What phone now?

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Originally Posted by Skidog

update on Fi. Man it uses a LOT of background cellular data. I am attempting to replace my verizon phone. I am doing a same to same comparison. On my VZ phone i do not restrict anything, not one app. They can all do whatever they want. On VZ I am still grandfathered unlimited so I could give 2 shits. The reason for looking at Fi is even on unlimited I use only 4MB -1GB(max ever) a month, yes i work from home and am connected to wifi 95% of the time,so I figured I could save $50/month with Fi since I use so little data and Fi supposedly uses Wifi as much as it can. Bought into the 2GB/month from Fi. Anywho...about a week in now and I have already used 3MB thats 1MB away from what i used on VZ in an entire month. Fi support says they do it differently, they are new, 1st month is always the biggest on data, some apps require cell data (total bullshit)etc etc etc...all excuses for not knowing WTF is using data on their network. I have even turned a few apps off on the Fi phone in an attempt to slow data use down, but i never do that with VZ phone. This is a pretty well known issue with no clear fix yet. wish they had more answers cause id really like to save a few bucks a month and dump Big Red, but with less coverage area and odd cell data usage it is tough to jump ship. If I have to buy another GB/month from Fi it defeats the entire purpose of switching. I'd rather have the stronger network and ability to use as much data as I want for the negligible savings of Fi on a 3gb plan.

hope this helps anyone looking at Fi. Just an aside, other than the odd data usage in the SLC Valley service has so far been very good. In some sport better than VZ.

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This hasn't been my experience at all. My current bill cycle ends Saturday and I've used 0.28 GB this month. It's been that way almost every month since I switched in February. The only times it hasn't been so is when I knowingly used cellular data while off wifi.

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Originally Posted by El Chupacabra

Before you ported the # from VZ to Fi, did you clear the data on the Project Fi app?
Also, have you cleared the cache partition?

Beyond those, I got nothing. Maybe a full factory reset?

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no port..used existing google voice #..THANK GOD i didnt port...

Sorry..also did wipe cache multiple times. Clean install (factory reset). Fi app reset...i tried it all. thanks for the suggestions though.

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Originally Posted by Dantheman

This hasn't been my experience at all. My current bill cycle ends Saturday and I've used 0.28 GB this month. It's been that way almost every month since I switched in February. The only times it hasn't been so is when I knowingly used cellular data while off wifi.

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yeah see thats strange as i have used over that in less than 7 days at 0.31gb as of today. no change in any habits...literally connected to wifi 95% of the time or more..i think it was probably on full cellular in those 6 days maybe a total of 6 hours. the only way to avoid weird cell i was told is to turn off cell when on good wifi. I don't have to do that now..When I am on wifi cell just isnt used period. It goes to sleep. Don't know if thats a VZ deal or not, but it simply doesnt use data. I expect my numbers to be like yours, but its not worth "testing" to see if things settle. The money savings just isnt all that great. Unlimited data is hard to beat.

this has been reported on google fi forums, some users experience it, some do not. Marshmallow, nougat, doesnt seem to matter. In fact Google has reported the fix will be included in Nougat, well I am running it as well as a handful of 5x's and there are still reports about random cell data use. If Fi could explain why I might stick around, but multiple reps dont have answers. I already got a VZ sim just now for my normal VZ number and will cancel Fi. Was worth a shot, just don't think it will work out for me.

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Originally Posted by Skidog

yeah see thats strange as i have used over that in less than 7 days at 0.31gb as of today. no change in any habits...literally connected to wifi 95% of the time or more..i think it was probably on full cellular in those 6 days maybe a total of 6 hours. the only way to avoid weird cell i was told is to turn off cell when on good wifi. I don't have to do that now..When I am on wifi cell just isnt used period. It goes to sleep. Don't know if thats a VZ deal or not, but it simply doesnt use data. I expect my numbers to be like yours, but its not worth "testing" to see if things settle. The money savings just isnt all that great. Unlimited data is hard to beat.

this has been reported on google fi forums, some users experience it, some do not. Marshmallow, nougat, doesnt seem to matter. In fact Google has reported the fix will be included in Nougat, well I am running it as well as a handful of 5x's and there are still reports about random cell data use. If Fi could explain why I might stick around, but multiple reps dont have answers. I already got a VZ sim just now for my normal VZ number and will cancel Fi. Was worth a shot, just don't think it will work out for me.

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Please answer: Do you have Google Play set to update only when on wifi?

