Bumping this thread to see if anyone has any more updates on how they ski and longer term durability. Really liked these boots when I tried them on but I am always hesitant to jump on a new product the year it is released.
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Bumping this thread to see if anyone has any more updates on how they ski and longer term durability. Really liked these boots when I tried them on but I am always hesitant to jump on a new product the year it is released.
Since I fixed mine for the second time, I’ve had no issues. That said I haven’t been able to rally on them quite as hard as I’d like. Will report back after this weekend, I will have two solid days skiing inbounds to try and break them again.
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They work fine for me after several 100k vertical of skiing hard pack and packed powder on groomers, bumps, crud and powder. For touring I don’t think about them, since they function as needed, provide excellent ROM, are easy to switch modes and are comfortable.
I am less finicky than others about minor stuff and adapt to whatever I am wearing as long as they fit well and I can make turns. The way they wrap and buckle takes a little getting used to and could be improved a little.
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My experiences with the boots have been positive, but not without a few frustrations. I have been skiing them solidly for about 4 weeks. For reference I am 193cm tall, and about 82kgs, and I am a fully qualified ski instructor (so I am technically solid). During the winter I am on my skis most days, and generally for full days, so I spend a lot of time using my kit.
For their weight, and after a couple of small mods I have been very happy with these boots. With my work I do everything from coaching fairly low level instructors towards exams, through taking people touring, through to teaching kids who are skiing for the first time, and I have been able to do all of it in these boots. Whether they are a complete quiver killer boot will depend on the individual, but for me I will still want a stronger boot for high end personal skiing, and a more focused touring boot as well.
As people have mentioned the tongue is a real faff, especially if you need to take your liner out to dry it. I have put a special version of the Intuition Tour Pro into it (the high density version that Sole in Chamonix sell), and getting the liner into the boot in the morning is a hassle.
The second thing to consider is that the plastic is pretty weird when it comes to punching. Sole did a few punches for me, and the punches have worked really well in terms of solving the pressure points (though the results are not pretty). They had to be very careful when heating the plastic, and then it went from being not soft enough to being super soft in a very short space of time. As long as you have a very good boot fitter like Sole then it should be ok, but it certainly took more skill and care than any punches I have had on previous boots.
The other thing that did not work for me was the powerstrap. I just found that I could not get the tension right, and that I could not get the strength out of it that I wanted. It may help make the flex more progressive, but I was happy to give up some of the smoothness to get a stronger support from the boots. I ended up putting an old double static strap on them (the old Atomic Redster straps), and I found that it made a huge difference, and I can push the boot much harder now than before. Something to bear in mind with this is that I am very tall, and I like to drive the fronts of my boots, so that combination of leverage and drive means that I do prefer a very solid flex.
All that said I am now very happy with them, and they do work for what I bought them for. They are not perfect, but I have not found anything better for my foot, and for what I want them to do.
PSA Scarpa Ski Boots are now 20% off through 6/30.
https://us.scarpa.com/skiing?product_list_limit=all
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A little update. Been in the boots for 15-20 days now. Pretty much exclusively toured in them.
I have a VERY low volume foot. I had some instep issues at first but that was cured by a better food bed. So far I haven’t needed any boot work.
Okay as for walking/skiing. Coming from the ZGTP I find this boot walks way better. I don’t feel the need to use the high riser nearly as much, I also find the pivot to have a lot less friction. I do need to have the boot completely open to get the full ROM and the buckles seem to catch sometimes.
Skiing has been pretty great. Feels true to flex. I have spent of the time touring in WA around the Stevens Pass corridor and in a range of conditions. Blower to breakable. Does pretty well…as well as one could ask for in breakable.
I did have one day skiing inbounds as Mission Ridge on a pretty firm day and they boots we able to rail/carve in hard pack surprisingly well. If I didn’t already have an strain alpine setup, I think these boots would be a good contender for a 50/50 boot…but on the lighter side.
I’ve had some time to really rally on these boots since fixing the walk mode (the second time). Two full days skiing bumps and jumps at Alta, one powder day at Grand Targhee, and 10ish road laps on Teton pass and I haven’t had any more issues.
I REALLY like the way these boots ski. For the last few years, I have primarily skied in my light boots (Alien RS) as I really enjoy the efficiency they offer. That said, I still wanted a boot that I could both ski inbounds and also take on tours when I want better downhill performance than my Aliens offer. I am not very tolerant of boots that walk poorly. I previously had a Scarpa Freedom SL and then an Atomic Hawx XTD in this quiver slot, and was never very satisfied with either of those boots. While they skied fine, I was never very willing to walk for more than an hour in them.
To say the least, I am very impressed with the downhill performance of the Quattro. In my opinion, it is more progressive and supportive than both the Freedom and the Hawx. The weird tongue + overlap construction works well for my style of skiing (very upright and centered but still aggressive). I’ve had no issues skiing big skis in difficult snow both in and out of bounds. I also really enjoy skiing bumps, which can be especially hard in touring boots, but the Quattros seem up to the task so far.
