Yeah, I was pretty WTF at that. GG could end speculation pretty easily by saying ANYTHING.Quote:
Originally Posted by smmokan
Eluder, who do/did you work for? Just curious.
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Yeah, I was pretty WTF at that. GG could end speculation pretty easily by saying ANYTHING.Quote:
Originally Posted by smmokan
Eluder, who do/did you work for? Just curious.
Haha. Wow. I would imagine that was at the request of what’s left of GG…so Will?
Matt’s LinkedIn post made it pretty darn clear what was happening.
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Most people have no clue about running a business. The cliche comment is always, "it must be great being your own boss."
As if you just sit around, phone in a few decisions, goof off the rest of the time, and make gobs of cash.
Very few businesses succeed. A ten year run is pretty good. Getting a name and a fan base is exceptional.
Running a business will drag you down hard, reading profit and loss statements, while truly being able to interpret them is impossible for most.
I understand their position and it sucks, they saw the writing on the wall last fall. Probably looked for a buyer, lines of credit, or a way to work themselves out of a hole. But throwing your hands up, giving up, and just walking away is sometimes the easiest. Hand it over to lawyers and accountants to clean up the mess and absolve you of any liability. It's not hard.
Reading the guys post, sure that cliché dad shit is cute, but underneath the statement is a guy who has struggled for months, who has been a miserable sob, and today he's happy and content.
Having run my own business for almost twenty years now is brutal and I can easily be one of the biggest pieces of shit.
This sucks, dude...Quote:
Originally Posted by joetron
This isn't unique to MTB, unfortunately. We'll see a good little chunk of smallish outdoor brands fold in the next several months.
Yeah, a lot of folks misread COVID demand but if you're a smallish brand dependent on retailers like REI and if THEY misread it and tell you to build a ton of widgets, you do it. Then they cancel orders when they realize it was an anomaly (because they can) and you eat shit, sitting on a pile of inventory with slowing demand. Add the cost of money and labor right now and it's a tough environment for a smaller outdoor brand.
This has happened all over the landscape.
The good news is that historically, lots of brands are born in environments like this.
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Yeah man, I’m staring at $15k in bikes from an apparent zombie company and haven’t heard shit from them. Not a lot of dough for a big swinging dick shop, but I sure have a lot better things to do with that $$.Quote:
Originally Posted by One (+) Sentence
Gonna blow em out and take a loss because I have no idea what kind of warranty or tech support there will be in the future. Likely zero.
For a company that built their brand on community/culture and close relationships with their customers, this has been a really weird turn of events - I think that’s what most of the reactions are about.
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I'm gonna laugh when shops get an email that's like
"sorry bros, we just got back from a super epic company riding vacation in BC and haven't been able to respond to emails. Matt has moved on to other things, but I'll be handling your account going forward. Lets talk about 2024 bikes!"
...
Ok, probably not. This doesn't look good for them, but similar things have happened with small companies that recover (but even if they did, shops and consumers can be rightfully pissed about them going dark on parts/warranty).
Ibis Bicycles was founded by Scot Nicol, one of the earliest mountain bikers in northern California. It began in Nicol's garage in 1981, when a friend asked him to build a frame.[2] Nicol sold the company to an investment group in 2000 and it went bankrupt within 20 months.[2] Ibis returned to the industry at the 2005 Interbike tradeshow.[3] Hans Heim, a former co-owner of Bontrager Cycles and Santa Cruz Bicycles, partnered with Scot Nicol, Tom Morgan, and Roxy Lo to relaunch the brand. Colin Hughes, the Head of Engineering, would join later as a partner.[4]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibis_(bicycle_company)
Sorry to hear Joe - I'm a size 3 unfortunately otherwise it would have been a screaming deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by joetron
yeah, I pay very little attention to bikes and even I know how GG has marketed itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by joetron
Sorry Joe, that sucks. Getting harder to give them the benefit of the doubt the more I read about shops and customers getting shafted.
Well, this sucks. Was saving up to buy a second chain stay kit. Now it probably just makes sense to move on to another bike.
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Also, for the record: GG has the best cable routing.
Uh, having owned one, I beg to differ on several accounts.Quote:
Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn
1) dropper routing entry on left side sucked and rubbed the frame raw
2) the plastic guide where the dropper cable entered the seat tube never stayed put and sucked at keeping water out.
3) the rubber grommets where the shift cable passed through the frame did a poor job keeping water out, which would just collect at the BB and rust it out.
4) lots of people reported the way the shifting housing was routed causing issues.
I mean, I solved those problems going AXS and sealing the grommets with hot glue, but yeah... the hatch was a good idea in theory but kinda mediocre in practice.
You honestly think this was better than any number of bikes with internal tube-in-tube routing where you feed a hose or piece of housing into a port near the headtube of the bike and it just magically comes out where it’s supposed to?Quote:
Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn
I loved the attempt to have clean looking but still functionally external routing as someone who swaps parts at home. Execution wasn’t perfect but definitely could be perfected. Having to cut brake lines to change brakes sucks.
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GG will be back as a name, hopefully not bikes direct. Strangely one of my favorite bikes was a flyteam TI hardtail. How is that company still in business?
