WEED, The Official Thread

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Originally Posted by Crass3000

How does that work? Given GREAT pot stays in your body for over a month, how do they differentiate whether you were high or are high at the time? Using a bullshit test like they do for alcohol?

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Originally Posted by DasBlunt

Exactly, 5 nano grams here too I believe. It will be mostly for post accident and insurance use, it will be up to the user to prove tolerance and saturation in a court, you fuck up, you fuck up, same shit happens all the time with alcohol, and no mercy is given. DUI checks will be the same, and the same doubt/proof/reason will be applied in any engagement with law enforcement. Furthermore, I think it will help develop convenient and accessible voluntary monitoring devices to help beginners or questionable users not get behind the wheel.

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The provision in Washington explicitly states 5 ng/mL of THC, not THC-COOH which is the metabolite that stays in your system for hours/days. THC proper is only in the blood stream for a few hours. Here's a chart showing how long these substances last in the bloodstream:

http://i.imgur.com/8yyBv.png

Here's an article with astudy showing the same thing.

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Originally Posted by science

measured levels of active THC in 25 long-term heavy marijuana users over a seven-day period. "We chose experienced cannabis smokers, aged 21–45 years, reporting multiple years of use," the report explains. The subjects reported consuming anywhere from a dime bag to 10 blunts a day. Researchers found that only one of the participants had active THC levels above 5 ng/mL on "admission (day 1)," the same day the woman may have consumed marijuana, and the rest of the participants had levels lower than 5 ng/mL. The woman with active THC levels above 5 ng/mL had reported smoking four blunts per day. (Holy cow!) However, the day after smoking, her THC levels had dropped to 2.9 ng/mL. Every other participant's THC levels had dropped even lower by day two as well. By day six, the levels were undetectable in most of the participants—and all of them were far below 5 ng/mL. (For the record, this research and the DUI provision in I-502 both concern active THC, not inactive THC metabolites.)

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And here's the section of the law specifying THC and not metabolites:

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Originally Posted by top of page 9 of that pdf

"THC concentration" means nanograms of delta-9
tetrahydrocannabinol per milliliter of a person's whole blood. THC
concentration does not include measurement of the metabolite THC-COOH,
also known as carboxy-THC.

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It is actually a fairly reasonable DUI standard for cannabis. Since there is no breathalyzer equipment for THC, officers would have to administer a field sobriety test and then take suspects back to the station to draw blood and administer a test.

Way to go CO!

https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php...ctureid=749879

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Originally Posted by Mazderati

MMJ looks to pass in MA.

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BANG!

question 3 passes! Come on New Hampshire! The last New England state that doesn't allow for medical marijuana is the "live free or die" state. Get it done up there!

legalization CAN'T be that far away. I figure just a couple more years. I wonder if there will be any stigma with having a few plants out in my suburbanite yard once the ganj is legal? Will the neighbors who do homebrewing look at me in disgust? Fuck 'em.

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Originally Posted by vinzclortho

legalization CAN'T be that far away. I figure just a couple more years. I wonder if there will be any stigma with having a few plants out in my suburbanite yard once the ganj is legal? Will the neighbors who do homebrewing look at me in disgust? Fuck 'em.

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Dude, I seriously doubt that your neighbors who homebrew would be offended by you growing. If anything, they might want to collaborate on a green dragon-style beer. C'mon, they're homebrewers. My trolley car suburb neighborhood is full of young families who homebrew and have elaborate vegetable gardens, keep semi-illegal bees and chickens, etc. Admittedly, this is a very liberal town, but when you smell someone lighting one up from the other side of the fenceline, you have no idea which house it is unless they offer to pass it to you through the fence.

Congrats to the many maggots in Colorado or Washington. I'm going to really look forward to my next ski trip to Baker or bike trip to Fruita - while I would never do anything illegal under federal law, you freedom-loving types are promoting the sort of cool and relaxed atmosphere that will be rewarded with the money from my vacation budget. Tell your elected representatives.

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Originally Posted by Adamantium

The provision in Washington explicitly states 5 ng/mL of THC, not THC-COOH which is the metabolite that stays in your system for hours/days. THC proper is only in the blood stream for a few hours. Here's a chart showing how long these substances last in the bloodstream:

http://i.imgur.com/8yyBv.png

Here's an article with astudy showing the same thing.

And here's the section of the law specifying THC and not metabolites:


It is actually a fairly reasonable DUI standard for cannabis. Since there is no breathalyzer equipment for THC, officers would have to administer a field sobriety test and then take suspects back to the station to draw blood and administer a test.

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You forgot to add the part that says it will take eight hours to get clean enough to drive.

