Bindings, what do you set yours at?

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Originally Posted by eldereldo

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Originally Posted by LIP

Think I would rather find my buddys instead of their skis, or their dogs for that matter.

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Thought they had special ones just for skiis with a different frequency?

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They used to, it was called the maus. I coulldnt find anything about it on the ortovox website and the top google hit was a wasatch touring price list from 1998.
Ortovox does make a doggy beacon and a separate reciever so i would expect it would run on a different frequency but i didnt look into that too much.

btw, i usually start around din 10, but anytime a ski comes off when i think it shouldnt have it gets another half turn. my freerides have been maxed out by january the last couple years. looks like i'll be getting p-18's this season so i doubt i'll max those.

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Originally Posted by Endlessseason

Riiiiight. Easy for you to say because you've trained yourself to do it. Same with Coldsmoke; he can ski on one ski with either leg. I can't do it at all. I could probably learn, but I'm not patient that way. Maybe if I had learned when I was younger... Anyway, since I can't even ski a green run on one ski that logic doesn't work for me. I can't afford to lose a ski anywhere, particularly in chutes like Suicide, Pipeline, North Chute, Lenin, etc. If I lose a ski I'm screwed cuz there's no way I can ski down. Seriously.

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Actually I said I used to do it ;) I can still get down a hill on one ski if required, but my knees don't like it at all. What I was trying to say is that if you are in that kind of sketchy terrain I can see that you would want your ski to stay on your feet, so you would crank your bindings up. Far worse to loose a ski in a situation where there is no way to get out without it than any to risk an injury because it doesn't come off if you fall. Hence my original exclusion of those people hucking big and skiing extreme lines.

Salomon Race16's. Range 9-16. 3.5 from the bottom is 12.5, 3.5 from the top is 12.5. Fuck I love 'em.

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Originally Posted by alto

Salomon Race16's. Range 9-16. 3.5 from the bottom is 12.5, 3.5 from the top is 12.5. Fuck I love 'em.

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Dude the law of averages is going to catch up to you some day.

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Originally Posted by jibij

Are you transparent?

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Yeah, no kidding. Do we need a maggot drive to send Skip Dooley a few sandwiches? :biggrin:

I picked 9-10, but I think I (or more accurately "they") usually set them around 8.5 and there was no choice for that in the poll. I'm 6'2" 180# but I'm not exactly going airborne a whole lot. This setting seems to work well for the skiing I'm doing.

Like aspenskichump, I set my DIN on the fly while I'm skiing.

While I'm going off cliffs, I set it high, then I ease it back for the groomers and in the park. It's cool because most of the time people think I'm going for a grab when really I'm microadjusting my bindings.

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Originally Posted by Dside11-11

Yeah - you need to be set at the middle of the spring's range.

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I hear that a lot, but always wonder if it's b.s. There has to be a pretty decent margin of safety built in and my gut feel as an engineer is you can set the binders at the top of the claimed range with no worries.

180cm 70kg

look/rossi 140s.

Normal settings : 6 toe, 9 heel.

If doing stoopids, I crank up 2-3 dins.

Have had 1 pre-release in the last 3 years.
Didnt clean up my boots, and tought, "Aaww, that doesnt matter..."

It did.

I throw 11 pennies in behind the springs them crank them to [Nigel's voice]eleven[/nv].

Actually my nly binders are 2 pair of dynafit touring binders. I don't recall the toe having an din adjustment and the heel only goes to 10. I have my heels set at 8 or 9 and have never released from them. The toe has a cam lock for climbing that can be locked so that the toe will not release.

One of the big things most people are missing is the boot sole lenght, The smaller the boot the release force is in a smaller area so the DIN needs to be higher. The same hieight and weight and a 279mm vs a 350mm make around a 3 point DIN difference.
Also for the set up charts you use the lighter settings based on hieght and weight, os if someone is 5"2' and #160 or 6"2' and 160 they would have the same DIN, but a much longer leg (lever) to apply the forces.
All that being said I would set bindings up to the chart, and add +1 and go from there. If I release out, then fall add 1/2 DIN untill that stops.
I'm #155, 5"10' 293mm boot and run DIN at 9-11 range.

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Originally Posted by Pinner

Like aspenskichump, I set my DIN on the fly while I'm skiing.

While I'm going off cliffs, I set it high, then I ease it back for the groomers and in the park. It's cool because most of the time people think I'm going for a grab when really I'm microadjusting my bindings.