They tour much better than my old Hawx (of course). And I’d say they are comparable in ROM and friction to the Maestrale or the Radical. The only boot that seems to rival the Quattro is the ZGPT, which I think has slightly less ROM and more friction. The Hoji Pro might come close in ROM and ski performance, but of course it is much heavier.
This seems to be a new generation of boot, and I think we will see a lot of pros riding these boots in the coming years. The fit is definitely low-volume, but if it works for you, I’d highly recommend them. I’m really hoping that the durability issues I saw earlier are not a common thing, and that this boot can truly be rallied as hard as it wants to.
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Thanks to everybody that gave updates. Hard to resist that 20% off. Going to head up to my local bootfitting shop and see if they can get me that deal. Just have to decide between the 120 and 130 flex.
If you need a size 27.0, I have a pair for sale at over 30% off - BRAND NEW IN BOX NEVER WORN.
$550 SHIPPED and PayPal'd
https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...87#post6764787
Yep, saw your listing...sadly, I need the 27.5/28.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turnem
FYI, the SL has a slightly roomier fit than the XT across the instep. The XT was crazy tight out of the box and the SL is just normal tight.
Did you swap liners between the two to eliminate the chance it is a liner difference?
I didn't. It may very well be the liner.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenBC
I did just mold a pair with a pad on the instep and while it gives a little extra space there, these boots are still quite tight across that instep buckle.
Fit - F1 25.5 compared to 4-Quattro SL 26.0
- The F1 is shorter and lower in the toe box. The 4-Quattro feels roomy by comparison. I molded the F1 with a toe cap and the 4-Quattro with no toe cap.
- They seem pretty similar across the foot to the 6th toe area. The 4-Quattro is probably a bit narrower. I never found the F1 to fit like its last would indicate.
- The F1 seems to have a slightly better heel pocket for my heel. The 4-Quattro feels like it is a bit deeper, but doesn't hold quite as well. I think some pads will do the trick.
- The instep is much lower on the 4-Quattro. I have to run the buckle about as loose as it can go.
If anyone is looking for these boots in a size 27.5/28, I have a like new pair of Quattro XTs for sale. Skied only a few days and couldn't quite jive with the fit, but they are impressive in downhill capability and touring ROM. Send me a message if interested.
PM inbound.Quote:
Originally Posted by garuda
If they're good enough for Bode...
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With the Quattros today, I was skiing so far beyond my potential, that people stopped me and asked for Bode autographs.[emoji6]Quote:
Originally Posted by MyNameIsAugustWest
Hope they fit. They do make carvers feel like you are on train tracks. Lots of fun this season.
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I know they're not in the same weight class, but anyone have some comparison thoughts with the Cochise?
I think the comments section on the wildsnow review of SL speculated the big difference in instep fit was due to liner. Would be expensive for Scarpa to have different shell molds. But the wildsnow commenter who broke the Quattro heel mechs skiing moguls is a bit concerning.Quote:
Originally Posted by funkendrenchman
FWIW one of the major AT retailers here in Cham was kinda negative on this boot. He’s had too many complaints about the weird walking feel and lack of grip when scrambling on rock / hard snow.
On balance, the 4 Quattro, as a 1st gen alpine/AT crossover boot is still versatile and capable. But like an all mountain ski or Swiss Army knife, it will not be the perfect tool for every possible situation. Those expecting that will not be satisfied.Quote:
Originally Posted by frorider
I could see if you bashed bumps a lot that the boot lock could be a potential weak point on these and possibly a lot of AT boots. I’ve skied a lot of bumps this year but tend to carve around or over them to avoid impacts and no problems, yet. Good to know on the failures.
It is definitely weird walking up inclines on hard snow when locked. And like any alpine boot without rockered toes and the grip isn’t as good as a Vibram sole. The grip walk toe is awkward at first and takes some adaptation. I ruled out rock scrambling when I got them.
Edit: How might the binding elasticity of (or lack of) affect the stress on a boot lock?
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the mercury/ vulcan which was suposed to be the same boot more or less, but when i switched from Mercury to the Vulcan the clog/ boot was just a hair smaller and eventualy I got the liner remolded at intuition with the buckles cranked down a ladder or 2 cuz it was just too tightQuote:
Originally Posted by frorider
so I believe adding plastic is possible
What do you mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpinord
If the boot sole is flat relative to the slope and there is no boot/ankle flex, your leg is at an awkward angle. The toe is slick with zero grip, too. If you can dig in the toe it's better and changes the leg angle. It's better to unlock them even for short sections.Quote:
Originally Posted by sf
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Ok, thanks.
So as long as you use the walk mode for, you know - walking - you’re good?
Not trying to be a smart ass here, just making sure I’m not missing anything.
