NSR: Outlook problems with Vista?

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Originally Posted by Mr. Altagirl

Cool, thank you! I bought the KIS when I bought the laptop and had it installed @ CompUSA when they set up the machine for the first time. I'll try the firewall issue first and see if that helps (disabling the email anti-virus has helped already). Thanks everyone.

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You may just want to set it on fire and toss it over the neighbor's fence. Firewall indeed. What?

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Originally Posted by belgian

MACS SUCK.

Overpriced, monopolized bullshit in a shiny case. Easily as many if not more problems as a PC. And don't give me the "virus free" schtick. Fact is macs crash just as often as PCs but mac owner are generally clueless as to what is going on with a computer, which is why they bought a mac in the first place.

The ONE and ONLY reason to purchase a mac is if you have NO clue what you're doing with a computer. Then they're great, they come with all the basic shit you'll need and in a pretty, semi-easy to use package. But once you're out of that range and you realize that they are overpriced, slow as mud and COMPLETELY lacking in 3rd party software then they become obsolete.

And don't give me, "well video editing, blah blah blah" because PCs are the industry standard for that also as the most powerful programs are available for pcs only. And photoshop? Same on a pc as on a mac, only it runs faster for the same price. The only problem with pcs is dealing with Microsoft, but I'd rather do that any day than deal with Apple.

In case you can't tell, Apple makes belgian MAD:

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OSX is built on a unix base. Now that macs are intel based I don't think you can get a better machine. You can run linux, osx and windows on the same box.:wink:

Have you considered using a different email program?

I have used Calypso (now Courier) for many years with a great deal of satisfaction.
http://www.rosecitysoftware.com/calypso/
It is a free download. However, I'm not sure if Vista plays with it nicely.

I also have been using Windows Live OneCare for my antivirus, etc. It actually works with the OS instead of competing with it. Microsoft has a version for Vista.

Keep us posted on your progress or if you decide to start over with a Mac.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Altagirl

Cool, thank you! I bought the KIS when I bought the laptop and had it installed @ CompUSA when they set up the machine for the first time. I'll try the firewall issue first and see if that helps (disabling the email anti-virus has helped already). Thanks everyone.

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You still need to find the account type used in Outlook (Pop3 uses one port for sending, another for receiving messages)- and the firewall has to have them opened for everything to work. If it is Exchange then it is a little different. Imap is another option that is used sometimes....

If standard pop3 then port 110 is used for incoming, outgoing sending is smtp which is port 25 so see if a rule is set for each of these in the KIS...

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Originally Posted by bcrider

No other advice to offer than to buy a Mac next time, its just a much better product with a fraction of the issues, bs, and headaches.
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I work for them (apple) ...

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AHA!! That figures! :mad:

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Originally Posted by stump832

You may just want to set it on fire and toss it over the neighbor's fence. Firewall indeed. What?

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Actually that may happen if it has a battery that is under a recall. Dell had many of the Sony batteries that would heat up, catch on fire, smoke etc. Toshiba had a few models.

http://www.csd.toshiba.com/cgi-bin/t...p?soid=1501060

Not that I want to throw MR Altagirl under the wagon (as his issue may be different) but before this thread spins off into a tangent of mac vs pc, let us remember that 99.9 % of all problems with computers has to do with user error/configuration.

Something doesn't work and people dilly with it until something else doesn't work, then it becomes the machines fault

(once agian, not saying this is the case right now)

It is the user not, the chips, case, memory and operating system.

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Originally Posted by Odin

Not that I want to throw MR Altagirl under the wagon (as his issue may be different) but before this thread spins off into a tangent of mac vs pc, let us remember that 99.9 % of all problems with computers has to do with user error/configuration.

Something doesn't work and people dilly with it until something else doesn't work, then it becomes the machines fault

(once agian, not saying this is the case right now)

It is the user not, the chips, case, memory and operating system.

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And in this case the lack of compentent techs or experts at CompUSA if the issue has been going on for a couple of months.... Users can't know everything about the workings of their systems.

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Originally Posted by belgian

MACS SUCK.

Overpriced, monopolized bullshit in a shiny case. Easily as many if not more problems as a PC. And don't give me the "virus free" schtick. Fact is macs crash just as often as PCs but mac owner are generally clueless as to what is going on with a computer, which is why they bought a mac in the first place.

The ONE and ONLY reason to purchase a mac is if you have NO clue what you're doing with a computer. Then they're great, they come with all the basic shit you'll need and in a pretty, semi-easy to use package. But once you're out of that range and you realize that they are overpriced, slow as mud and COMPLETELY lacking in 3rd party software then they become obsolete.

And don't give me, "well video editing, blah blah blah" because PCs are the industry standard for that also as the most powerful programs are available for pcs only. And photoshop? Same on a pc as on a mac, only it runs faster for the same price. The only problem with pcs is dealing with Microsoft, but I'd rather do that any day than deal with Apple.

In case you can't tell, Apple makes belgian MAD:

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I disagree. They make a really nice, well designed product with a definite market. Maybe it is aimed at the less computer literate crowd. But, guess what, not everyone is a "computer person". They have great ideas and make a slick and stylish machine that runs well. They really aren't that overpriced anymore and the software thing is pretty much a non-issue at this point.

