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I've shared plenty of steep, icy skintracks with Tgapp, he does pretty well so I wouldn't attribute much of the difference to the skis. He's been skinning fully rockered skis on refrozen, blown out Wasatch skinners for years. I've skinned the BMT94 a lot and have done a few tours on the BC90, from my limited experience I wouldn't say that the BMT is better. The BC90 is better at sidehilling due to its narrower waist and straighter sidecut.Quote:
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That’s the main thing I like about the BC90, the bigger radius. I loved my LD90’s with the big radius, and love the 176 bmt 94 but do feel I’m stuck with smaller turns
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Yeah, you can crank out short radius hop turns/pivots or let them run on edge. I was a little concerned that they might be squirrelly with the rocker but they love speed
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What’s general consensus on sizing vs ravens? I see the BC90 177 has a longer EE than a raven 184. For spring skiing size down or not? For reference 6’ 200lb
Go for the 184
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I'm about the same size as you and a bit lighter, I have the 184. I wouldn't go shorter unless you were exclusively looking for a tight couloir ski.Quote:
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Hmm I ordered the 177cm pair in the outlet and am now having second thoughts about sizing. 6’ 175. This is going to be my less than sendy conditions ski so figure I’d size down.
I’m 5’11 and 170 and I think I would lean 177 for this ski. To me it’d be a spring mission ski where I want lightweight, edge grip and easy jump turns.Quote:
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Anyone disagree?
Mounted my 177cm BC90s today.
Ended up at just shy of 80.5 from the tail, so around -9 I believe. Came out to 1650g/per ski with plum guide toe and R185 w/K14 tracks.
Wanted to try this ski with near flat delta and I was able to reuse old bindings and holes which is rad (thanks for the heels/plates Marshal!)
Gunna get out on these things as soon as the snow flies. Nice thing about used skis is I don’t feel like waiting till there is enough base first haha
EDIT: Holy shit wtf happened to my post.
That’s dead sexy
Does someone have a comparison of the 184 BC90 and a 190 Raven?Quote:
Originally Posted by fleaches
I'm a bit taller and heavier than you guys and feel like the 190 Raven is just about right. It's quite fine for my firm snow ski needs, but maybe a bit unnecessarily wide. I had the 184cm MTN95 for a while and though a completely different genre of a ski, it felt short and too turny at speed. Seems like a 190ish version of the BC90 could be The spring ski?
I'd suggest you try out the 184 bc90, if you know anyone with them. They're not turny, but will turn nicely if you tell them to.Quote:
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Modeled as a miniature version of the fl113, btw. [emoji846]
Now, GFB needing fast skis and all, of course the drawings for these exist. I imagine Marshal needing many pledges to produce such a beast, though.
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I have both the 184 c90 and 190 Raven. I’m 6’5” 240. They complement each other well. I use the Raven as an all around touring ski for mid winter days. I’m using the c90 as a late winter/spring touring ski.Quote:
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I’ve skied the c90 in up to 6” of new snow over crust. Surprisingly floaty once you’re up to speed. Great edge grip for a full rocker ski. Really surfy in corn and soft wet spring snow. Very quiet for the weight.
I had them at -10 per HL recommended mount point but I moved them to -8 like my Ravens and that’s where I like them best for my style.
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Day one on the BC90s in the book (and first day since my accident back in the backcountry). Took some solo hot laps in a local hippie farm zone. Mostly good soft snow to play in, but a few weird crusts and wind skins as well. BC90s are awesome. Took a little getting used to, but they performed well on lap 3-5. In consistent soft snow they float up a lot more than I would have expected. Didn't really open it up at all, but the 177cm length feels slightly short? Need to play around with that a little more and see if I can get used to them.
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Congrats on the recovery, dude.
please keep the on-field stoke coming, loving this
Sounds like the consensus is minus eight or nine from center?
I was -9 on the 177cms reusing some holes and am around -8.5 on the 184cms now. Haven't had the 184cms out since Marshal swapped me out, but it seems like a lot of us are ending up in the -8/-9 range.
-9 felt good on the 177cms, but I think -8 might be mo better for me at least
Yeah, the feedback I have gotten is that -9.5 +/- 1.5cm is where folks are happiest on them.
As a side note, if anyone has the itch, there are a set of drilled twice 177 BC90, mounted with race bindings (heel track) for 310mm @ -9.5 and including some pomoca green 100% mohair skins that are dying to get on snow. LMK if you might be interested, happy to send more info.
I went 84cm from tail. Which is -8.25 as the skis are 184.5 straight pull. Will have them on the resort hill tomorrow for a night skin.
Groomer test only but they are great at this mount point. I certainly wouldn’t go further back. My mind might change once I get in some softer snow but I don’t think so.
Been a bit too busy to get out on a real skin recently, but put a couple 1k dog walk road skins on the 184cm the last few days. Mount point feels money so far. Need to get em out on a real ski soon, but should have an opportunity with these current low tide
On Friday I skied a few runs in untracked cold snow with the BC ninety. Ranging from four to six inches over a grippy crust to boot top over a zipper crust on top of bottomless facets. These are really predictable and fun in deeper snow, especially if you get moving. Even in soft crud over soft skier packed snow closer to the ski area they’re quite fun. Really a great design. If HL made a one ninety one I could see using it as my primary winter touring ski. Not really necessary because that role has been filled by the bc one ten
Any word if there will be another run of these?
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Hey man, thanks for the interest. I look forward to pressing another batch of them, but the next run is not right around the corner as of now.
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I wish I could see the pictures
Right on Marshal. I’ll keep an eye out. In the meantime if someone wants to unload a one seven seven I might be interested depending on condition and mounts.
I am considering moving on from my 184cm BC90s. This ski is a dream in a wide variety of conditions, but in this quiver slot I need something wider. DM me if you're interested and for mounting info.
How is the grip while skinning with the BC90s? I just started skiing ravens after touring on deathwish tours for 3 years. Like how they ski much more but definitely noticed a bit of a reduction in skinning grip.
The HL BC rocker profile has less tail rocker than a raven and better grip. I can't really quantify how much better because I haven't skinned on a cambered ski in a while outside of true rockski season and get along fine skinning with full rocker. On any sort of proper set skintrack, I don't have any issues with HLs or even notice the rocker (not to say they would keep up going straight up refrozen at a resort, but why would you do that).
I have pomoca blues on mine and on normal skin tracks they are no problem. We've had a lot of dog shit icy skinners this season and ski crampons are clutch for those moments.
Sidehilling will be significantly easier on the BC90 due to the narrower width. The Raven is also a straight ski, but having a skinnier ski with a straighter sidecut on the BC90 makes it very capable on firm snow. The BC90 is noticeably better sidehilling than my BMT94s even, I guess 90mm is a magic width that skins really well and the tips are around 10mm narrower on the BC90 which makes it easier to engage the edges on the uphill.
While I don't think the BC90s are particularly bad for skinning, I do find them more slippery on steep or icy skin tracks than the flatter BMT94s. I'm sure this is partly a reflection on my poor skinning technique, but now I even have the same skins on both skis and it's noticeable.
Where do people feel like the BC90s excel most? Where do they fit into a quiver? Where do they suffer?
Last week I skied them in some soft new snow over breakable crust touring outside the ski area and then spent the afternoon ripping transitional new snow and proto corn inbounds on groomers and off piste. They slay it all. I’ve skied them in boot top pow over a firm base, great. I would of course like a fatter ski in powder but the BC ninety is shockingly competent in a wide range of conditions. If I had to pick one condition that they are best for it would be spring corn.
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