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10-05-2007, 03:23 AM
subtle plague

Quote:

Originally Posted by alpinedad

El C -- D10s are DIN 17, right? Predecessor of the FF17?

no. basically race bindings with different din.
mine go from 10-19.

and i think the din can vary under the same name. (i believe i saw some going to 20 or 18)
10-05-2007, 07:59 AM
El Chupacabra

Quote:

Originally Posted by alpinedad

El C -- D10s are DIN 17, right? Predecessor of the FF17?

The ones I bent are the yellow ones from Level Nine, which I think were sold as the FF17 (DIN 6-17? something like that), but they have D10 on the heelpiece.
10-05-2007, 09:31 AM
The Dad

The $59 deal? I'll have to check mine, but I think they say FF17 all over.
10-05-2007, 09:57 AM
El Chupacabra

Quote:

Originally Posted by alpinedad

The $59 deal? I'll have to check mine, but I think they say FF17 all over.

Same $59 ones. Now you have me wondering if I saw that right or am just losing it... I'm pretty sure it said D10.
10-06-2007, 08:06 AM
El Chupacabra

Checked. The FF17s I have are marked "d10" on the sides of the heelpieces.
10-06-2007, 06:52 PM
Crass3000

I was told that the brakes that fit Salomon S9xx and Zxx will not work as direct replacements for at least the new Solomon high DIN bindings (maybe other new ones). As Alpinedad mentioned... you MAY be able to swap the arms out but if you're buying fat brakes this is something to keep in mind.
10-06-2007, 07:08 PM
El Chupacabra

Photos to help the brake-bending JONGs:

From left to right: Look Pivot/ Rossi Axial brakes -- (L) unbent 80mm standard narrow brake, (center) unbent 98mm-ish wide brake, (R) bent way out 80mm narrow brakes, now approx. 150mm brakes.
10-06-2007, 07:10 PM
El Chupacabra

Tyrolia FF17/ D10 brakes:

(L) unbent 80mm-ish narrow brakes
(R) bent 80mm brakes, now approx. 140mm width
10-06-2007, 07:10 PM
number nine

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crass3000

I was told that the brakes that fit Salomon S9xx and Zxx will not work as direct replacements for at least the new Solomon high DIN bindings (maybe other new ones). As Alpinedad mentioned... you MAY be able to swap the arms out but if you're buying fat brakes this is something to keep in mind.

The arm swap is so simple that if it's an issue you prolly shouldn't be dealing with your brakes at all
10-08-2007, 08:44 PM
Deep Days

Could anyone confirm the 110 number for the Duke? I could order a pair tomorrow (and from what I understand, ONLY tomorrow), but my decision is sorta based on whether I'd have to buy wide brakes or not. I've never seen a Marker brake bent, so I'm not sure how that would fare going from 80 mm to 120 mm (Lotus 120). But if it really is 110, then that's no issue.
10-08-2007, 08:46 PM
leroy jenkins

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deep Days

Could anyone confirm the 110 number for the Duke? I could order a pair tomorrow (and from what I understand, ONLY tomorrow), but my decision is sorta based on whether I'd have to buy wide brakes or not. I've never seen a Marker brake bent, so I'm not sure how that would fare going from 80 mm to 120 mm (Lotus 120). But if it really is 110, then that's no issue.

110 Is the narrowest option. I think the other is 125 or around there, but would probably fit the 120s a bit better.
10-08-2007, 10:29 PM
Deep Days

Quote:

Originally Posted by leroy jenkins

110 Is the narrowest option. I think the other is 125 or around there, but would probably fit the 120s a bit better.

Sick. Hopefully there will be a marker rep there tomorrow night (pro-form ordering with the ski team), but I wanted to come equipped with knowledge in case there wasn't and the team just had forms.
10-08-2007, 11:07 PM
leroy jenkins

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deep Days

Sick. Hopefully there will be a marker rep there tomorrow night (pro-form ordering with the ski team), but I wanted to come equipped with knowledge in case there wasn't and the team just had forms.

I've heard marker is already sold out. They might have a separate stock for pro forms, but I doubt it. I'd pm ptex1 and see what kind of price he could do for you.
10-08-2007, 11:18 PM
The Dad

Quote:

Originally Posted by El Chupacabra

Checked. The FF17s I have are marked "d10" on the sides of the heelpieces.

