The same thing scares me about him that does with Hilary.
They both crave the Presidency too much.
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The same thing scares me about him that does with Hilary.
They both crave the Presidency too much.
yeah, who would spend 2 years and $150 million to make $400k and stress out for 4 years? Either a messiah complex (current occupant), megalomaniac (last occupant) or altruism (FDR?).
"The Republicans don't have that; particularly among the conservatives there's a real split. They just don't see candidates who reflect their interests and who they also view as viable."
... 2 scary words, Jeb Bush.
The GOP will prop him up and make him run, the same way they did it with W. And a lot of people will be stupid enough to vote for him.
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Originally Posted by PNWbrit
PNWBrit, I'm generally in agreement with you on most points, but this has me a little flumoxed. I wouldn't really want someone who didn't want to be president doing the job.
And I would disagree with this statement regarding Obama, he was pushed into this by the people surrounding him.
I can see the statement holding some water with regard to hillary. Every move that she has made since Bill left the White House was made with an eye towards the presidency, I'm not quite sure if I see that with Mr. Obama.
Masslib - trying to be elected president, aspiring to be president, feeling qualified to be president is different from McCain & Hilary's almost carnal craving for it.
That's who/what/why it scares me.
Other points of concern are that McCain is a spittle flecked, border line senile bitter old man who seems prepared to align with anyone and say anything that get's him a step closer. That and I find the whole concept of "war hero" rather disturbing and not something that should be regarded as a qualification for a head of state.
At some point the polarity of the right wing zealot control of the Republican Party and the special interests control of the Democrat Party may pop a hole big enough for a viable candidate from somewhere near the middle who doesn't kow-tow to the freligous fruitcakes or the mobbunions to get elected...wouldn't that be something.
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Originally Posted by grrrr
Ron Paul?
I'm tired of these congressman that are playing this BS line that they were some how fooled by Bush and Cheney. Fooled, mind you, by a president they all think is an idiot. Secondly, his attempt to discount McCain's take on Iraq saying that he had no idea what it was like "on the ground" in Vietnam. He was on the ground in a prison for how long?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tippster
secondly, I'm surprised you'd support a guy that went to Washington as a staffer and returned home to leverage his connections to profit from telecommunications in Nebraska.
I'll second that Tippster. He really strikes me as an independent thinker. On a personal note - I met him at an event in Omaha, NE during some speaking tour in 2002. Through a network of friends, etc... I was briefly introduced and the subject came up that I was getting married that coming summer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tippster
Fast forward... I was re-introduced to him (by the same people) a few years later at a OCS Marine Corps graduation for one of my friends. After I told him my name and shook his hand, he asked "how was the wedding?"
http://biden.senate.gov/newsroom/det...fm?id=189649&&Quote:
Originally Posted by Tippster
"Although no one doubts our forces will prevail over Saddam Hussein's, key regional leaders confirm what the Foreign Relations Committee emphasized in its Iraq hearings last summer: The most challenging phase will likely be the day after -- or, more accurately, the decade after -- Saddam Hussein.
Once he is gone, expectations are high that coalition forces will remain in large numbers to stabilize Iraq and support a civilian administration. That presence will be necessary for several years, given the vacuum there, which a divided Iraqi opposition will have trouble filling and which some new Iraqi military strongman must not fill. Various experts have testified that as many as 75,000 troops may be necessary, at a cost of up to $ 20 billion a year. That does not include the cost of the war itself, or the effort to rebuild Iraq.
Americans are largely unprepared for such an undertaking. President Bush must make clear to the American people the scale of the commitment."
How did we get from we'll be there for ten years to we should cut and run?
Their op-ed seemed prescient at the time. i wouldn't even mind an I told you so from Hagel. but to now say that we need to cut and run asap is an abandonment of both our troops and the iraqi citizenry that would rival our abandonment of Vietnam.
his wife has a nice rack............for an old coot.
Come on, there's only three of those little white squares between them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danno
After all those posts refuting any comparison to the war in Vietnam...Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_gyptian
I'll just return to what I said when this whole damn affair started:
1. The war will serve to aid recruitment of al quaeda terrorists.
2. We can't afford the pricetag, which is going to be more than the administration is telling.
And I'll throw in an "I told you so."
Yeah, me too, along with the senior Bush.
And the difference between this and Nam was the draft. This wouldn't have even happened with a draft.
Keep saying we should leave. How many US troops have died because the terrorists killing them feel like they're winning do to your sentiment?
hmmmmm.....who might this alias be........
Reading comprehension - Did I say we should leave now? I said we should never have gone. Now, the issue is not so simple. I don't think we can "win" this war...what started as a deposing has turned into a civil war, as often happens when power is toppled. We are spending money we can't afford on the war. The other side of it is all of the years of acrimony this war will create afterward when we pull out...just as Vietnam did.
