My problem with Slope Nazis.....

just sent an email off to the Mountain Manager at Copper regarding your meeting tomorrow. i included a link to this thread.

go get'em, karma king
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Originally posted by Ted Stryker
just sent an email off to the Mountain Manager at Copper regarding your meeting tomorrow. i included a link to this thread.

go get'em, karma king
:rolleyes:

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Thanks Ted. I knew I could count on you.;)

i also shot off an email to copper. hope someone actually reads it

wow, I hate assholes like that.

Bummer, and I have otherwise heard good things about copper in general.

well, there's no way in hell I'll be stopping in there on this year's road trip through the rockies.
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OVER 1,000 VIEWS OF THIS THREAD AND COUNTING! HOW IS THAT FOR EXPOSURE!

Rusty Nails - Interesting points, I wonder if those truly apply and if so where. However, NEVER can a resort close a National Forest area to a SPECIFIC person they just don't like. They can ban him from the lifts, but not him specifically from the land.

Blurred let us know what you hear.

As I said before, I'm not gonna buy a Copper Pass for next year after reading this BS

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Originally posted by SummitCo 1776
However, NEVER can a resort close a National Forest area to a SPECIFIC person they just don't like. They can ban him from the lifts, but not him specifically from the land.

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Ah, did you read the material in the links you provided above? The article specifically states that the lease agreement gives control of the land over to the ski area.

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Originally posted by Mountain Junkie
Okay, so if the Gaper Patrol didn't see your name, and they didn't take your pass, what's the big deal? Do you really think that they know you on a first and last name basis and went down to block your pass?

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Yeah, they know me on a first and last name basis, and that's exactly what they did.

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Originally posted by Blurred Elevens
Thanks Ted. I knew I could count on you.;)

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hehe, now he's talking to himself through his other alias!:D

So what's the word? Banned or Court?

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Originally posted by Mountain Junkie
Ah, did you read the material in the links you provided above? The article specifically states that the lease agreement gives control of the land over to the ski area.

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Indeed, the malicious mischief statutes are being enforced in California to keep certain 'undesirable' skiers out of certain resorts. I have come quite close to making the list due to certain articles I written that have been critical of certain resort managements.

California's Malicious Mischief statute states:

Every person who willfully commits a trespass by any of the following acts is guilty of a misdemeanor:
. . . (q) Skiing in a closed area. Knowingly skiing in an area or on a ski trail which is closed to the public and which has signs posted indicating the closure.

This statute could be used to fine any one skiing in an avalanche area as well as skiing in an area of a ski resort where the resort does not want you to be. The resort as a lessee of the land has the right to control access to any part of the leased area, just like you have the right to control access to your own home or business. Here again, however, in order to be arrested, the area or trail must have signs posted indicating a closure.

What I'm saying is that certain resorts are restricting the rights of certain skiers from entering their lease area for reasons other than skiing OB. Happened last year because someone was demo'ing skis without permission, accused of selling said skis in competition with a certain resort's shop, banned and threatened with trespassing if they came back to that certain resort.

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Mr. Curry,

Thank you for contacting us regarding our Slope Safety program. I am sorry that we are not meeting your expectations. We have three designated areas Copperopolis, Rhapsody/Main Vein and High Point/ Loverly as our slow ski/ride trails. The rest of the mountain is open for people to Ski or Ride at whatever level they are capable of handling. We are concerned about densities, speed and mixing types in our slow areas. If you can give more detail on what you do not like I will be happy to respond to you. You can call me directly at (970)968-xxxx.


Jim Spenst
Vice President of Operations

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i'm suprised someone actually responded. didn't really address my concerns though (mainly the happenings of this thread...)

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Originally posted by The Jackamo
We have three designated areas Copperopolis, Rhapsody/Main Vein and High Point/ Loverly as our slow ski/ride trails.

