So it has toe pins but no walk mode. Do I have that right?
It looks like someone kidnapped a Dalbello designer and forced then to do this; a la the Soviet Union and German scientists after the war.
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So it has toe pins but no walk mode. Do I have that right?
It looks like someone kidnapped a Dalbello designer and forced then to do this; a la the Soviet Union and German scientists after the war.
Safe assumption is that there is an adjustable/removable wedge that goes inside a V cut in the top of the lower clog a la Kryptons.
As per bolts changing the flex of the boot... flex is more than just plastic stiffness. Is plastic stiffness fundamentally the most important part of it? Yes. But not the only. Removing a bolt changes the leverage over the spine and also increases the ability for minutes deformations that allow flex. It's semantics. Take out a bolt and your boot feels softer.
How's the instep height on the Roxas? Seems lower than Kryptons, and 45 deg cables also crush my instep/arches, took a lot of tension during 2 rounds of heat molding to compress and thin out the area over the instep to be tolerable for Kryptons.Quote:
Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn
Also, does the foam along the sole of their liner cause any issues? Last time I had a liner like that, I swear the fit changed depending on how cold it was outside even after heat molding.
Oh and I too would like to send a middle finger to Dalbello for axing the Kryptons
I'm sure engineers and tech guys probably do a fair amount of cringing inside when they have to deal with marketing, but I also imagine Hans over at Armada is cringing on a different level.Quote:
Originally Posted by stealurface831
Yep interesting…Salomon moved that buckle back and provided both heel hold and some high instep relief.Quote:
Originally Posted by [emoji638
Would like to know the weight.
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Respectfully disagree. Removing a cuff bolt decreases the leverage from the spine and therefore makes the boot feel like it has a softer flex. Flex ratings have nothing to do with the plastic used. They are entirely subjective with each manufacturer with no scientific standard. It comes down to how the boot feels and what fits with the marketing dept.Quote:
Originally Posted by tompietrowski
its becoming more common to have this set up. The k2 team recon use the same set up as well as the Cortex. I believe atomic has one coming this way as well. Some people want tech toes but don’t want to lose the performance due to a walk mode.Quote:
Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn
Yep. I bet one of those bolts adjusts forward lean, while the other twists a wedge tight in the back where the upper clog comes up on each side. My old lupo's had the drop in clips that did this, but my sister had a kyrpton with a bolt twist that did the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenBC
Well we base the flex on the materials used so that is why we say it does not change the actual flex of the boot. Yes the feeling changes but the flex itself does not change. But ultimately if a shop wants to sell it as a flex adjust that is fine we just will not say it as it is not technically correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by tenB
Flex isn’t really defined outside of perceived resistance and response to forward pressure, so yeah it definitely changes the flex of a boot as a system. Does it change the energy required to deform the lower? No, but it definitely changes how much force a skier needs to “flex” forward into the boot.Quote:
Originally Posted by tompietrowski
In the giant history of modern boot manufacturing multiple brands have released the same boot under two different ‘flexes’ where the primary difference is liner and an extra bolt in the back.
Yes. The bolts definitely make a difference.
Ironic since the original Cochise was like that. I suppose I lose some performance with the walk mode, but the Booster strap seems to really help with that. (Shift Pro 120). I suppose of I wanted it really stiff, I could go with something less elastic like the 130 might have. It's been warm here which sucks ass for ski boots.Quote:
Originally Posted by FloridaSnow
But I did a tour in alpine boots with no walk mode, Intuition liners, and no flat touring mode, and that is the only time I lost toenails. So, um, yeah.
I stepped into a Rthree one thirty from a Lupo and the last is basically the same except there’re anatomic areas molded into the Roxa. They’re both Italian boots, the last is basically the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by CYJ
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The AR ONE boot uses the same (in principle) Power Shift feature from the current Atomic Hawx Prime boot. Adding the top screw changes the feel of the initial portion of the boot's flex, making the boot more direct, more responsive. The Power Shift feature can also adjust the forward lean of the cuff from 13°-15-°17°.
