote:
Originally Posted by jackstraw
I like to think of flow as something that is always there, but sometimes harder to find than others. If you can't find the flow, don't blame the trail, work harder at finding it. Finding flow on a trail that doesn't give it up easily is highly rewarding.Quote:
Originally Posted by jackstraw
This is so true in many cases! We have tree issues, so unless we're cutting, which we never do on unsanctioned, it is obviously difficult to achieve. But to your point, I've had riders show me "flow" on a trail that was not flowy! They're much better riders than me and have opened my eyes to what is possible. Need to keep pushing and progressing as a builder and the young guns open your eyes to possibilities otherwise not seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by panchosdad
Ah, the old point A to point B hiker argument. They are all about a destination and the work out getting there but not so much about the actual hike itself or beautiful trail construction. They don't understand modern day trail construction. Ask em how many days a year they can show up to maintain there rain gutter fall line mess of a trail. Let em know they are going to have to spend a whole lotta time digging borrow pits to refill their trench. tunes often change if you throw that at them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dantheman
Tech flow? Do we have any examples of one? Any pics or vid we can post up?Quote:
Originally Posted by toast2266
I generally build whatever the terrain dictates or calls for. The mountain is usually right and I don't see any need trying to force something that isn't really there.
Yup. 100%. Standard old person bigotry.Quote:
Originally Posted by evdog
There's a lot of that. There's nothing like being out building, professionally or volunteering and having a rider come through giving ya shit about it. Like why not just spit in my face. You gotta develop a thick skin as a trail builder. Let the haters hate! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by jackstraw
I really love riding and building flow trail stuff. I've been getting my daughter back out on the bike again after a 5 year break and she really enjoys a shuttle-able flow trail. Those sort of fun and not so intimidating experiences can really get people into riding and although they may not technically challenge a more seasoned rider they still are a ton of fun. After riding here and in Sedona for almost 20 years now I really enjoy trails where I feel like I can tune out a bit instead of rolling slow with my eyes glued to the ground ten feet in front of my tire.