I'll be damned. Mine say "d10" on toes and heels. Then again, the label says "Freeflex Plus" and then "10." Makes sense that they'd have thought these were only DIN-10 bindings.

Other than the Freeflex bases, though, these look like the same clamps as the Mojo 15s, so I assume they're just the FF17s with a different paint job.
10-09-2007, 08:29 AM
Dirk Diggler

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deep Days

Sick. Hopefully there will be a marker rep there tomorrow night (pro-form ordering with the ski team), but I wanted to come equipped with knowledge in case there wasn't and the team just had forms.

Good luck with Ricky the CO Marker rep. Dude was pretty clueless when I listened to his presentation on the Duke. At least he admitted that he didn't know much about AT bindings in general. :frown:
12-06-2007, 01:13 PM
LeeLau

Quote:

Originally Posted by alpinedad

Fritschi

Diamir/Freeride brake arms are 100% interchangeable with Salomon brake arms. (Only the arms themselves are interchangeable; you have to disassemble the arms from the brake base plates to swap.)

Fritschi standard brakes are approx. 94mm wide; Fritschi wide brakes are approx. 105mm wide. Because of the height of the Fritschi binding above the ski, Fritschi brake arms have a very long "downward" section to penetrate the snow -- which is nice, because if you rebend them for use on a Salomon binding, you can effectively make a very wide brake for uber-fat skis, without running out of brake arm.

I am trying to disassemble the older style Fritschi wide brakes to get the brake arms off the assembly.

These are older style - ie from gray yellows- I am trying to get the wide arms out to put them on a Salomon binder.

It seems to be almost impossible to get the brake arms out short of breaking the Fritschi brake assembly. I know because I've already broken one trying to force the brake arms out.

Hints? Pointers
12-06-2007, 01:44 PM
LeeLau

Nevermind - I figured it out.

The fritschi brake assembly looks like the Salomon brake arms pictured here http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...04&postcount=8

The difference is that the brake assembly of the Fritschi is tighter so it isn't quite as easy to wiggle it out. you have to pry pretty hard to get the brake arm out. Apparently I pried too hard the first time and that's why I broke a portion of the brake assembly.
12-10-2007, 06:18 PM
SkiEvil

Thanks AD, great work here.
12-10-2007, 07:02 PM
The Dad

De nada.
12-10-2007, 07:41 PM
nick > jesus

salomon 85mm brakes for praxis?

too far to bend?
12-16-2007, 09:48 AM
geo039

Bump for a great thread!
12-16-2007, 01:51 PM
bfree

duke brakes are 110 or 132 if you would like to add that.

theyre interchangable with jesters, the standard jester brake is smaller.

btw i have 110mm duke brakes if anyone needs them for some reason.
12-17-2007, 04:20 PM
The Dad

Quote:

Originally Posted by bfree

duke brakes are 110 or 132 if you would like to add that.

theyre interchangable with jesters, the standard jester brake is smaller.

Thanks for the info -- will do.
12-25-2007, 11:25 AM
SiSt

How to bend 110mm duke brakes to fit praxis here:

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...=97481&page=20
12-26-2007, 12:03 PM
The Dad

Thanks, SiSt -- editing now.
01-14-2008, 10:26 PM
Smails

One thing on Markers and wide breaks. I didn't want to start a thread on this alone, but if people don't already know (1) the high din bindings ie Comp 18 or 20 take a different brake then the low din Markers even though they look virtually identical at first glance, and (2) the brake arms can be removed individually from either of the two type of brake mechanisms with a little elbow grease and pulling in the right directions. You can then pull the narrow brake arms from the brake mechanism that fit the high din markers using the same amount of elbow grease and replace them with the wide metal break arms from the lower din binders. Wide breaks for low din markers are much easier to find (and cheap) so they can just be used to steal the brake arms from and discarded.
01-14-2008, 11:50 PM
The Dad

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smails

One thing on Markers and wide breaks. I didn't want to start a thread on this alone, but if people don't already know (1) the high din bindings ie Comp 18 or 20 take a different brake then the low din Markers even though they look virtually identical at first glance, and (2) the brake arms can be removed individually from either of the two type of brake mechanisms with a little elbow grease and pulling in the right directions. You can then pull the narrow brake arms from the brake mechanism that fit the high din markers using the same amount of elbow grease and replace them with the wide metal break arms from the lower din binders. Wide breaks for low din markers are much easier to find (and cheap) so they can just be used to steal the brake arms from and discarded.

