I can relate to this :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Buster Highmen
I just thought it bore repeating.
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I can relate to this :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Buster Highmen
I just thought it bore repeating.
Agreed. In addition to skiing, I play a lot of soccer, and there are guys in my leagues who are ten years older than me (I'm 30) who just kill it. They're faster, stronger, etc. etc....and don't seem to be slowing down. Just trying to keep up with them gives me motivation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Particle
But yeah...I'm starting to feel the injuries a bit too. But I have to say....blowing out my ACL last summer and going through the rehab was probably the best thing that I could do to really get in shape. Seriously. This event was really a catalyst for me that spurned me to get stronger all around...not just in rehabbing the knee...but in endurance, upper body strength, etc. I made a promise to myself to keep up my rigorous workouts even after my knee was healed....and it's paid off in a big way and I'm having one of my most "progressive" seasons I've had in a long time.
So we'll see how long I can keep this up....just found out the other day that I have a few subluxed ribs that need to get put back in place, but at least this doesn't cause any pain (christ, i dropped hospital air with these guys out of place)....but really there's no pain in my rehabbed knee, my bruised kidney from a rock impact in January has healed nicely, and I can notice that I can take the "hits" much better than I used to so long as keep up the weight & working routine. Next year I'm planning on entering the season even stronger than this year so I can keep improving and pushing myself.
Not hucking cliffs anymore has probably helped me stay healed as well ;)
Hey, look! he is wearing first generation Dynafit AT boots, the same ones I bought in '95! I wonder how recent this picture is, because my boots have been in a museum since 2003 :DQuote:
Originally Posted by cj001f
http://www.brownalumnimagazine.com/p...ing.opener.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by roll - gybe
waaahhhh....I'm almost 30!!!!!!....waaaahhhhh.....
Sorry my man, I can't generate too much sympathy for you. My advice is to have as many adventures as your circumstances allow; don't drink cheap wine; make friends with Vitamin I; eat your vegetables and realize that a car is only transportation (sorry Roo).
Age doesn't matter anymore, what kind of shape you are in does. A lot of people don't know how old I am and it really doesn’t matter (I’ll be 40 in a few months; they do know how heavy I am though, that's my typical issue). I'm planning on dropping quite a bit of weight for this year's riding / racing season and plan on pushing the young 30 year olds over the place. Bottom line, don't worry about; take care of yourself and have fun instead.
I know what you're saying. Except I try to use them as inspiration to not live to see 40.Quote:
Originally Posted by Geoff
"Dude, you went into that wayyyyy tooo fast."
"Funny, I thought I was going too slow."
:D
I am 37 and feel, for the most part, just as strong as I did at 30 (on skis and bikes: road and mtb). no serious injuries (serious knock on wood) so that may accout for this, but i don't know, i plan to keep on keepin' on right through my 40s and 50s baby! suck it up.
Red wine is packed with antioxydants. Just sayin'.
I agree with the comments about maintaining your fitness level, stretching and hot tub soaking for avoiding pain. I think I would also add that there are many different root causes to pain. I used to attribute much of my original joint pains to just getting a little older. However, after constant doctor visits and little reduction of pain I went to see a rhueumatologist. Turns out I actually had a genetic type of arthritis which was treatable with medication. Just a little food for thought.
Yeah fluid workouts....time for some now.
Seriously if you don't keep yourself in shape, you'll be drag and pullin everyone down around you.
It's no fun to hear your buddies, who claim to have a passion for skiing say this aches, that aches......yeah, well what the fuck did ya do to stay ready for the season???!!........maybe you wouldn't have twisted that if your legs were stronger!!!!....twat!
Bike riding...very high on list.
JEEBUS...
I'm about to turn 48 and skiing as well as ever. Of course, my standard activities don't include big drops or hammering lots of bumps. Still, if you want to keep skiing for a long time just accept that big crashes and big drops aren't as easy to recover from when you're not 25 anymore. It's not so bad; there are lots of cool things to do on skis besides huck.
Best thing I ever did for my body was buy a house that has a hot tub. Drinking wine in the tub after big days really speeds the recovery, along with lots of water intake.
Be REALLY careful about taking NSAIDs when you're drinking... I'm no doctor but I am afraid of kidney failure. I don't think Ibuprofen and booze is a good combination. I KNOW Tylenol and booze is a no no.
Fred Beckey rules! I met him climbing over 20 years ago and he was already old then.
I'm 50. Never skied till I was 30. Never snowboarded till I was 40. I still rip at both!
I have some tips if you want to keep skiing hard after age 40 that work for me.
1. Excedrin for pain. Ibuprofin is not a pain killer.
2. Give up tennis, running, and anything that stresses the joints. It's not worth it. I was a USTA 5.5 btw and don't miss the game. I miss the competition but not the game.
3. Swim! It stretches the muscles and joints and keeps you supple. Guaranteed.
otoh, I think I'm lucky I started alpine sports later in life. I'm still stoked..
Hot tubs feel good but they are dehydrating. I'll soak my legs but I don't like getting my core hot. It's dificult to stay properly hydrated the older you get.