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Originally Posted by Dexter Rutecki

Because I've always said, you know, I like my phone and I have a nice pair of headphones that sound great, but the real problem is I don't have to fumble around with an adapter plugged into the power jack(!) in order to use them.

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And if you're flying, how do you charge and listen to music at the same time?

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Originally Posted by riser3

Please answer: Do you have Google Play set to update only when on wifi?

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I do....but did not turn off "allow app to use background cellular data". So only update via wifi yes....Play store was surely the HOG on cell data. However is not the same hog on verizon. I was looking at app usage on both phones to compare...it was astonishing how play store used more data in 3 days than the verizon phone did in an entire billing cycle. Now...dont give me the whole it downloads all your apps on reset...well thats all done over wifi so..non issue. Having a rep tell me that "some apps require cell data to work" is simply horrible. They should know better. I have phones around the house, running only on wifi with all the exact same apps just no sim and they all work just fine. no app requires cell data.

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Originally Posted by Skidog

I do....but did not turn off "allow app to use background cellular data". So only update via wifi yes....Play store was surely the HOG on cell data. However is not the same hog on verizon. I was looking at app usage on both phones to compare...it was astonishing how play store used more data in 3 days than the verizon phone did in an entire billing cycle. Now...dont give me the whole it downloads all your apps on reset...well thats all done over wifi so..non issue. Having a rep tell me that "some apps require cell data to work" is simply horrible. They should know better. I have phones around the house, running only on wifi with all the exact same apps just no sim and they all work just fine. no app requires cell data.

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Oh, I agree. And it is puzzling since it doesn't affect everyone.

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Originally Posted by riser3

Oh, I agree. And it is puzzling since it doesn't affect everyone.

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I glad it's working out for some/most. Maybe I will go back eventually.

Weird to hear bad about the galaxy s5. Mine has been bomber, take it swimming in the pool, drop it a million times, still gets good battery life after two years, but it is starting to look ratty. Dropped it onto concrete the other day, and finally the screen cracked. I've had it a solid 2 years, been a great phone.
That said, I ordered a one + 3 the other day. It is somewhere between Hong Kong and here. I'll post up after I get it. I use att, has worked well for me in slc.

Add me to the group that doesn't like the galaxy S5. Just a really wonky phone.

Different model

about 2 weeks with my new S7...and I'm happy.

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Originally Posted by basinbeater

Weird to hear bad about the galaxy s5. Mine has been bomber, take it swimming in the pool, drop it a million times, still gets good battery life after two years, but it is starting to look ratty. Dropped it onto concrete the other day, and finally the screen cracked. I've had it a solid 2 years, been a great phone.
That said, I ordered a one + 3 the other day. It is somewhere between Hong Kong and here. I'll post up after I get it. I use att, has worked well for me in slc.

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That's the only thing I like about my s5 active, it does take a beating, so no case required. It's the OS that is all fucked up all the time. Also, the location of the buttons has always pissed me off. Every time I try to turn it sideways, I turn it off.

More complaints. Ringer volume has a mind of its own. Butt dials more than any phone I've ever had. Sends texts randomly from my pocket too. But mainly, the OS is just fucking annoying for so many reasons I can't even start to list. I've been on Android for probably 6 years, and it has just evolved into a cumbersome, glitchy POS.

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Originally Posted by flowing alpy

S7 is blowing up

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Note S7 is the one with the battery issue and recall, Galaxy S7 is slightly different. I have had very little issue with my Galaxy S5 so far, probably will be ready for a new battery soon. Make it into the evening depending on the usage and if I have bluetooth devices in use.

I like my S5. Screen rotation has been not working, but most of the time I have it off anyway.
Bluetooth has always sucked with it and my sound bar. That might be a combination of factors.

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Originally Posted by shredgnar

That's the only thing I like about my s5 active, it does take a beating, so no case required. It's the OS that is all fucked up all the time. Also, the location of the buttons has always pissed me off. Every time I try to turn it sideways, I turn it off.

More complaints. Ringer volume has a mind of its own. Butt dials more than any phone I've ever had. Sends texts randomly from my pocket too. But mainly, the OS is just fucking annoying for so many reasons I can't even start to list. I've been on Android for probably 6 years, and it has just evolved into a cumbersome, glitchy POS.