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This is awesome news, but I wonder, even after alcohol prohibition ended, there was still a lot of illegal liquor because people didn't want to pay taxes. I predict most people continue to buy their weed from a dealer who doesnt pay taxes on it, and cops will continue to enforce the illegality of untaxed weed.

Anyone know how CO and Wash will get their supplys? I know that they already have the medical weed infrastructure, but it seems they would need much more than that can provide. Will there be state grows to support need?

More importantly, any thoughts on when I can go to a store and buy it?

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Originally Posted by NoPostholio

Anyone know how CO and Wash will get their supplys? I know that they already have the medical weed infrastructure, but it seems they would need much more than that can provide. Will there be state grows to support need?

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Pharmaceutical and big tobacco companies.

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Originally Posted by AdironRider

More importantly, any thoughts on when I can go to a store and buy it?

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I read somewhere early in 2014 I'll try to find the link.

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Originally Posted by 45hill

Pharmaceutical and big tobacco companies.

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Thought I read somewhere Big Tobbacco was pretty much ready to roll on this, even down to trademarks, etc.

Obviously, it needs to be grown, etc so theres some time there.

Its funny, cus lots of drugs, like opiates, I trust what comes from the pharma companies more than I would trust the quality/purity/cleanliness of something off the street, but honestly I would be wary to smoke tobacco companies pot. I would be concerned it was full of preservatives at the least, and probably infused with nicotine or something too.

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Originally Posted by vinzclortho

Come on New Hampshire! The last New England state that doesn't allow for medical marijuana is the "live free or die" state. Get it done up there!

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I wish! The 'live free or die' is such a farce, but the tide is turning. We have an incredible amount of conservative people in this state, but the influx of former MA residents are certainly influencing our elections.

CO rocks!

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Originally Posted by NoPostholio

Anyone know how CO and Wash will get their supplys? I know that they already have the medical weed infrastructure, but it seems they would need much more than that can provide. Will there be state grows to support need?

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Oct 2013 will be the first opportunity to get licenses for distribution establishments i believe http://www.regulatemarijuana.org/s/r...cohol-act-2012.

Anyone can grow it, unlike tobacco. You can give away an ounce, any sales are to be taxed.

Tobacco companies will certainly jump in this game. Scary. Feed, chemicals, Mold and insects are a big problems for grows and I think a major corporation will only fuck it up worse, cause cancers, and be a pain in the ass.

You will see the same regulations that cigarettes have in terms of second hand smoke, smoking laws, and public safety laws.

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Originally Posted by DasBlunt

Oct 2013 will be the first opportunity to get licenses for distribution establishments i believe http://www.regulatemarijuana.org/s/r...cohol-act-2012.

Anyone can grow it, unlike tobacco. You can give away an ounce, any sales are to be taxed.

Tobacco companies will certainly jump in this game. Scary. Feed, chemicals, Mold and insects are a big problems for grows and I think a major corporation will only fuck it up worse, cause cancers, and be a pain in the ass.

You will see the same regulations that cigarettes have in terms of second hand smoke, smoking laws, and public safety laws.

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To be honest, Big Tobacco wont let that crap fly as it will hurt the bottom line. No business, whether its the stoner down the street growing in his garage or in a massive big ag field wants to toss away product.

Now additives...thats what worries me.

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Originally Posted by AdironRider

Now additives...thats what worries me.

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Yeah, there was a big deal with a certain brand of feed recently here and in Cali. Caused all sorts of liver damage. Major growers were using it.

I bet Bobby Stainless knows the rest.

Once the vote is all finalized, for someone completely new to growing...

How difficult is it to maintain 6 plants?
Will six plants provide enough weed for a recreational user?
How difficult is it to get seeds for really good weed in CO?
What kind of cost is there associated with growing and maintaining 6 plants?
How much space would one need? If you live in an apartment, can you just grow it next to the window? Does it stink while it is growing?

With the federal law issues, one would think it would be best to pick up supplies for growing rather then having them mailed to you...duh! It also seems that it may be easier to just buy it, but as mentioned above...seems like there are going to be a TON of issues with that. Thx

EDIT: I guess I can do some online research and get all these answers...sorry. Also, I bet once this all pans out, AeroGarden will sell a crap load of units...plus I think they are in Boulder...haha

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Originally Posted by gretch6364

Once the vote is all finalized, for someone completely new to growing...

How difficult is it to maintain 6 plants?
Will six plants provide enough weed for a recreational user?
How difficult is it to get seeds for really good weed in CO?
What kind of cost is there associated with growing and maintaining 6 plants?
How much space would one need? If you live in an apartment, can you just grow it next to the window? Does it stink while it is growing?