For sore knees try leg extensions with very light weight and high repetitions. It's always worked wonders when I have sore knees. Skiing works the large muscle groups but does not allow the smaller around the knee to stay strong enough.
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Originally Posted by 4matic
Huh????
Sure kills mine.
I'll be 30 in November and have been diagnosed with arthritis in both knees due to degradation of my articular cartilage. It fucking hurts alot....
to keep me on the ski hill:
- liberally apply ibuprofen...repeat.
- avoid moguls like the plague, used to love'em
- my skis don't leave the ground unless I'm on a lift
- no running whatsoever
- lots of cycling
- yoga
- glucosamine
My knees hurt like hell after I booze heavily, anyone else have that issue?
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Originally Posted by Mr. Altagirl
FKNA my brother you're killing it! We gonna throw down on that fine day?
and yes it really all depends on hard work and some genes
Interesting that 4matic says it's harder to stay well hydrated as you get older. I hadn't ever heard that but it jibes with my experience and you do see a lot of older folks with dry skin. Any idea what the mechanism is? I've been blaming coffee and wine...
Agree most of all with those that say stay in shape! I have spent most of this season 'skiing myself into shape' and it is NOT a good idea. Just puts more strain on the knees to ski with poor leg strength.
Also agree hugely with the DO NOT RUN sentiments. Save the joints for skiing.
Which joints? Knees? Ankle? Rubbish. Running doesn't stress these. Bad form will and bad genetics certainly won't help. What I'm saying here is, just because you suck at it, not everyone does.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4matic
Amen.Quote:
Originally Posted by DJMingus
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It's primarily an antiinflamatory, but it does have analgesic properties.Quote:
Originally Posted by kidwoo
Ibuprofin is not an analgesic (pain killer) it is an anti-inflammatory.Quote:
Originally Posted by kidwoo
http://arthritiscentral.com/html/medsanalgesics.htm
IB's might help with pain due to it its antiinfammation but it is not considered a straight pain killer.
You don't want to go here with me. Really, you don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4matic
Forgot - those are perfect in the hot tub, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buster Highmen
Dude - he agreed with you. Chill.Quote:
Originally Posted by Viva
After a season of skiing my knees and hip are sore and need all summer to heal. What do I suck at? I ran and played tennis for years. I've had my stride analyzed at a clinic and it's perfect. Running is stressful on the kneesQuote:
Originally Posted by Viva
especially as you get older. Why would there be a condition called "runners knee" if there weren't something inherantly stressful about the activity?
The latest study, and supposedly the only large scale one, just found no beneficial effect on osteo-arthritis pain, with the exception of some improvement in a small subset of the more severe cases. There is an ongoing portion of the study to determine whether there might be some slowing of the arthritic process.
http://nccam.nih.gov/research/results/gait/qa.htm
The anti-inflammatory qualities are what makes it one of my food groups for sure.........but considered an analgesic by traditional terms or not, it does reduce pain.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4matic
Interesting tidbit at the very bottom of that page you linked to.......
It's mechanism of inhibiting or not inhibiting nerve activity is kind of irrelevant in terms of traditional "analgesic" definition. I'm going to go out on a limb here but not every injury I've had that ibuprofen has helped with from a pain standpoint was entirely caused by inflammation. I don't know it's exact mechanism beyond the anti-inflammatory bit, but I do know it's very effective pain relief. I turn down the narcotic junk everytime I break something in favor of the mighty "I". And like most here, I've had some practice.;)Quote:
This is a pill that combines the anti-inflammatory and pain relieving features of ibuprofen with a stronger narcotic drug (oxycodone
edit: now I'm curious......I need to look this stuff up. Shame I've never investigated further on my favorite staple
Ibuprofen inhibits the two related cyclooxigenase enzymes 1 and 2 (COX-1 and COX-2, respectively) that produce certain prostaglandins (I forget which one(s)). The ones made by COX-2 function as a primary mediator of the inflamatory response and is activated following an inflamation-provoking insult.Quote:
Originally Posted by kidwoo
NSAID drugs, ibuprofen, but also aspirin and diclofenac are capable of inhibiting both COX enzymes. They inhibit COX-2 at the site of inflammation, but they block COX-1 at the level of the gastric mucosa that that's why too much of any of these compounds gives you a big ol' tummy boo-boo.
While I don't know the mechanism of action, all NSAIDs have limited use in the management of moderate to severe pain due to a ceiling effect on their analgesic activity.
Turning 30 is not that bad. Aches and pains will come and go. Just keep doing things atheletic to keep you muscles loose and in shape and drink a lot of beer. It seems to help with some of the minor aches and pains. I am 36 and still ski and ride hard. I've had 5 knee surgeries and tore my MCL in February but it all gets better.
Just don't let it bother you and live life to the fullest. You're going to be fine.
Three pages and, finally, someone mentions sex as a way to stay in shape.Quote:
Originally Posted by SKISC
Yeah, that too and don't need the Viagra yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Viva
Quit being a whining bitch. You just have a low pain threshold. Wait till you start passing kidney stones and getting spinal taps. That stuff actually hurts. Get in shape mentally and physically and quit whining about being 29.