Thanks -- updated accordingly.
03-11-2008, 02:52 PM
filthyfrenchbum

Quote:

Originally Posted by nick > jesus

salomon 85mm brakes for praxis?

too far to bend?

I need to do this, and so far have no access to a vise. Got a saddle post to do the bend, but I need creative ideas as of how to hold the other side of the brake real tight...

HELP!
01-12-2009, 05:50 PM
The Dad

Bump for updated info. Feel free to tell me whatever's wrong or missing.
01-12-2009, 07:58 PM
haydukelives

how far should the brake arm penetrate the snow?

or,as someone said above,do brakes matter much in powder?

are we just doing this for cosmetic reasons to get on the lift?
01-12-2009, 08:33 PM
The Dad

If you're skiing lift-served, there will be times you have to ski something less than untracked, right? And sometimes, you might lose a ski? (Or I might, anyway.)

I found a ski with a broken brake last weekend, about 500 vertical feet of where it was lost. Luckily, there weren't any people between those points.

Anyway, they might not matter that much in deep soft snow, but wouldn't you rather have the ski stop a little closer?
01-13-2009, 10:28 AM
haydukelives

i found the answer here already

Quote:

Originally Posted by El Chupacabra

Additional info: bending brakes on Tyrolia D10 Freeflex bindings (not railflex, but these do have a thin metal strap connecting the toe and heelpiece):

Don't bother remove the brakes from the bindings (I couldn't figure out how to do so). Put one brake arm in a bench vise, hold heelpiece assembly firmly with one hand (stabilizing whole assembly during bending process), bend other brake arm with short length of pipe.

Re-bend into desired length with pipe, or in my case (since I was bending these very wide for Praxis), hammer back into shape with hand sledge. I made standard narrow (80mm?) brakes into 140mm+ brakes. There isn't much left sticking down into the snow, but I don't expect brakes to do anything on pow skis anyway.

Wear gloves and eye protection, just in case.

will do as directed. i just thought that while the price of the tyrolias was great at level 9......$89 and up to like $110 for the rfd14, the price of the wide brakes was 50% of the cost of the entire binding....that didnt make sense to me
01-13-2009, 11:53 AM
The Dad

That's why I stock up on wide brakes in summer half-price sales.
01-13-2009, 12:00 PM
El Chupacabra

Quote:

Originally Posted by haydukelives

will do as directed. i just thought that while the price of the tyrolias was great at level 9......$89 and up to like $110 for the rfd14, the price of the wide brakes was 50% of the cost of the entire binding....that didnt make sense to me

FWIW, while I had no problem bending the brakes on the Tyrolias, I couldn't find any shops who had a wide jig for these bindings. Best I could find was going to be a freehand job, which was going to run $50+. So I sold the Tyrolias and am sticking with Salomon and Look/Rossi for the time being. Might want to check on this before you go through the trouble of bending the brakes...

The current Tyrolias certainly seem to be well-built bindings. Lots of metal. Not much cheesy plastic.
01-13-2009, 12:08 PM
The Dad

Quote:

Originally Posted by El Chupacabra

I couldn't find any shops who had a wide jig for these bindings.

Next time, borrow mine.
01-23-2009, 07:45 PM
likwid

Still not stickied? :(

Marker Duke/Baron/Jester/etc.

put brake arm in vice grips.
put vice grips in bench vice.
slip tubing over brake.
bend.

this worked perfectly for Hellbents. (just need a slight "tweak" outwards)

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i1...ron_brakes.jpg

Note: do not use cheap vice grips, you'll break them.
09-05-2009, 03:00 PM
Alpentele

Thanks and bump--great info in this thread
10-06-2009, 12:27 AM
The Dad

Bump for the impending season -- any updated brake info to add?
10-06-2009, 06:30 AM
stevesmith7

Before you spend $40 at Al's try Look/Rossi direct. They were mid $20s last spring.

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10-06-2009, 09:38 AM
The Dad

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevesmith7

Before you spend $40 at Al's try Look/Rossi direct. They were mid $20s last spring.

Excellent point -- thanks, Steve. Adding that thought to the main post.

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