With the federal law issues, one would think it would be best to pick up supplies for growing rather then having them mailed to you...duh! It also seems that it may be easier to just buy it, but as mentioned above...seems like there are going to be a TON of issues with that. Thx

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This is quick, not an end-all to your questions but;

6 plants would be easy. You have to watch them, work on em every day, but they only need water every few days.
6 plants would be plenty of weed. But, it depends on how much to toke. A heavy smoker can go through an ounce in less than two weeks, but most people aren't that ridiculous with it. It also depends on if you want to convert your trimmings and small nugs into hash which would make you yield go further.
Seeds shouldn't be hard to find, especially in CO. Ask your friends with a card. Honestly if its your first grow, going from clones would be easier and they're guaranteed to be female. and bomb.
Your costs are gonna be the initial purchase of lights, a grow tent, fertilizers, soil, clones, fans, etc. Then you gotta pay your electricity which will spike dramatically (possibly $100/month).. That is, unless you grow outside which you can only do in the summer.
It doesn't smell till it really starts flowering, but at that point it REEKS. I like the smell though. I'm not sure exactly how much room you'd need but for 6 plants you might need a little more than a small closet, probably a walk-in.

I don't think the feds mess around with small time recreational growers, but even if they did, the easiest place to buy is your local hydroponics store.

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Originally Posted by DasBlunt

Tobacco companies will certainly jump in this game. Scary. Feed, chemicals, Mold and insects are a big problems for grows and I think a major corporation will only fuck it up worse, cause cancers, and be a pain in the ass.

You will see the same regulations that cigarettes have in terms of second hand smoke, smoking laws, and public safety laws.

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Hello Monsanto.

This is one reason I voted no when it was on the ballot in California. It is basically legal here, 100 dollar fine that no cop writes anyway. I have a lot of friends that grow and the entire economy of northern California would be shut down.

uugghh - toebacky and big pharma involved

that stinks

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Originally Posted by Zeedashbo

You forgot to add the part that says it will take eight hours to get clean enough to drive.

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The plot you quoted shows concentrations dropping to under 5 ng/mL (the legal limit set by the new law) at 2 hours.

i.e. for most people, 2-3 hours after is long enough to not get a DUI.

edit: Here is the original article from the Journal of Analytical Toxicology which produced the data points that were reproduced in the plot I posted, which you quoted.

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Originally Posted by AdironRider

Now additives...thats what worries me.

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Pretty sure both laws have regulations stating that licensed growers and sellers must submit their product for testing, just like alcohol currently. This should help make sure dangerous pesticides etc. aren't used.

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Originally Posted by BRUTAH

btw, the dui provision is bullshit. the 5 ng/mL level is just a number someone picked. there is no study showing that 5 ng/mL actually impairs someone so that they are incapable to drive. plus if someone is a habitual pot smoker it takes even longer for the THC levels in our blood to lower. that shit needs to be worked out, otherwise, you're going to see people getting dui's that are completely sober except that joint they smoked the night before.

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I just don't see DUI's going up relative to the fear mongering going on about it. I smoked a j the night before so now my driving sucks in the morning enough to get pulled over? I know cops are prone to abuse probable cause but if I'm not breaking the law speeding or driving recklessly then why should I all of the sudden be concerned about 5ng/mL limits?

If I get in an accident and I'm suspected of being impaired, the 5ng/mL may snag some people.

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Originally Posted by BRUTAH

you don't think there is a pretty serious weed industry/infrastructure already established in the united states. I'm not sure an outside pharma company could really compete unless they come in and buy existing farms. Plus i think its still a little risky for a large company to invest in it seeing that its still illegal federally and federal enforcement on marijuana laws could change with a president. though it would be pretty scary and sad if mansanto got footing in the weed game......

does this mean the dispensaries in CO and OR will be open to anyone in 2013?
will there now be dispensaries in WA?

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Dispensaries in CO will NOT be open to the public because Medical laws have not changed. Prices will go down.

You will need a permit etc, to have any sort of weed business in CO, and that will not happen until next Oct 2013. Personal use and law enforcement will change as soon as the votes are verified.

MOFO answered your trolling questions. Do some more research before you spew non-sensacial shit.

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Originally Posted by Mofro261

I just don't see DUI's going up relative to the fear mongering going on about it. I smoked a j the night before so now my driving sucks in the morning enough to get pulled over? I know cops are prone to abuse probable cause but if I'm not breaking the law speeding or driving recklessly then why should I all of the sudden be concerned about 5ng/mL limits?

If I get in an accident and I'm suspected of being impaired, the 5ng/mL may snag some people.

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Have to agree with that logic. Plus the whole drawing blood thing will be its own worst enemy....there is a reason it is not used currently except in isolated occasions (death or serious accident?) - can't see it being too feasible to take blood from too many people and I could see the bar set pretty high for using it.