If someone wants to change the flex in a more noticeably way, there will be softer tongues available.
^ so it’s a fixed cuff with a tongue? I guess that’s the hybrid part.
I’m not against that. I put a Dalbello tongue on Hawx XTD and it was dope.
buckles adjust flex too, TP
what tension parameter is used to determine flex? do all lower leg shapes get a say?
K2 can’t adjust flex but they sure as shit adjust last width with BOA which is the magic that I live for.
I just put screws into my Lupo SP to connect the cuff to the clog, and it was a MAJOR improvement. More progressive, stiffer, and I'm not flexing too deep anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenBC
Exactly. I say it’s like a coil shock or air on the same bike. The travel won’t change but the way the bike uses the travel changes. Same with boots. The flex won’t change but the way the boot uses the flex changes.Quote:
Originally Posted by onenerdykid
If flex is a measurement of how far a boot can bend you’re the only one using that definition.Quote:
Originally Posted by tompietrowski
You’re basically telling me all the boots formerly known as full tilt have the same flex regardless of tongue
Cool that the Atomic know how was put into these. Any idea if they'll come in a LV in the future?Quote:
Originally Posted by onenerdykid
All models of full tilt now FL3X use the same plastic flex moduls and only the tongue changes. It’s the tongue in those boot which dictate the flex (liner too). That is why 3 piece boots where you can swap out the tongues are truly the only boots you can change the flex without modifying the lower shell.Quote:
Originally Posted by XavierD
The pinnacle of boot design.
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But that is why this boot is pretty rad. As Matt said you can change the tongue to adjust the flex and then you also have the ability to adjust the response with the bolts in the back. No other boot can do this. You can either adjust flex OR response but not both.
This is the dumbest conversation I’ve ever heard on here. Let’s get back to double boa.
I did that with NRS straps without ruining the walk mode. Stock power straps were trash.Quote:
Originally Posted by beeshbeesh
Is there any micro adjust on the slingshot buckle? I am not seeing it.
Not a spinny micro like you are used to, but there are normal toothplate steps, different mounting positions on the Y-band, and a small flip chip that secures the toothplate to the Y-band that offers fine-tune positioning. Also, because the cable moves around a pulley, the effect of moving one toothplate position is a little less than a standard buckle, which means not as big of jump where you want to turn your micro to find the happy medium.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eluder
Eventually, yes. We know a lot of people (especially here) are in low volume boots, and you can't make everyone happy by only offering one foot shape.Quote:
Originally Posted by beeshbeesh
@ONK do you know if those boots are compatible with Hawx 5355 soles?
Because of the tech insert, they are not. The platform is GripWalk specific.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marshal Olson
@onenerdykid what is sage’s opinion on boa?
Nice. On that note of foot shape (since I've got two different sized insteps), how much of an impact does the velcro adjustability on the tongue impact the fit on these new AR's?Quote:
Originally Posted by onenerdykid
If you ask him, I'm sure he'd love to tell you about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by twat
On the liner tongue? A fair bit. Like a World Cup racing liner, you can position each tongue fore/aft to individually match up to your feet in the way that works for each.Quote:
Originally Posted by beeshbeesh
These liners (along with any liner that uses a Velcro-fixation tongue) are also compatible with Atomic's V3 Tongue System where you can pick from 3 different tongue thicknesses to further perfect the fit over your instep and/or shin.
A 290mm BSL Ultra is a 25.5, a 305mm Prime is 26.5 . . .Quote:
Originally Posted by scratchskier321
And this right here gets a FUUUUUCKKK YEEEAHHHHHHHH!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by onenerdykid
Tech toe with now walk mode fucks…
You could also minimize the chamfered surface over the toe and angle the toe out a bit (and fix the low/shallow calcaneus while you're at it) and achieve the same effect, but we're talking about a lot of money to update all the Ultra molds. If a customer complains about the length of an ultra, I tell them they won't notice it after I heat mold the boot and 95% of the time I'm right; for the whiners, a 1st distal phalanges punch is simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by scratchskier321