Anyhow. Have toured a lot on OG Solly Labs with a Sole Lab Intuition liner. Primarily skied inbounds with a Cochise 130 with Surefoot liner and a big ass calf spoiler.
Bought Zero G scouts, but not really loving them. Feels like less boot than I want, too little forward lean, and not a lot of support in the back - probably related to not getting a tight fit around my calves.
Tall guy, skinny legs.
Could the xt or sl be a better fit for me? Obviously have to try them on, but in principle they sound intriguing
Yes. Pro tip: use walk mode for walking and ski mode for skiing.[emoji6]Quote:
Originally Posted by sf
I almost fell on my ass scrambling up a snow bank from a parking lot to cat track while locked. Then the reverse getting back down. Even walking on the flats, walk mode is the call.
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I tried a pair of XTs on and while the fit was impressive, they felt pretty soft on the carpet flex (vs my usual lupo T.I.)
I love my XTs for everything. At one point when I was thinking they were too tight I was wishing for the SL. Then I took them to a better fitter and he dialed them in. Now I’m really happy with the XTs. I wouldn’t want a softer boot. I def use walk mode when not skiing. Traction on climbs is best of anything I’ve owned but I don’t spend time on super rocky terrain…. Mostly just hard snow and boot pack.
since you've skied both, how would you compare the fit to that of the Alien RS?Quote:
Originally Posted by PinyonJuniper5
For future reference, what Intuition liner is used (or would replace) the 4 Quattro XT liner?
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Are you looking for the liner that is closest to the original liner or are you wanting to upgrade the fit? The latter would depend on how the shell fits you.
Mainly just curious which one is the closest match for now and reference. Also, might as well find out which other options might be worth considering for future replacement if needed. TIA
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So I finally got to try a pair of these today and I’m stoked, I think theyre the best skiing + walking touring boot I’ve tried so far (Hawx XTD 130, Hoji Free 130, Lange freetour, lange xt3, mindbender 130, lupo, ZGTP)
My inbounds boot is Lange ZBs with zipfits and I’m a 25.5 at 6,1 190lbs with lots of ankle ROM so I just blow through the flex on most boots deforming the lower shell and crushing my achilles/haglunds. All of this has made me super picky and an absolute hater of all touring boots. The ZGTP has been the closest for me so far but I absolutely hate how upright that boot is and get upset almost everytime on the first run with them.
For the Quattro XT I liked the forward lean and the lower volume fit, I skied them with a zipfit GFTs which made them ski super well. They are decently stiff without much lower shell deformation, they also have good lateral stiffness and just feel solid. The instep is really low though and I definitely need to punch for my big toes, sixth toe and my malleolus on both sides. They aren’t what I would consider a 100mm fit at all in the toebox or at all.
Golden/anyone else, have you worked on these yet? Anything to watch out for or just straight forward grilamid work?
The carbon reinforced plastic at the back half of the boot needs to be punched carefully. Slowly and not too big.
The rest of the plastic is standard scarpa. I find it marks up really easily and the cup of the punch will leave marks and a negative punch. Don’t heat up too hot and cool the surface down before punching. Don’t hold the punch on one place too long. Ideally, use a punch that only puts pressure from the inside if you care about marking.
High praise!Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_pretzel
How does the power feel to you on snow compared to the Lupo?
I thought they carpet flexed a bit soft but that could've been the increased forward lean.
The low volume has me toying with the idea of them being my only boot but not sure if they'll be substantial enough.
Golden or anybody else - has anyone punched this boot for a medial malleolus? I'm scared to. Did it work? Did it cause a bunch of weird friction in the walk mode? I'm guessing that part of the cuff is included in the carbon reinforced bit?
I punched mine a shit ton for my right ankle, absolutely no problem, the carbon isnt that high up. This boot punches like butter, i shaped the toebox on the ball with just my hands.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhetherMan
Thanks pretzel! Psyched to hear it. I take it you haven't had any issues with ROM?Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_pretzel
That's probably enough for me to pull the trigger. Everyone I've sold this boot to has been pretty high on them. If it fits you nothing currently competes imo.
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To fullstop:
I don’t think this replaces a lupo if it fits you well. It walks better, but it’s a lot lighter and thinner so I wouldn’t want to beat on it as a daily boot, atleast I don’t think it would last too long if you did. They get stiff when you really crank the upper two buckles, not super comfy but really ups the support. Again though not as much boot as the lupo.
Wether: Nope no changes to the rom, they feel really soft and compliant when everything is open so I dont think you can really screw them up.
pretty curious, how would you compare it to the hawx fit-wise? especially interested in heel pocket, cuff and overall volume.Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_pretzel
Chris Davenport posted on IG mentioning a “Quattro Pro”. Aside from perhaps different buckles (?), they don’t look significantly different from the current Quattro XT. But I’m curious to see what changes are being made.
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Curious if they go stiffer or a narrower last on them. If they go to a 98mm last that sounds cherry!