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Originally Posted by flowing alpy

ganjapendance my friend does not involve either of those bullies, we will get you there additive free.
my stank dont lie .

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true dat. I see growing in my future, just not in the near future because I sense my 14yo is already aware.

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Originally Posted by Zeedashbo

You forgot to add the part that says it will take eight hours to get clean enough to drive.

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And that was assuming a 3.5% joint. Who wants to smoke shitty pot?

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Originally Posted by flowing alpy

lot of dudes east of the misissippi i've heard

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Funny, I live east off the Misssissippi. Maybe only a few miles but still east of the Mississippi.

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Originally Posted by flowing alpy

lot of dudes east of the misissippi i've heard

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Quality of product was never the problem - my personal issue was always where it came from. Something created in local enviro has totally different vibe I have come to notice since this summers travels.
The E o Miss iss ippi prob is finding and keeping a consistent source. My hopes with these hudge political steps being taken is that this country can finally de stigmatize something that is such a plus to so many people. Person should feel no different with johnny walker black on rocks or 1/8th of your fav bud.

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Originally Posted by gretch6364

Once the vote is all finalized, for someone completely new to growing...

How difficult is it to maintain 6 plants?
Will six plants provide enough weed for a recreational user?
How difficult is it to get seeds for really good weed in CO?
What kind of cost is there associated with growing and maintaining 6 plants?
How much space would one need? If you live in an apartment, can you just grow it next to the window? Does it stink while it is growing?

With the federal law issues, one would think it would be best to pick up supplies for growing rather then having them mailed to you...duh! It also seems that it may be easier to just buy it, but as mentioned above...seems like there are going to be a TON of issues with that. Thx

EDIT: I guess I can do some online research and get all these answers...sorry. Also, I bet once this all pans out, AeroGarden will sell a crap load of units...plus I think they are in Boulder...haha

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1. It's easy to grow 6 plants.
2. I can get just under 2 pounds off of 6 plants. I know guys that can get 2 pounds per plant though.
3. seedbay.com and seedboutique.com
4. Depends on how high tech you want to go. Plasma lights are 1500 each.
5. Get a 4x4 tent or a 4x8 tent. Craigslist is a great place to buy grow equipment.
6. Yes it smells.
7. You have to replicate a night/day cycle to flower weed, so you can not grow it by a window, and expect any kind of results.

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Originally Posted by flowing alpy

lot of dudes east of the misissippi i've heard

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why so much hate for the east?
yer kinda of a douche, guy.

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Originally Posted by systemoverblow'd

If you dickheads spent half your time studying something of worth over your marijuana strains you'd be fucking rich beyond belief.

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Wonder if anyone is going to make any money off this whole worthless weed growing thing?

Fucking idiot.

I'be been doing fine on the east side of things for about 25 years. All depends on the genetics. No complaints yet.

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Bobby that is sum ignant shit right there. For real


In other news Vermont passed 70% for the first EC state to make recreational use legal. Granted its a feeler vote for now. VT is the best state in the east to live in by far. I know Buttah disagrees ;)

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Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless

1. It's easy to grow 6 plants.

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1 2 3 4 5 6....
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Smoke up Johnny

edit: the sun will do just fine as well 1 2 3 4 5 6...
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Originally Posted by thin cover

Bobby that is sum ignant shit right there. For real


In other news Vermont passed 70% for the first EC state to make recreational use legal. Granted its a feeler vote for now. VT is the best state in the east to live in by far. I know Buttah disagrees ;)

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Prob my fault more - all my bellyaching about poor access helped shape bfberg's view - just tough for me here....never have a problem if I wanna drive to beantown. I blame the sawx for sucking so bad that I never want to go there. And Boston has some kickass weed.

TC - you are right about VT - If I could live in two spots it would be Nov to April in underhill center and rest of year on hood river somewhere close to couple volcanos

i'll tell ya it works bobo.
it works like this.
go fuck yourself, bobo.

das cunt and you, really love shiting on the east.
you and he are bros, breh?

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Originally Posted by flowing alpy

tell buttaflake how it works round my house and how we got no time for hate.

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You and Rog found common ground....it is just bad nh > wash dynamic
can't we all just get a bong?

This might be the only thread I have never seen rog post in - maybe non indulger?

I will call that a win...

Washington weed will be grown in Washington by Washingtonians.

At least that's what the law says will happen. I am doing my best to make sure that wagon has a seat for me.


Weekend after next Chris bobby. I'll relieve you of fire wood and we can spark some trees.

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Originally Posted by Mofro261

true dat. I see growing in my future, just not in the near future because I sense my 14yo is already aware.

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I bet your 14 year old has already smoked and is pilfering your stash.

I was.