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Interesting. I'll have to do a yellow jacket count next time I'm up where the skiers ski and the riders ride...come to think of it, that does jive with my (limited) Copper experience.

this is great keep us posted

Brented Elevens, remember when shitty things happened to Pinner and I and you posted that it was just "karma catching up with you dildos" ?

We laughed and laughed because, man, you really zinged us good with that one.

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Originally posted by The Jackamo
i'm suprised someone actually responded. didn't really address my concerns though (mainly the happenings of this thread...)

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Mr. Curry,

Thank you for contacting us regarding our Slope Safety program. I am sorry that we are not meeting your expectations. We have three designated areas Copperopolis, Rhapsody/Main Vein and High Point/ Loverly as our slow ski/ride trails. The rest of the mountain is open for people to Ski or Ride at whatever level they are capable of handling. We are concerned about densities, speed and mixing types in our slow areas

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Translation-We are full of shit. That "mixing types" of skiers is proven to be bullshit since it's a requirement to ski through one of our 3 slow zones on your way to the park.
We actually invite expert new-schoolers, jibbers, teenage rebelious snowboarders and any other aggro-riders heading to our 60 foot hits to ski through our slow AND super slow ski zones on their way there. If you could, please avoid all first time skiers, old women, and ski school children. It's not like we have over 100 other runs the park could be put on. Hey, it's not like I make the decisions around here, I just work here!:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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Originally posted by The Jackamo
i'm suprised someone actually responded. didn't really address my concerns though (mainly the happenings of this thread...)

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You know what that response reminds me of? A generic copy and paste, done in mass numbers. That's probably why it did'nt address your concerns. We're obviously not the first to question slopwatch.

I talked to that same guy today. To make a long story short, Mr. Spenst refunded my pass. I'll believe it when the money is in my bank account.

He's still on 'ignore' for me, but it sounds like karma is finally getting it right.

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Originally posted by Dexter Rutecki
He's still on 'ignore' for me, but it sounds like karma is finally getting it right.

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Yup, a refund is a decent start.....

Cool on the refund. Once you get it, really lay into them!

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Originally posted by Mountain Junkie
Ah, did you read the material in the links you provided above? The article specifically states that the lease agreement gives control of the land over to the ski area.

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I agree with MJ. Lease provisions that are part of a Forest Service plan can exclude the public from those areas or allow a third party to control public access. All this is done through long periods of planning, public comment, etc... They can easily say they are not banning a specific individual, rather a class of individuals -- those who fail to adhere to safety and other restrictions imposed by the management. Restrcited access to logging areas, mining operations, etc, may be a useful analogy. Don't have time to page through USCAs, CFRs, or DOI opinions, but I'm sure there is precedent out there somewhere.

Blurred -- yer prolly gettin' what you deserve -- if it was almost anyone else, I couldn't say that. You've got way too much angst.

heh, refunded. Thank you, that place sucks.

Bumping an old thread for a new maggot I met today!! FKNA!!! (should I try for another pass with them??? that'd be funny....." yes, my name is Hugh, yes Hugh G. Rection"

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Originally Posted by Blurred Elevens

I'm going to try and condense this story as much as possible to keep it under a 30 minute read.


Well, Copper Mountains terrain park is located 1/3rd of the way down the mountain, and you have to go through a slow zone to get there. This place is always has the slopewatch people out on it, so you ALWAYS have to ski like 2 miles an hour so that they don't pull you aside to yell at you and tell you to slow down. (I know that these guys are there for "your safety", but I also know that they're more of an insurance card for the ski resorts.... I lived in Vail when Nathan Hall killed that guy, but c'mon, none of the skiing I've done past these guys is remotely a danger to anyone) These speeches usaully come from some gaper that just moved to Colorado from Texas, and is volunteering a day a week for his free ski pass. First of all, these people don't know how to ski, but think they can tell you that you are a safety concern. May I add that this is the same mountain who kicked Picabo Street off of it. At the time they kicked her off the mountain, she was the BEST female skier in the world. How are you going to tell her that she was out of control, or a threat to other skiers safety?? I mean, don't tell Tiger how to swing a club, and don't tell Jordan how to shoot a fade-away. You must be at that particular atheletes level to even have ANY insight as to what the hell you are talking about.


