If you say so...or maybe not? Is there precedent? It certainly adds a bit of context to the Quandry Incident. Perhaps they should have called 911.
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If you say so...or maybe not? Is there precedent? It certainly adds a bit of context to the Quandry Incident. Perhaps they should have called 911.
i think once GAH say you have broken enough rules to get the boot you would be tresspassing but i don't know if the mounties could goosestep in all that pow ?
I duno if you been there but for the back country GAH is a busy place when we landed half a doz sledders were ripping around the lodge so the guide went out an said hey we are trying to run a ski week here and they left
busy
Negative on GAH, but I've been to a handful of huts in BC guided and not...but I certainly identify as an Unguided American.
I'm just responding to your claim that your guides were gonna call the cops on North's group and that they would have somehow been removed from their hut trip. I am wondering about the mechanics of that and if it has ever happened.
The Mounties can't enforce shit at the lodges, they can't get the horses into the helicopter
fact
Do you have any fucking idea what horseshoes would do to the inside of a Helicopter?Quote:
Originally Posted by adrenalated
Sometimes the sheer ignorance of this place is astounding. Sheesh!
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I'm all for this threadrift. Shit just got way more interesting...
I did not claim the guides were calling the RCMP, I said the guides complained to GAH apparently twice about North & bros skiing out of their area/ kicking off a class 2 above them, GAH who had rented the hut to North then threatened to kick North and his group out with the assistance of the RCMP if necessary, cuz 3 strikes and yer out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles
In fact North fessed up to everything if not more than I was talking about, which makes him look even dumber, he could/ should have just said nothing, again possibly buddy is not the sharpest knife in the drawer
Is there a precedent for a BC skier getting the boot from a hut in BC with RCMP assistance ? maybe not in America cuz there are no RCMP , but very possibly in the BC in BC,
a local guide i know who did a lot of work at GAH told me he had someone removed from a hut so apparently its possible
Altho I supose if you just claim to be a citizen of the world maybe they would leave you alone ?
Yah, it is the only way...... Chinese Downhill
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Qe3HBqFhTU
So be it, we drift.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
I was aware that there were adjacent GAH huts. Was not aware that we were required to stay hemmed in to specific terrain until Day 1 at the hut. I don't remember reading about it ahead of booking. Maybe we ARE as dumb as you've repeatedly suggested and missed it. If it wasn't there before, I would assume it's been added. I think it's a pretty unique setup/policy worthy of explicit mention upfront. Myself and the majority of the group would've opted out and spent our loonies and toonies elsewhere we'd known about it prior to booking.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
- I was not involved in either trip to terrain in or adjacent to the Sunrise valleyQuote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
- Nobody skied above another party, unless you know something I don't know
- My recollection is that the slide was triggered from the ridge that runs E off Cupola Mtn. Y/N? If Y, and the ridge is the boundary between Meadow and Sunrise tenure, are we not allowed to use it to access terrain on the Meadow side? Where's the cutoff for "trespassing"? 10 steps off the apex of the ridge? 11? If N, and it was a ridge fully in Sunrise zone school away.
If hut keepers are in the ski-off I feel good about my chances. Our hut keeper, Robson (no joke), absolutely ripped. If you want to include a radio-smooth-operator-off I'd propose a rating scale of 1 to Chuck Yeager. You can include a Canadian pilot in the scale if you'd like but Chuck=10. Sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
Cliff Notes:
The Unguided Americans (I want T shirts and meme please) were given no guidance.
The Heavily Guided Subject of the Queen came with the skiing equivalent of the Strongly Worded Letter
I duno who would want to be guided by guides who didnt know where they were,
I don't know why it was relevant to the Canadian guide
I don't know why guides who were twice told to stay in their lane did not
maybe a T-shirt with "an unguided American guide " ?
change over day is a gong show getting on the choppers with 60 other skiers one might think
I wonder where all these other skiers re going ?
A new low in Colorado
Crappy source, Snowbrains. No mention of it that I can find on the CAIC's site.
Super shitty behavior of the second party who were apparently just to impatient to wait. Then not to render aid...
It’s not an issue according to some of the posters in this thread, nothing to see
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She’s too young for meQuote:
Originally Posted by MakersTeleMark
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Look harder. I it one one two incidents that prompted this thread. The last Sunday day in the Northern Mountains. One the next Sunday day, the hazards inherit in sharing popular lines with other humans will be the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by beaterdit
I don't think anyone advocated the behavior of group 2. You are swinging at a piñata that ain't there.
This is the best TGR thread in weeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles
1) You can't drop in on people even if they are fucking annoying.
2) You can't expect people not to drop in on you if you are skiing a popular, easy to access route.
3) Even if you run into to someone on a less popular, more remote rout, they are much less likely to drop in on you.
I also want the T shit
Dead horse? Ooops, hahaha!Quote:
Originally Posted by MakersTeleMark
Duh, my bad. Thought this thread was older and read through pages 2-3 about unguided Americans, hahahaha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles
I'll show myself out.
Please stay, dessert will be ready soon!
I was watching people's parking and generally M.O.s at Corona and Berthoud this weekend and though "yep, these are the type of people that drop in on people".
