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Damn picture didn't load. Here's the picture of the forward lean mechanism after removing screws. You can see it isn't a flip chip
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Hallelujah!Quote:
Originally Posted by bluesbrother49
It seems like making an aftermarket boot board shouldn’t be that hard, given scanners and 3D printing right? Or even simpler, couldn’t you just place some padding on the front of the board to even out the delta?
Yes, but you will loose room in the toe box.Quote:
Originally Posted by asmvolatile
First day ski impressions after getting the liners molded via The Boot Mechanic (Tom James) who works out of the Intuition shop. Also got punches at the toebox.
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Heel and ankle hold feel good. Skied without spoiler, on Rossi S7 rock skis with Dynafit Verticals (ie high ramp angle tech bindings). Forward lean of 14 deg feels fine. Perhaps even a bit tip toed but possibly exacerbated by the old school forward lean of the bindings.
It's been so long since my original ZGTPs were new that I can't definitely say but new ZGTP and older feel the same. If I had to guess these new ones feel a bit stiffer and more supportive.
Got to to try them on groomers, also chalky snow then some leftover pow on Blackcomb Glacier in your basic whiteout where you ski from patch of pow to cut up remnants and if you don't ski centred you get knocked around. The boots felt good in that regards in the sense of having decent support. In a nutshell they feel as stiff and as balanced as the old ZGTP.
Touring they feel better than the old ZGTP in the sense of having a nice free floating stride. The short skin up Showcase Glacier to Blackcomb Glacier doesn't have flat spots to throw the hips and feet forward to really max out stride length and feel out all the ROM of the boot. However I did try to pick a steep skintrack angle. If your boot doesn't have good forward ROM typically you'd need to engage heel lifters. That I didn't feel that need seems to indicate that the ZGTPs ROM is acceptable.
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Originally Posted by asmvolatile
I do that in mine. I have 3mm of shims on just the forefoot. I find it really tall and there is plenty of room to shin.
What binding are you using with your ZGTPs?Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_pretzel
Interesting they are as stiff if not stiffer than the current ZGPT. If anything I’d say the current iteration is a bit too stiff and harsh for its primary use. Maybe it will be better with more forward lean?
Today I got to try them out in what turned out to be approximately 70+cms of powder snow. By no means super light low density snow but nevertheless powder snow of the coastal variety.
The ZGTP felt great. I didn't have the buckles cinched too tight as there was some standing around waiting for lifts to run so to avoid cold feet I had them buckled for what I call "touring" snugness ie tight but not clenched. Snow conditions of this type, density and nature requires commitment, some experience and fat skis (107 underfoot).
I could ski the ZGTP centred and never felt like I would be bucked either forward or backwards. I could drive from the cuff, stay centred on my instep or if I hit a patch of particularly deep snow and get pushed back on cuffs, immediately rebound back to neutral and/ or attack. In short the boots felt as if they had a nice mix of controlled yet just the right amount of forgiving.
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I'll argue this point. You are correct that the forward lean is primarily affected by the front of the cuff. However, given a static volume of your lower leg at cuff height, pushing the back of the calf forward will net the same movement in the front of the calf, which effectively increases forward lean. Because of the increased volume taken up in the cuff by the spoiler, the sides of the cuff will be slightly less overlapped, which allows the shin to be further forward (because the spoiler is pushing the back of the leg forward). Shin forward with a static heel spot equals more forward lean.Quote:
Originally Posted by concierge
I struggle with this as a half-ape half-man with gigantic calves. The OG ZGTP is perfect for me at 11 degrees without a spoiler, any boot with more forward lean or a spoiler pushes my knee so far forward of my toes, it puts an insane amount of pressure on my (already bad) kneecaps). I'm pretty disappointed in the step backward in adjustability of the new boot.
If you get along great with your Cochise 130, would the new ZGPT be likely to work as well?
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Originally Posted by wasatchback
Hmm, sounds like I should try them on. I had the first gen, and indeed, had to punch the corners of the 1st and 5 toes, and the instep was uncomfortably low.
I also thought the walk mode was too restrictive, so if they really got 5 degrees more, that would be nice.
Island. I carpet tested the Cochise 130 and it felt like the new ZGTP
Tjaard. One of the reasons the ZGTP was popular was that it was relatively easy to punch, stretch or customize for different feet. The new rev is the same.
A few more days touring but this time with more flat walking on glaciers and that 5 deg more of ROM is there and noticeable for someone like me who uses long strides
Any idea if any shops will have early access to these? I would happily replace my aging yellow ZGPTs before volcano/spring/summer season.
I believe a couple people touched on it briefly, but I just wanted to double check if there's a pretty concrete consensus on the update to the instep height.
I have incredibly low volume feet, and as such enjoyed the low instep on the current ZGTP. But someone previously stated that the increase in instep height is not noticeable, and I believe another person stated that the increase is only by 1 mm.