That brings me to what happened to me there last year. I was skiing down this run headed to the park, doing like 10 miles an hour, and NO ONE was around me. These 2 slopewatch guys were talking to each other, when one of them looked up when I was like 30 feet away. He totally over-reacted (his head was still in his conversation) and yelled and tried grabbing me!!! He was so pissed that I knew he was going to pull my pass, but he should have gotten an award for his OVER-DRAMATIC reaction. This was like the lamest thing I've ever seen someone do. I mean, it was REALLY, REALLY PATHETIC. I did'nt even acknowledge his crying little attempt at an academy award, and I simply kept skiing into the park. I did'nt even look back because this event was so superficial and over-dramatic. Well, now everytime I skied past those guys in the days to follow, they started to chase me everywhere. They chased me on several occasions, never catching me. (which only goes to show who can ski, and who cannot) Well, over the course of about 3 weeks, the slopewatch guys got a real boner for me and were looking for me everywhere. They got lucky one day, and saw me getting onto the chair. They radio'd some patrollers, and they stopped the chair about 2 towers from the top so that I could'nt jump and ski off. (it was like 30 feet to flat) I handed my pass to them, and they said It would be tough for me to get a pass there the next year. Did'nt ski at Copper after that day last year.

Fast-forward to this year. I went to the season pass office in October, and told them my story from last winter, and that I probably would'nt be able to get a pass. They looked in their computers, and there was nothing saying that I could'nt purchase another pass for this year. I told them to look again, and they did'nt see any problems under my name anywhere. I thought "cool" and bought a pass.

Fast-forward until today. I skied the super-pipe all day today at Copper. I haven't had an incident with the slopewatch people all year, I've been skiing super slow by them, so that I would'nt have a problem with them.

Well, it just so happens that this slopebitch stops me, and I think it's because she recognises me from last year. I ask her why she stopped me, and she won't say. She asked for my name and I told her my first name. She asks to see my pass, and I show her, covering my name with my thumb. She tells me that she just wants to see if I'm the same person on the pass, so I take off my hat and goggles to show her. She then says she wants my pass, and I say no, and continue to question her why she stopped me. I ask her about 10 times very nicely, and she won't come clean, and keeps asking questions to prolong the process. Pretty soon, there are about 3 other slope nazis with her, and I continue to ask her why she stopped me. She then radios for patrollers, and I finally tell her that if she doesn't give me a reason for stopping me, I'm going to ski off. She then threatens to call the Sheriff. I was hassled by these assholes, totally HASSLED. I got pissed and skied off. One of the slope-nazis tried skiing in front of me to cut me off. I skied around him, and then sat on the tails of my skis, and lost them all going down a run. I went into the trees, and did some stealthy skiing. I had to post-hole up through the trees about 1500 feet, and I crossed to the next run. There were patrollers obviously looking for someone, (me) at the bottom of the run. I stealthed it up through the trees another 400 feet, and kept cutting across the mountain. After about 3 hours of hiking and skiing, and dodging slopenazis, patrollers, and bilers looking for me, I finally gain the cover of darkness as the sun went down. I stealthed it down through the trees in the dark, and ended up walking about 2 miles in ski boots to my car. Needless to say, I'm exhausted right now, but moreso I'm really pissed off.

I mean c'mon. If the computer would have denied me for a pass, I could have lived with that. But, I paid good money for a pass there this year, and I did NOTHING wrong today UNTIL they hassled me and I had to protect my own.

Now, I'm sure my pass is no good, and for what? Nothing, if anything they owe me a refund on my pass if they don't want me skiing there, but now their argument will be "but you ran from our slopewatch! and for that, no refund, no nothing." What a bunch of assholes. Slopewatch are just incompetent wanna be skiers, who are simply pawns in a much bigger game being played by Intrawest.
Patrollers on the other hand know how to ski, know what the hell is going on, actually help people and can tell if someone is a danger or not, they get my respect.