Esker (did).Quote:
Originally Posted by Andeh
I guess I'm not a big brake swapper once a bike is built up.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeorgiaSnow
hell no. That removable routing plate crap is such a pain in the ass to deal with. Sounds good on paper but that's it. The only people who dislike internal routing are home mechanics, when you work in a shop it becomes second nature with 1/10 times being a bit annoying.Quote:
Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn
On the note of them closing, kinda sad but I wasn't ever that impressed with their bikes. They rode fine and all but the heavy frame remark is real, for what you got it was a friggin boat of a bike.
I still wish a setup worked where the tube in tube was big enough for the olive, but had a robust system to prevent water ingress.
Well this is lame. Joe sorry to hear about the zombie inventory.
I have learned to REALLY love my Gnarvana and how it rides. It has a couple quirks but otherwise it fucking RIPS. That being said should I just try to blow it out now at a stupid cheap price?
Does anyone have a paid subscription to that site where you can find which frames have the same or very similar numbers as other frames?
The size 2 Gnarvana fits me so fucking well.
If it's not broke, don't fix it. Unless you're a habitual snapper of frames, you might as well just keep the GG. All the bearings are standard sizes, so it'll be easy enough to keep that thing running for a good long while.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whiteroom_Guardian
One of the bearings (I think it was the CS ones back by the wheel) is technically non-standard, but they're something you can get from Enduro/RWC. The inner race is longer / sticks out more than the outer race.
Yeah, no need to fire sale it now when you could ride the shit out of it and fire sale it in a couple years.Quote:
Originally Posted by toast2266
This is what I'm telling myself. Seems like there are quite a few seatstay kits floating around the facebook owners group, I may think about picking up spares eventually.Quote:
Originally Posted by adrenalated
True.
I will say the door cover thingie for routing is shitty. The headset cups make a fuckload of noise (use something besides grease? Almost like it needs some kind of assembly putty in there or something) and the shock bolts are loud as fuck.......
Otherwise it's a sick bike.
Never saw a GG on the east coast as far as I can recall. Not that you see a ton of small indie brands around here, but I’ve seen at least a few Revels, Niner, Orbea, Banshees, Alchemy, Intense etc
To be fair, I've never messed with full internal routing. Looks like a pain when it comes to brakes.Quote:
Originally Posted by One (+) Sentence
Not sure what people mean by shifter cable grommets. Is that something from the full carbon versions with the internal routing in the rear triangle? I have the aluminum rear where the full length housing just continues.
Don't really have any trouble with the dropper grommet or shifting.
Cable rub is solved with some clear vinyl tape on the head tube just like on other bikes I own.
It's also incredibly quiet. Quieter than my hardtail with full length cable housing. Maybe I'm just used to that weird headset noise now.
Id keep them. Who knows what happens when the bike industry rebounds. I could see someone buying the molds.
I was going to ask on the experts thread but there is an adhesive that gets used for headset cups. Id pick a setting and use that adhesive
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A bit of googling and this may be the ticket.Quote:
Originally Posted by grinch
https://www.amazon.com/Loctite-13551...s%2C151&sr=8-2
Park Tool standard grease only works for a ride or two and then the cups make a horrible creak in the carbon when just turning the bars even when at zero mph.
Edit: Loctite 641 seems to be similar but even thicker.
Thanks, the description nails itQuote:
Originally Posted by Whiteroom_Guardian
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https://nsmb.com/articles/guerilla-g...sh-conversion/
The guys at NSMB ^^ wanking about with a GG
turning a Gnarvana into a Smash ?
Just got the official email from GG.
“As of last Friday, production has been suspended until further notice”
A small crew is working to fulfill small parts and a few remaining bike orders. For the moment they can continue to offer service and warranty parts but encourage submitting orders for those items ASAP
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Does this surprise you?Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
That was the whole design goal.
Loved my Megatrail, and I’m starting to really like my Gnarvana. Too bad it’s just going to explode and burn my entire family now because they are going under…wait, it isn’t. A lot of people want to dump them immediately, but shops withstanding (totally get that) just ride it and don’t be a moron to lower your chances of breaking the frame.
The newer versions with the carbon seat stays were an absolute red flag for me and it looks like that is where most breaks are coming from. Super happy with my metal rear triangle, and the front seems super overbuilt (other than the downtube frame “pad” I’ve had to glue on 4 times).
Sorry to see this happen. Lots of good people and boom/bust predictions involved that didn’t work out.
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I posted it as a flavor to all you GG fan-boi's and I didn't even read the artical
no Idea what y'all are on about but i do know that a GG is a bicycle
NSMB is pumping out a lot of pretty good articals lately, the readers were all BC locals for many years but there is a more international readership lately ... complaining
They made good bikes. Totally like mine and it ways far less than 30lbs which i was used to. I liked the ability to build your own bike and pick from a variety of parts. The cable routing worked fine for me. I guess I will have to keep it forever now. Someday it’ll be in a museum. Haha
I always try to buy as local as possible when i can so it is a bummer to see them go out of business. Sorry for the shops but i guess thats just business.
I never heard of them, then looked it up.... wtf.Quote:
Originally Posted by toast2266
https://eminentcycles.com/cdn/shop/p...g?v=1683662661
Well, the steel of my Gen1 custom pink Pedalhead does seem indestructible, so there’s that