Spelling - it's "due", not "do".
And finally, the Moron Factor - I am quite sure that every terrorist who reads my posts on TGR will be very encouraged to go get themselves a brand new car bomb instead of quivering in their sandals at what I might otherwise do to them.
the differences are quite a bit more divergent than a draft.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benny Profane
I'm just sayin'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benny Profane
Lots of people are for the war in Iraq.
Not the majority, but TGR doesn't represent real world thoughts very well as a whole.
You're saying only one poster on TGR has been for the war in Iraq?
Wow, do you ever leave your shell?
Sorry grammar police. I agree the war is way too expensive.Quote:
Originally Posted by grrrr
Your mentality (which is widespred) is the problem, not your superficial posts on TGR.
Mr Egyptian....gotta be......
Go to the Tony Snow school of typing bullshit?Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_gyptian
Yup, he's the only guy on this board that doesn't have beliefs all the way far left!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Benny Profane
Are you really that dumb?!
Little slow at the dearlership today? Of course, you're trying to sell...Fords. I understand. I'd be bitter, too.
You're right - they totally didn't bomb us before we started talking about leaving. The reason people are for a phased withdrawal of our troops (not cut and running, idiots - that's Hannityspeak) is because the Iraqi leadership has shown little to no inclination of governing/ policing themselves and thus keeping our troops out of harm's way.Quote:
Originally Posted by GI JONG
I support my troops, and their efforts, by trying to KEEP THEM ALIVE.
Commie!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tippster
...errr...
Liberal!
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Heathen!
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Faggot!
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Jew!
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Christian!
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(from the School of Useless Pejoratives Wielded By Weenies)
Being bombed into submission and leaving =losing. Sugar coat that all you want.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tippster
Troops are trained to fight. Period. Battle of the Bulge anyone?
Lets get some REAL media in Iraq to give us an idea of how things are really going. I doubt anyone posting in this thread has a solid grasp on the reality of everyday life in Iraq and the real state of that country.
Prove to me Iraqis cannot and aren't capable of self-governing a democratic society. Also prove to me most Iraqis don't want us there. When you do both, I'll say it's time to cut and run.
Meh. Meh meh meh.
Freaky old guys like McMain make ole OneBean glad she can toss her own salad - oh wait - this isn't the Gayest Alias Thread?
A typo, you say?
Sorry.
As you were.
And that's exactly the problem. I was in support of the invasion way back before this whole thing started because I believed that maybe, just maybe the Bush administration would really be inspired by the ideas of Thomas Barnett as he wrote about in The Pentagon's New Map. I thought they really would try to "integrate the gap" that is Iraq and have a decent plan in place including the establishment and training of a "sys admin" force capable of securing and rebuilding the country after your "Troops" were done with their shock and awe. It's really too bad I was mistaken.Quote:
Originally Posted by GI JONG
I was thinking the other day how Putin has got to be getting a real hard on about this. His army is well rested and beyond bad memories, and ours is fucked for probably ten years. If there is no draft. But that won't work, either.
coming from a fifty year old guy that has convinced himself that renting an apartment is a financially savvy move, that really stings. how many lesbians mistook your forester for their own this week benny?Quote:
Originally Posted by Benny Profane
and owens or tate can tell you I've never done the alias bit.
I keep telling you, sweetcakes, I like lesbians. We both have a serious hobby we both share a big, ahem, liking for.
Could TWO people be so wrong??Quote:
Originally Posted by OneBeanSalad
BWAH.
I'd vote for John Mclane.
I'm still not saying we should get out of Iraq right now. The problems is, we got so fucked over going in, that there is no good answer now.Quote:
Originally Posted by GI JONG
If we stay - the war drags on, Al Quiada continues to recruit to fight the American menace, we continue to have political division in this country over the war.
If we leave - civil war is likely in Iraq, the region continues to be de-stabilized, and we have political unrest over the "abondonment", as we did in Vietnam.
Unfortuantely, we failed to learn the lessons of Vietnam and are now force to repeat them.
The Republicans have paid a price for supporting the war...soon the Democrats will pay a price for quitting it. And we'll have 20 years of Veterans blaming the government for failing them.
As far as lots of people being for the war in Iraq...politicians are siding up to count this election as a referendum on Iraq. Unfortunate for them - because whoever wins that argument will lose when the pendulum swings again.
If you are so tough, why can't you post from your real login?Quote:
Originally Posted by GI JONG
Is it because too many people think Hurricane/Blurred/GI Jong is an absolute spineless coward on the internets?
My fingers was a'twitchin' as it surely begged the question...
WHO THE FUCK IS JOHN McMAIN?
I fought it off. Whew. :redface:
Perhaps Ed McBain?
Don McLean??
Go American Pie...
tee hee.
(Tipp, you're a trouble maker... :) )