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Hell I swap my SKIS on the fly as conditions change top to bottom. The problem is finding a good caddy.

Couple points:

You should be able to release your bindings with your own power while standing still.

Most pre-releases are a result of poor technique.

My settings would be lower if I wasn't on Tyrolias.

this could be a dangerous thread, so i hope no maggots makes changes to their settings based on what everyone has posted.

for me when i raced USSA, FIS, college etc. i had mine anywhere from 11-15 (depending on the event, speeds, etc.) at 5'9" 160lbs.

now at a flyweight of 145lbs. and less aggro skiing... typically around 7. at least when i am not freeheeling ;)

All of my binders are now old-school sollys that max at either 14 or 16 on the DIN. I weigh 150 and I am 6,1. I keep the toepieces at 10 and the heels at 9. I go up to 11 toe, 10 heel for comps. I don't come out of the skis unless I've done something seriously wrong. I used to have newer sollys with a din to 12 and set the bindings the same way and couldn't stay in those things to save my life. Always prereleased.

I haven't read all the posts, sorry if this had already been stated... setting your bindings at 12 or 13 on a 14 DIN max binding is a bad idea. if you feel the need to be at 12 or 13, get an 18 DIN max binding

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Originally Posted by Beaver

I throw 11 pennies in behind the springs them crank them to [Nigel's voice]eleven[/nv].

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So that's like 6.72 US pennies?

I agree in gerneral, and for most people but

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Originally Posted by St. Deep

Couple points:You should be able to release your bindings with your own power while standing still.

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why? if you are skiing aggesivly and hucking I want my DIN higher. If I'm skiing around with beginers then sure. Some terrain a lost ski is a bigger hazard then a tweeked knee, and with some flexibility that helps to "reduce the risk"

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Originally Posted by St. Deep

Most pre-releases are a result of poor technique.

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or DIN too low .... (see point #1)

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Originally Posted by St. Deep

Couple points:
You should be able to release your bindings with your own power while standing still.

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NO. WAY. Maybe for the "average" skier out there, but that would be incredibly dangerous at the speeds and in the terrain skied by the overwhelming majority of the maggots I've skied with over the years. Not all of them, of course, but the majority.

If you keep your bindings set at a level that allows you to twist out while standing still, I invite you to try to keep up with a random gaggle of maggots on the rampage at Mammoth, K-wood, Snowbird, or Alta. Heck, anywhere. I assure you, you will not be with them for long because you'll be spending your time looking for your lost skis.

Oh....and by the way, this is not because of dangerous or reckless riding, either. I'm talking a normally paced, run-of-the-mill, regular old ski day with a bunch of internet buddies with a whole day to kill on any given hill. And when I say "internet buddies" I mean that in the TGR sense as opposed to the "Barking Bear" method of skiing. ;)

Endless, that's cuz our technique sucks.

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Originally Posted by truth

So that's like 6.72 US pennies?

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9.4 actually :eek: :biggrin:

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Originally Posted by seatosky

9.4 actually :eek: :biggrin:

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parity sux

What do "Barking Bear" e-buddies do when they get together?

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Originally Posted by St. Deep

Couple points:

You should be able to release your bindings with your own power while standing still.

Most pre-releases are a result of poor technique.

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:rolleyes: good point :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by BC-FLOW

:rolleyes: good point :rolleyes:

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Yes, especially since snow always has the same consistency with a smooth surface.

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Originally Posted by wicked_sick

What do "Barking Bear" e-buddies do when they get together?

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They get wicked sick.

Woah...guess I better defend myself. :biggrin:

The stand and twist to set din has always worked for me (I was taught it by a race coach as a kid), the theory being that if you can twist out using your own power then youn knees will be safe during a fall.

I'm not talking about a slow turning of your foot until it hurts your knee...it must be an aggresive twisting motion simulating what might happen in a real crash. An aggresive thrust backwards works for the heel pieces too.

I'm not a particularly strong person and I can twist (and heel release) out of most bindings (salomon, tyrolia, fritschi) in the 10-11 range (a little higher for tyrolia). I can't remember the last time I had a pre-release and
doubt i'd have trouble keeping up to a group of maggots.

I do agree that cranking the bindings for hucking/hauling/comps is a good idea but it is only to make sure you won't lose a ski during a momentary lapse in technique (backslapping, getting in the backseat while hauling etc.)