I run linux and windows myself. But, I'm a computer hardware and software engineer. Hating on mac's these days is like hating on snowboarders. Tired and pointless.

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Originally Posted by BakerBunny

AHA!! That figures! :mad:

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That's bullshit Tim.

Just because I work for a company doesn't mean I'm going to lie to my friends. Same goes for when I talk about my sponsors, I'm not afraid to tell it like it is. For example, one of my sponsors is Mountain Hardwear and I'm not afraid to say that I think they've lost their edge now that they've been purchased by Columbia. Or that their products aren't for everyone. With Apple though there just aren't too many issues to talk about. :biggrin:

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Originally Posted by Odin

before this thread spins off into a tangent of mac vs pc

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Now that Mr. Altagirl got the help he needed can we turn it into a mac vs pc thread? :)

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Originally Posted by belgian

MACS SUCK.

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Yo B,
The video you posted was cute and all but not very accurate at all, nor are your comments. Macs as a whole have no where near the issues as PC. They're not overpriced either when you look at what you're getting. Regarding virues, there are over 114,000 viruses for PC and there are currently zero (?) known file infecting viruses for the mac. Even if mac spotted you 100 virues, that's still 114,000 vs 100. This is fact, not marketing. Don't take my word for it though...check out what symantec has to say. http://www.symantec.com/enterprise/s...s_x_virus.html

In regards to crashes, sure I've had an apple app crash on me a couple times but its no where near as often as when I use my pc. Could this be different for other users using different apps? Sure, but as a whole the mac is MUCH more stable due to the unix foundation. Another fact not marketing. As far as getting out of the range of basic use, can you be more specific to what you've had issues with? Re third party apps, there are thousands upon thousands of apps available for the Mac OS. You just turned 19 right? Are you talking about gaming software? If so then you're right, there are more games available on PC. Look for more offerings in the near future though for the mac from game companies such as EA and ID.
http://www.macnewsworld.com/story/57809.html

Re the video editing. At the consumer level there's no denying that Macs make it much easier to make a video. At the pro level, while Final Cut Pro is widely used, you're right its not the industry standard. A couple thoughts on that, just because something is the industry standard doesn't mean everything. It could be the standard for other reasons like price and availability which is different than ease of use and performance. It will be interesting to see what the standard is in say 10 years. Re photoshop, now that photoshop (CS3) has been optimized for the intel based macs I don't think your statement is correct. I can check on it. PC has mac beat when it comes to CAD software and some very specialized software that is only written for pc but who knows what the future will bring. With the boot camp option of being able to run windows (and associated apps) natively on a mac it pretty much negates that anyway.

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Originally Posted by Cyber Cop

You can run linux, osx and windows on the same box.:wink:

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Not only that but in a lot of tests the Windows OS even runs more stable on mac hardware. :)

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Originally Posted by RShea

And in this case the lack of compentent techs or experts at CompUSA if the issue has been going on for a couple of months.... Users can't know everything about the workings of their systems.

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Yeah its one thing to buy a pc and its another to buy it from a reseller like CompUSA. You might as well cut off your nose to spite your face. I'm curious as to the advantage of buying from a third party as opposed to buying direct from the mfg. Same goes for the extended warranty and support plans. Why by that from a third party when you can get it (along with the computer) direct from the source like with apple. Another thing to consider is that apple makes the hardware AND the OS. Microsoft just makes the OS to run on a multitude of mfg's machines. I guess this adds variety and competitive pricing for the consumer but it also adds to the headache and finger pointing when the shit hits the fan.


Ps. belgin, re the shiny box. You're right macs do come in a shiny box. As for pc, well you can do the math. ;)
http://images.apple.com/imac/images/...4_20070807.jpg

Macs aren't for everyone but they are a great machine for a lot of folks.

I like the way smolakian put it as well.:yourock:

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Originally Posted by smolakian

They make a really nice, well designed product with a definite market. Maybe it is aimed at the less computer literate crowd. But, guess what, not everyone is a "computer person". They have great ideas and make a slick and stylish machine that runs well. They really aren't that overpriced anymore and the software thing is pretty much a non-issue at this point.

I run linux and windows myself. But, I'm a computer hardware and software engineer. Hating on mac's these days is like hating on snowboarders. Tired and pointless.

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A lot of people don't have any valid reasons to hate on mac, they just don't like the fanatical, often snobish tone of the mac user. Don't hate the palyer....

And finally, I'll add my own cute little video too. Only it doesnt really pick a side it just pokes fun at both mac and pc. :biggrin:

bcrider,

I agree with some of the items you bring up. The fact that APple has fewer viruses comes down to target too though- Linux is based on Unix and can run on a PC too as an alternate OS (just like you can now do Mac OS and Windows with your Intel boxes.) It also has fewer viruses out there and one strength of Vista is the security and running things more protected so the system is not run under administrator mode all the time.

But hardware wise you are much more limited and closed too.

Also there have been boner things Apple and Mac have done over the years- including allowing installs of newer upgrade OS's on Macs a few years back that were not compatible and could not handle something about the OS and end users having Mac's that were then door stops until they got a replacement system board (this was pre OS 10 so I'd have to search for the specific details.)