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It aint the OS...its the overlay that Samsung puts onto android to give you all the "fancy" functions and bloatware. Using pure android would solve most of these issues. I've never had a phone do what you all are explaining happening to the S5 and i've had a lot of fucking phones. Only times i saw weird behavior like that was after serious drops that might not look like they affected anything but in reality fucked up internal sensors or parts. this could explain some of peoples issues. Just cause it visibly survived the fall doesnt mean some piece inside wasnt fucked up.

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Originally Posted by Skidog

It aint the OS...its the overlay that Samsung puts onto android to give you all the "fancy" functions and bloatware. Using pure android would solve most of these issues. I've never had a phone do what you all are explaining happening to the S5 and i've had a lot of fucking phones. Only times i saw weird behavior like that was after serious drops that might not look like they affected anything but in reality fucked up internal sensors or parts. this could explain some of peoples issues. Just cause it visibly survived the fall doesnt mean some piece inside wasnt fucked up.

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Nope, that's not it. It's just a shitty phone with a shitty OS and shitty "overlay". You want to argue about it? Talk to someone else. I'm getting a new phone soon anyway.

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Originally Posted by shredgnar

Nope, that's not it. It's just a shitty phone with a shitty OS and shitty "overlay". You want to argue about it? Talk to someone else. I'm getting a new phone soon anyway.

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no argument, but i bet if you put pure andriod sans any overlay from Samsung you'd have a totally different experience. In fact id bet a couple bucks on it, but id imagine its not worth your time to try..for the S5 it would be rooting, installing a custom ROM, etc....the underlying Android OS is solid as its running on a TON of other phones out there with little complaint. Feel free to join the sheeple at Apple though...nothing ever goes wrong with iOS...ever :rolleyes2

GS7 is excellent. No complaints at all. Dig the inexpensive Spigen case I got for it too. Slim, but plenty of protection. (I tend not to drop phones on their faces though...)

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Originally Posted by Skidog

Feel free to join the sheeple at Apple though...nothing ever goes wrong with iOS...ever :rolleyes2

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So you are such a tech geek that someone's phone defines who they are? Sweet, good luck with that.

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Originally Posted by shredgnar

So you are such a tech geek that someone's phone defines who they are? Sweet, good luck with that.

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wow you read a lot into things... Good luck with that.

I don't even have a keypad lock and I don't butt dial.
My name starts with an a, so butt dialings happen. Usually my parents. They have iPhones.

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Originally Posted by Skidog

nothing ever goes wrong with iOS...ever :rolleyes2

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Earnest question: what's been going wrong with iOS?

They're updating it and stuff

I have been with Apple from the beginning. 4, 5, 5s, I'd say about 7 years with their phones. There are several things I don't like about the iPhones, including the bullshit they load onto it that I never use and can't delete, ICLOUD, the shit methods of merging apple accounts (this was partially on me but still pisses me off), and did I mention iCloud? Several other minor issues are the battery life going in about 2 years, the speaker that you hold to your ear on phone calls is too quiet, and not having a case really isn't an option (at least for me).

That said, I have had zero problems with poor functionality or glitchiness.. ever. The phones just work. I have been extremely cautious about installing the system updates, I think at one point I waited over a year to update to let the bugs get worked out.

My 5s is about 2 years old which means it's almost new phone time. I just found out yesterday that the 7 doesn't have an audio jack, now that is bullshit! Honestly thinking about getting the 5se (iphone 5 frame with 6 internals) if they still offer it. If not I'd go 6 and be done with it. Like I said earlier, the most frustrating part of the iphone for me right now is a problem where my old iCloud account was canceled, yet my phone doesn't recognize it, and a pop up asks me to log in about every 30 seconds. Now that shit is annoying.

My POS Galaxy S6 lasted all of 6 months, if that.

Just got a new Kyocera Duraforce. Bomber. Great phone so far. Great speakers, touchscreen works when wet and with gloves, battery lasts all day with heavy usage, button layout makes sense, charges with micro usb (fast with 2.4amp charger).

I had a 4s for a few years. My 2 yr old 5s is about ready for upgrade. Never used a protective case on this one, and it has survived largely (2 dunks while fishing, dropped plenty of times, the glass is loose, I think...you can squeeze the case slightly). I don't use iCloud except to sync contacts, notes, and calendar; no issues with iCloud IME. But pretty happy with battery life (charge every night) and OS & app stability. There's been no software frustrations that I've experienced. That's why I asked above.

Not sure I can stomach paying for the 7...starts at $650?!? Even at $30/mo, that's rough.