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Dropping in on someone like this is total bush league.
On popular lines like this, if you know another group is waiting to drop in, you probably should make an effort to move efficiently and get out of the way. Regardless, its pretty poor form to sluff someone out and ski away. Pretty shocking actually (if the story about how this went down is actually true).
The backcountry around here (Sea to Sky) is ridiculously busy, and I've seen all kinds of ludicrous behaviour, but I've never experienced anything like this. In my experience, when multiple groups are racing for popular objectives, whoever gets to the top first gets to drop first. I have seen the "race" continue to include who gets their skins off first and is ready to drop in, but in my experience, that's where it ends. If you're dropping first, you try to leave a bit of room for the next group, and not take an unneccessarily long time to ski the objective. If you're not first, you enjoy the view, talk shit about the guys who beat you there, talk shit on the slow guy in your group who held you up, and talk about how if you had started 30 minutes earlier or hadn't stopped to smoke that extra joint, that you might have got first tracks.
I feel like there might be more to this story? I hope we get to hear some more salacious details eventually.
Also, I love the thread drift that revived a years old beef. Let the shit slinging continue!
There maybe somewhere more Bush League than Front Range 14ers but I'm not sure why.
JV ballers from here to [insert city brewery famous for its spray from #do you know I'm a backcountry skier]
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Edit: I guess group one identifies as Summit Locals so is Outer Range the see and be seen outdoorsy pub?
I would put money on Quandary and Grays/Torreys being in the top 10 for absolute fucking gongshows worldwide.Quote:
Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles
And I think Quandary has to be miles ahead of G&T, since Quandary doesn't have the 3-mile "filter feature" during "winter" conditions.Quote:
Originally Posted by adrenalated
But yeah. Front Range gong show continues to spread from what I can see.
So it goes...
"If you don't want to see clowns, don't go to the circus"
"I bet you were cool in the backcountry this past weekend"
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What's the deal with the stick horse?
Maker’s fantasy about being a hobby horse for a pubescent girl
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I'd be interested in the rest of the Gong Show Top 10.
1. Midi/arete down to the top of the Valle Blanche
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Are we talking "backcountry" Gong Show Top 10? Might make for an interesting thread...Quote:
Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles
You can learn a lot about people by how they drive and park. Those who lack situational awareness are easy to pick out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles
South Face of Superior here in LCC has got to be in there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles
Friends and I had Quandary and Grays/Torrys to ourselves or at least mostly many times in the 90s. Then most of us had the ability to get on them mid-week. I still taylor my life around that. Is it a shitshow even mid-week up there these days?
Normal spring day on Quandary
https://snowbrains.com/wp-content/up...ine-2012-1.jpg
Weekdays in Colorado are generally less busy than weekends (including Fridays) but the needle has swung hard to mostly busy most of the time.
Ahh the 90s, probably not a quiet 80s. So it goes.
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Yep, fridays are basically weekends here too it seems.
Yeah there was traffic on holidays/weekends/spring break but the nineties in Breck were pretty awesome for this fledgling ski bum.
Also I was less broken, old, and scared, hahaha.
We had to literally drag a guy down the arete. When we got to the first ski pitch he wanted to rest The guide told him no. He got stuck halfway across a descending/ascending traverse to the Requin hut and the guide had to ski back below the traverse to keep him from falling off. On the Mer de Glace he and his wife skied past the tram --we figured it out when they didn't show up--and the guide took off down the glacier after them. I don't know how they finally got down--I don't think they were able to climb up to the James Bond and ski down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles
Huh, I feel like I have been missing out on GT/Quandary shenanigans then, it's always been pretty chill for me. I've been in Anchorage the past 10 days. I'd say it takes the top spot by a wide margin tbh.
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Dudeman knows how to get his story out. He's like the Bluebird Backcountry of Avalanche Incidents. Maybe layoff the pop tart chart and just get to the skiing?
Maybe if more people hear the story they’ll be more mindful of dropping in on other people.
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Probably. But one side of the story does not a conversation make. Flexing ettiquite and protocols on people with no recognition that without accountability you are just a passenger in your own life, can also be a bit of a disservice. So here goes:Quote:
Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn
a. on that day, 7am was late to be at a popular trailhead if you didn't want a party wave
b. on busy days, don't dilly dally at the summit...have game and go
c. skier 3s island of safety wasn't
d. risk management through snowpack analysis is limiting
I've been around the block long enough to know that expecting other skiers you don't know to act a certain way and have your groups safety predicated on this in limiting. There was a time to have a conversation with group 2 and that was on the summit.
I agree with all this and I know that people are clueless and selfish. That’s why I stated earlier that I avoid busy areas almost without exception. Maybe recounting their experience will make the other involved party speak up. I would guess not given that there isn’t any excuse for their behavior. Getting their story out might give other clueless backcountry skiers the insight they’re lacking so that they might not do the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles
I do think they did talk to the other party on the summit, it was mentioned in the article that they talked about a shared objective. The first party probably assumed, incorrectly, that knowing that they would descend the same line that the second party would wait for the first to clear out to safety.
I’m not sure why you’re bagging on these guys. It’s a good anecdote that might raise awareness of bc skiing etiquette and safety.
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