Slopewatch is a joke.

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You got your pass yanked!?! Man, that's some funny shit!

Damit... I just read this whole thing before realizing it's old... :mad:

I got my lift ticket marked with darky lines at Mammoth for skiing too fast on the way to the South park, or whatever it's called. Nothing really happened.

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Originally Posted by splat

You got your pass yanked!?! Man, that's some funny shit!

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Yeah, a couple of years ago.... Guess the Aderal isn't helping with the Alzheimers eh?

Just a reminder to he who yuks it up when bad things happen to others, but apparently thinks his own misfortune is somehow exempt from ridicule.

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Originally Posted by splat

Just a reminder to he who yuks it up when bad things happen to others, but apparently thinks his own misfortune is somehow exempt from ridicule.

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Humor is always someone elses misfortune...You must cry more then you laugh. I'm sorry.

Get a pass as Max Gosey

If you had this jacket, 5/O couldn't catch you. You'd be invisible...because you'd be camoflaged...like a ninja...yeah.

http://oakley.com/media_cache/oakley...nlarge_one.jpg

Do you know why I wear camo underwear?
















So the women can't see me coming! :D :D :D

Wow, what a great audience

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Originally Posted by BlurredElevens

Humor is always someone elses misfortune...You must cry more then you laugh. I'm sorry.

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No, I laugh, then I cry. Usually after reading your spelling errors.

yo Blurred, how is that PMGear sponsorship deal coming along?

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Originally Posted by splat

No, I laugh, then I cry. Usually after looking back at my life.

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Bummer dude.

Running out of comebacks, boy? Sad, very sad....

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Originally Posted by splat

Running out of comebacks, boy? Sad, very sad....

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Nah, you're just getting too serious on me again, and I don't want to ruin my chances of a pm gear sponsorship.

I'm losing respect here....

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Originally Posted by splat

I'm losing respect here....

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I respect you dude, it's cool.

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Originally Posted by splat

I'm losing respect here....

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Blurred, at home in front of the computer:

casts out his line a few hours ago, feels a few nibbles, then whack, Splat takes the bait, they fight for an hour, all the while Blurred keeping the line tight and the fish right where he wants it.

Then the fish loses interest and spits out the bait.

Blurred, keeps the bait and will try again tomorrow.

Slope Nazis spoil Squaw for me. Every time I go I seem to lock horns with some over zealous power-crazed twat in a red jacket. Never happens anywhere else. Only Squaw.

At the last Tahoe Summit I managed to get a huge ass red X put on my pass within ten seconds - a personal record. I set off down an entirely empty face below the Siberia Lift, only to be collared on the run out by some screaming dick who claimed I almost ended his promising Nazi-ing career by skiing into him. I missed him by a matter of inches. About 800 inches. :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=bad_roo]Slope Nazis spoil Squaw for me. Every time I go I seem to lock horns with some over zealous power-crazed twat in a red jacket. Never happens anywhere else. Only Squaw.[QUOTE]

i had a red jacket crash into me at squaw during the summit period of time last year. the guy looked kind of out of control, and turned right into me as we were moving towards the lift corral. he hit me hard enough that i went over the handlebars and down under the rope that cordons off the area where the lift exits the loading area.

within two minutes there were at least six red jackets swarming. they kept asking me if i was alright, offering to help me with my things and being generally apologetic. they kind of seemed like they realized that their buddy was an idiot and i could have been a huge jerk about the situation. instead, i was embarassed and tried to get out of there asap. maybe i should have made the stink with management that could have been possible, but i figure that there's a make/take relationship with respect and such in the universe. hopefully next time one of those red jacket dudes runs into a difficult situation he'll be more understanding... doubtful, but possible nonetheless.