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Originally Posted by acinpdx

My 5s is about ready for upgrade. Never used a protective case on this one, and it has survived largely (the glass is loose, I think...you can squeeze the case slightly). I don't use iCloud except to sync contacts, notes, and calendar; no issues with iCloud IME. But pretty happy with battery life (charge every night) and OS & app stability. There's been no software frustrations that I've experienced. That's why I asked above.

Not sure I can stomach paying for the 7...starts at $650?!? Even at $30/mo, that's rough.

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I must be out of the loop, did they rework the contract payments or something? When I got my 5s I believe I could have gotten the 16G for free, but I paid 100 or 200 extra for the32G, and that was it. Now they're charging $650 even with the contract? That's madness.

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Originally Posted by east or bust

Like I said earlier, the most frustrating part of the iphone for me right now is a problem where my old iCloud account was canceled, yet my phone doesn't recognize it, and a pop up asks me to log in about every 30 seconds. Now that shit is annoying.

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I finally solved that after two calls to Apple support. I forget the process but part of it was to remove any apps that I had purchased through the cancelled account. No problems or being asked for the old password since.

Phone companies aren't subsidizing the phones anymore so they basically offer a payment plan or retail purchase. I think it started with introduction of the 6. My 16g 5s was sure as hell not free, $250 or so, but nowhere near current pricing

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Originally Posted by acinpdx

Phone companies aren't subsidizing the phones anymore so they basically offer a payment plan or retail purchase. I think it started with introduction of the 6. My 16g 5s was sure as hell not free, $250 or so, but nowhere near current pricing

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My wife and I still have our 5's, mine's a little older, I replaced the battery in mine for 10 bux and it works fine. I'm sick and tired of the charger cord replacement bullshit. I bought nightstand chargers that double up as clocks/speakers for the house and they will be rendered useless with the new chargers. There is nothing about the newer models that makes me feel like I'm missing out on something and I'm not fond of the jumbo size phones out there.

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Originally Posted by Moeghoul

My wife and I still have our 5's, mine's a little older, I replaced the battery in mine for 10 bux and it works fine. I'm sick and tired of the charger cord replacement bullshit. I bought nightstand chargers that double up as clocks/speakers for the house and they will be rendered useless with the new chargers. There is nothing about the newer models that makes me feel like I'm missing out on something and I'm not fond of the jumbo size phones out there.

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Originally Posted by Undertow

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So awesome that lots of Apple folks will be carrying around all kinds of dongles for this or that. Have a good time with all that. Looks cool

Apple is an obnoxious company.
Not that forcing Windows 10 on people like a virus wasn't obnoxious, but this type of shit is Apple's MO.
Sell everyone overpriced headphones. Drop the headphone jack.

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Originally Posted by Skidog

So awesome that lots of Apple folks will be carrying around all kinds of dongles for this or that. Have a good time with all that. Looks cool

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You seem to need lots of validation for your cell phone preference. Have a good time with that.

Project Fi/ Nexus 5X update:

Exactly mid-way through my first billing month, have used 0.062 gb data. Updated to Android 7 (Nougat) earlier this week -- only notice some minor differences (apparently split-screen is a big deal, but I don't care), with the exception of improved "doze" feature. Phone now goes into doze and stays there even while moving. Battery life is impressively improved.

that sub woofer img Tippster posted in the NSFW thread should be cross posted here, but just in case...linky instead
http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...95#post4806695

made me laff and i love my iphone

Seems like a good place to ask this:

If you needed to have a GPS with turn-by-turn directions (google maps or similar) for someone who does not own a smartphone, and only needed it for about 5 days, what would be the best way to go about it? If "get a phone" is the answer, what is the cheapest option for a phone that can do this and a phone service that we can cancel after it's over?

Buy a GPS at a place with a really good return policy and no restocking fee.

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Originally Posted by Undertow

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Wait, am I missing something here? Apple didn't change the dock connector, it's still the same one that's been around since the 5 (the "Lightning" version). People bitched about that change when it happened, but I don't hear anyone these days lamenting the loss of the giant old dock connector. If you have an iPhone 5, you shouldn't need a new charger or dock for the 7, right?

Now getting rid of the headphone jack, that's another story. My guess is that in a couple of years it won't be an issue because this will force a lot of folks into wireless headphones and bluetooth connections and they'll get used to it, but it's a pain in the meantime.

I've got a 5s with a cracked screen that I've had for 3 years, and am torn about upgrading. Would like to get the slightly larger screen and more storage (and an intact screen), but other than that I'm fine with the current phone. Having to pay $750 out of pocket is a tough pill.