Unfortunately, there were two glaring problems that called into question the findings of that study. In fact, you would be hard-pressed to find any orthopedic surgeons who took this study as a reason to stop recommending glucosamine to their patients.Quote:
Originally Posted by irul&ublo
1) The total daily dosages used in the study were lower than that generally recommended for glucosamine. Although 1500 mg daily was used in the study, the researchers chose to use glucosamine sulfate donated by a small company out of Illinois rather than pay for the glucosamine hydrochloride that most people buy at the corner drugstore. It takes as much as 2,200 mg of "glucosamine sulfate" to yield 1500 mg of the active ingredient glucosamine hydrochloride. Therefore, all patients were underdosed by approximately 30% of the recommended daily amount of glucosamine HCL when randomized into the "glucosamine" arm of the study.
2) Subjects were allowed to take up to 4,000mg of Tylenol per day for pain relief, including the "placebo" group. This was in addition to any study medication they were on. So, to make any statement inferring that the glucosamine groups (with or without chondroitin) were no more effective than placebo would be erroneous. There was no true placebo group. All groups took pain-relieving substances.
One of the only factual conclusions which can be drawn from this particular study is that "subtherapeutic dosages of glucosamine (1000-1050mg NET weight glucosamine HCL per day) do not appear to provide any more pain relief in osteoarthritis than up to 4,000 mg of acetaminophen.
When orthopedic surgeons were polled after their most recent international convention as to whether they would continue personally using or recommending glucosamine HCL for themselves and their patients after this study, the overwhelming majority said they would.
I've been taking a special preparation that includes 1500 mg glucosamine HCL daily for almost ten years, along with antioxidants, vitamins, multiple-source fibers, and mineral supplements. I'm told I will turn 50 this year. There's calendar age and then there is real age. I invite anyone to come ski with me if you want to see what supplements can do.... ;)
After a hard day of skiing, and a hard night of drinking my knees are sore the next day, and I never have knee problems...Don't hurt really, but definitely feel different/unconfortable while im nursing my hangover. ONLY when I drink alot. What's the deal with that?Quote:
Originally Posted by homerjay
edit- gonna ask in the gimp room....
I am a BIG BABY. hahah
First, my point isn't that I'm going to complain and not go skiing or something. My point is that I don't feel like I'm invincible anymore.
Over time, I've been managing pain, just like the rest of you. It's just that the relief of this whole orthotics adventure has proven to me that I've ignored my body even though I thought I was taking good care of it.
Also, I'm not out of shape. I know skiing-shape is unique, and I'm not skiing 40-60 days a year right now. I run a lot (20+/week), and this tears up my body more than anything. It always has, but now some of my old gimpyness has migrated to other places in my body. I've never broken a bone (not sure why - my dad and my brother have combined for 25+ broken bones) but I've done damage all over. It's almost worst, b/c a break can be set, but a slipped disk is a real pain. Four concussions and handfulls of broken teeth don't help either.
I've heard that your body changes every 7 years. This summer for the first time, I put on muscle when I lifted. Up until then, I pretty much just flailed. In about 3 months, I put on 20lbs of muscle. It feels great to be stronger when I'm skiing. Plus my core got stronger too. It really helps. But then I could barely throw a football today b.c my shoulder is all screwed up.
It's just that I'm in a new realm now. I don't think I can throw my body around the same way. Yeah, it's reality, but I think it's time I get smart about it and learn how to maintain it, so I can be touring when I'm 70.
And yeah, it sounds like I'm still pretty fortunate. I just knew you guys and girls have been through it too, and probably worse.
Now where is that Vicaprofin?
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Originally Posted by Z
I get something like it too. It's partly do to a lack of nutrients in your system. Try to eat a banana when you can stomach it. It will help. Potassium is your friend.
Yeah they have this sweet sugar coating that is kinda tasty but they don't melt in the mouth. I would still rather slug down a couple good old fashioned Vic's or Perc's though...maybe even throwing a couple beers on top or a shot of Jager would help too? Just a thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by kidwoo
Good for you!!! I'm 38 and looking forward to 40, it's going to get here whether I like it or not. So might as well bring it in with a bang.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Altagirl
Last season while on a lift in Mammoth I met a man of 82 years young, he was snowboarding. We struck up a conversation and he proceeded to tell me that he had taken up snowboarding at the age of 79. How freakin great is that??? He is my hero... I plan on celebrating my 94th b-day skiing with my kids, my grand kids and my great grandkids on that grand day. Don't ask why 94, it's my number.
So suck it up young man you'll be skiing for many more years to come.
Yup, I'll be 30 in June too. Black balloon numero uno. I went skiing yesterday for the first time in two whole weeks and I could barely get out of bed this morning. I need to start doing yoga or something. That might help meet me some fine young ladies, too.
Lack of nutrition to offset the poison. Food is the number one drug we put in our bodies. Healthy doses of organic vegetables will hold you together better than any doctor can. My knees have been toast forever. The better I eat, the less I notice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Z