5'8'' 145 lbs
317mm boot sole

I run my race skis at DIN 7 toe, 8 heel
My everyday fats at DIN 8 all around
My Spatulas at DIN 8 toe, 9 heel.

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Originally Posted by St. Deep

...an aggresive twisting motion simulating what might happen in a real crash.

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Sorry. Can't happen in your living room.

I'm not saying this as a challenge, and I'm not spraying for maggots (obviously of which you are one), but, if you set your bindings with the "your own power while standing still" method, there are an awful lot of maggots who will have to decide if they want to wait for you while you go find your skis.

Oh...and for the record, I cannot self-release in my living room with my DIN at 11 and I weigh 225 pounds.

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Originally Posted by Endlessseason

/// I cannot self-release in my living room /////

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i bet you could with showtime & cinemax.

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Originally Posted by Endlessseason

if you set your bindings with the "your own power while standing still" method, there are an awful lot of maggots who will have to decide if they want to wait for you while you go find your skis.

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It might be a problem for others using this method, but won't be a problem for me. Like I said, I haven't had a pre-release in quite some time and I do like to ski fast.

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Originally Posted by Endlessseason

Oh...and for the record, I cannot self-release in my living room with my DIN at 11 and I weigh 225 pounds.

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I haven't actually tried it it the living room but doubt it would be a problem. Concentrate on focussing all of your energy on the task at hand and then with a burst of strength, twist it out. It's mind over matter really....think about what they taught you in Ninja school. :)

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Originally Posted by eldereldo

I keep seeing references to people looking for bindings that go to at least 16 or similiar. Are people (Other than those hucking off 100 ft + cliffs) actually setting their binings this high, or is just that a binding works better set towards the low end of it's range? I ski with mine set around 7-8, on binders that go to 12, I don't release, I ski fast and pretty hard (I think), so what's the deal?

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High din bindings tend to have more metal parts and less plastic parts. Plastic parts break a lot when you have high stress. EX: Salomon 810-914 bindings have a plastic piece on the heel piece that the screws go through and hold the heel piece in. Those break a lot. The 916's in the same part of the heel piece are metal and don't break.

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Originally Posted by St. Deep

I haven't actually tried it it the living room but doubt it would be a problem.

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It was a figure of speech; representative of trying to do this somewhere "on your own power" as you suggested, duh. ;)


And Justy...don't you have some computers to fix or something?

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Originally Posted by fez

Ortovox does make a doggy beacon and a separate reciever so i would expect it would run on a different frequency but i didnt look into that too much.

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The Ortovox D1 (doggy beacon) runs at 457kHz the same frequency as the rest of the line. SOS Has a sled/snow bug system that's similar to the ski maus.

My binders are all set 7-8 (Fritschi & Dynafit) I've never prereleased. As for not skiing down on one ski - it's called walking.

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Originally Posted by Z

Last year had a pair of S900s. Started em out 1 above my chart range, 9-10. Ended up not being happy with em even set at 13.

On the other hand, all my 8-18 binders are set at 11 and i couldnt be happier with em.

Anyone have a similiar experience?

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Yep. Keep my 900s at 13-14, while the 916s work fine at 11-12.

Just have two observations about the discussion in this thread so far.

1) Isn't the age of your bindings also something to consider when setting your DIN. The older the bindings the more likely the DIN needs to be raised. However, I guess everyone else here is spancered or gets new bindings every year.

2) Damn people are skinny here, eat something.

I feel so inferior.

I voted 8, but then I checked, and I'm closer to 8.5/9. Freerides.

And then, with all this talk, I clicked in, and yep, I can release standing still, with my wimpy little AT boots.

Hmmm.

I do crank them up to 11 when I don't want a ski coming off, and I just ski more conservatively on the flats.

6'3", 210, size 13/14 feet.

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Originally Posted by Sphinx

I feel so inferior.

I voted 8, but then I checked, and I'm closer to 8.5/9. Freerides.

And then, with all this talk, I clicked in, and yep, I can release standing still, with my wimpy little AT boots.

Hmmm.

I do crank them up to 11 when I don't want a ski coming off, and I just ski more conservatively on the flats.

6'3", 210, size 13/14 feet.

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I think if i blow on my freerides the wrong way they will release. :rolleyes:

No worries, I have Dynafits, too.