I ask because I just stocked up on a 23/24 model, and will sell it if the new model fits pretty much the same in the instep.
I would gladly accept the improved ROM, slight weight decrease, and increased forward lean of this new model coming out.
I already added my impression that it felt the same ie not noticeable. 12 days on it and no change in that impression fwiwQuote:
Originally Posted by PeaHead96
Sweet. Well, that’s only n = 1, but I believe you. I’m gonna throw my GFTs in these puppies and probably watch my XTDs collect dustQuote:
Originally Posted by LeeLau
the new new version - we will be seeing those soon at my shop
I picked up some of last season’s cheap a couple months ago
Just got my 2025 ZGTPs today. The fit feels very similar to the last edition. I have darn narrow feet, and would notice if they increased volume significantly. The only difference I notice is they are a bit easier to get on, a little lighter in hand, and definitely have improved forward motion. My old ones did have a forward endpoint that limited my ROM a small amount. The liner actually feels pretty good. Not sure I’ll dump my intuitions and zip fits, but I think they’d be decent for a stock liner.
I have to give Tecnica a huge shout out for always standing behind their products. I used my last pair for three seasons guiding and recreational skiing. They held up to tons of hard mileage in AK, the Tetons and other Rocky Mountain West, as well as a bunch of resort skiing. After all that the rivets were shot. When I couldn’t find anywhere that could fix them (the rest of the boots were fine), Tecnica promptly sent me a new pair.
These things aren’t cheap, but it’s good to know they will take care of you if something happens.
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I really wish they fixed the buckles so they weren't so damn fidgety and had a longer touring catch... Also I always thought the forward range of motion was fine and would have appreciated more rearward range of motion. That being said I will probably buy a pair of the new ones since mine are pretty much shot
They sent you the new version after three years of good use? Gawd damn that’s legit good customer service.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skip Dooley
I tried them on briefly, and noticed the increased range of motion forward, compared to what I remember from my old pair. It felt quite different. I suspect it’s partly the better ROM and partly the taller instep. On the old ones I think the lower clog would hit my ankle/instep, reducing forward range. It’s better with these.
Agreed. Reminiscent of the old days of Arc’teryx.Quote:
Originally Posted by ASmileyFace
Re: buckles. I agree, still fiddly. But the return springs feel more substantial than the last ones. I have hope they won’t flop constantly going uphill.
I think they freaking nailed it with this one.
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When my out of warranty Cochises exploded, they sent me a brand new pair-through my local shop.Quote:
Originally Posted by ASmileyFace
I’m with you on these complaints. One solution is to just undo the ankle buckle (2nd down). It dramatically improves rear and forward ROM and reduces friction. I don’t notice the buckle being undone in any negative way if your boot cuff is low. Sure maybe scrambling I’d hook it on and pop it forward.Quote:
Originally Posted by wilcox510
My last few long tours on these new ZGTPs involved glacier scootching. I did what goldenbc suggested and undid that referenced buckle completely which freed up ROM
we should be seeing the new ZeroG at The BackCountry this week
26.5 Scouts and Pros both came in right at 1300g with stock everything.
Fit with stock liner and footbed felt a little more relaxed over my instep but not a ton.
Pro definitely is stiff and way more harsh than the Scout. Went with the scout over the pro. A nice update from my first gen pro is the power straps are now attached with screw hardware rather than rivets..
For those who did a toe punch on the new model or the first gen, how many mm lenghtwise is it possible to get?
A bootfitter friend who works out of Intuition Sports in Vancouver (Tom James the Boot Mechanic) reported 5mm with moderate punches. He guessed he could get few more mm if necessary. The shell holds stretches and punches quite well apparentlyQuote:
Originally Posted by Jean Poudreuse
Wow, seems a lot. You are speaking lenghtwise right? Not 6th toe punching?Quote:
Originally Posted by LeeLau
Depending on the binding you are using you can get a lot. If you are using tech binding only and don’t have to worry about a massive toe punch hitting the toe piece, you can definitely get 5mm. You can get the toe even with the end of the toe lug no problem.
Keep in mind, when you do a toe punch this big, you end up with a ledge on the underside of the toe punch. This is from the plastic gets thicker closer to the lug and it won’t stretch. This will often feel terrible. I recommended ramping the bootboard upwards (like a gas pedal), so your toe glides up and over this ledge.
What Golden said. And Jean yes. You asked about extra boot length and that's what I asked Tom
This. Be careful if you plan on using a Shift (or STH2); the medial side of the punch may hit the toepiece wings.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenBC
ok thanks you guys for these valuable informations
I will say thanks too
I’m learning a lot here
I have been skiing dynafit beast boots for seven years. I am going to try on some Tecnica tour pros at a local shop. Thinking I want the pros and not the scouts. Both have the new design. Could be my ego talking. I will need to read up on ankle flexation. Never bought a full price piece of ski equipment ever.
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do y’all know about these?
Damn a grindable liner