Heritage Lab Skis - AM 50/50 Skis Have Arrived - Dedicated Thread

Here are the 99s. I am measuring the 180cm at 177cm straight pull. I have no problem w that given the tail profile. Second pic flanked by 179cm Wrens. Kinda a shitty basement shot of the camber but they are currently being hidden from my wife ;). I can’t wait to get ‘em on snow.

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That’s what, 5mm of camber on those 99’s? Maybe more?


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That’s what, 5mm of camber on those 99’s? Maybe more?


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8mm to my quick/rough measurement, closer to 9 than 7. I am converting from inches. A hair shy of 3/8in maybe 5/16.

Shit, sorry that is ski to ski so off the bench looking at roughly 4mm. Probably not a helpful photo but 4mm looks right.

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my 188 R99s have ~5mm of camber per ski

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Now updated with Camber Details and verified measurements.

I would generally say that unweighted combined camber isn't super helpful, but I measured my pairs here to be 1cm combined for the R87, 8.5mm combined for the R99, and 6mm combined for the R120.

I will also update the picture posts earlier in the thread with this data too. Thanks for inquiring on this piece!

They turned out exactly how I wanted em too, and if anyone was looking for something different, please just let me know, more than happy to refund you. Cheers!

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Now updated with Camber Details and verified measurements.

I would generally say that unweighted combined camber isn't super helpful, but I measured my pairs here to be 1cm combined for the R87, 8.5mm combined for the R99, and 6mm combined for the R120.

I will also update the picture posts earlier in the thread with this data too. Thanks for inquiring on this piece!

They turned out exactly how I wanted em too, and if anyone was looking for something different, please just let me know, more than happy to refund you. Cheers!

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Stoked on that R99 profile!! Come on January!!!


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Originally Posted by m5d5cb

50/50 R87 175cm arrived yesterday! All feedback is from my untrained eye.

They do appear very nicely constructed and I really like the 'Korund Glaw' textured topsheets. Extra metal in the nose?
A few small gouges in the tip top-sheet on one ski but I'm sure they will look worse after the first outing with me on them.
The edge sharpness has a touch of variation and there are a few nicks in the base.

I prefer the color and graphics on any of your other offerings (113 and 132 look super rad), but I already have a 96 and 112 waist so I thought this filled the largest gap for me to try out.
I also thought the color 'banding' may have just been in the online image rendering and that it may be a smooth gradient on the actual ski.

Can you provide mounting details? Drill size / depth / etc? Tap for metal sheet.
I see the tick mark intended into the top sheet. Is this center to measure 'Traditional mount -12.5cm, Factory mount -11cm, Modern mount -9.5cm' back from? Or is this the recommended boot center for one of these options?
The tick mark is 98.7cm back and the skis is 172.5cm long.
Which do you recommend for an intermediate slightly aggressive skier?

Thanks for delivering a boutique product.

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thanks again for the order and the notes and feedback!

I Will shoot you a quick email on the tune stuff, eager to hear more.

Regarding recommending a mount point, could you share your height/weight/boot size? Happy to offer suggestions!

Doremite and/or Marshal

On3p run crazy long or?



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Regarding recommending a mount point, could you share your height/weight/boot size? Happy to offer suggestions!

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I should have included that. I am 6' 155lb, and a 29.5 / 338BSL.

I want a nicer fast groomer ski so I am excited to try your R87 first.

I measure 11.5mm camber with the skis together standing on the tails (added clarification). I am not at all experienced enough to say whether I would want more or less.

That’s with your skis standing vertically on their tails, though right?

Marshal’s are lying flat on their bases so the ski weight is flattening the ski a bit.

A couple ounces of pressure and they’ll be completely flat.

Looking ideal for what I would want out of a carver that can be shut down from high speeds.


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Originally Posted by otto parts

Doremite and/or Marshal

On3p run crazy long or?

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Straight pull on the few I've had has always been less then 1cm over stated length, so yes, long, but not K2 long.

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I should have included that. I am 6' 155lb, and a 29.5 / 338BSL.

I want nicer fast groomer ski so I am excited to try your R87 first.
I measure 11.5mm camber with the skis together. I am not at all experienced enough to say whether I want more or less.

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At your height/boot size and given wanting a performance carver, I recommend 74cm from the tail, which is where the factory line should be, and works out to -12.5 from center. Cheers!

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Doremite and/or Marshal

On3p run crazy long or?



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ON3P measure true to stated length after pressing to my understanding where other manufacturers measure at material length prior to pressing so obv curvature will absorb some cms. Or other approaches to measurement that create a variance between stamped length and straight pull. All my ON3Ps measure true to stated length (just tested this and the 179s Wrens pictures by the HL 99s above measure 179.4cm straight pull).

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Originally Posted by Marshal Olson

At your height/boot size and given wanting a performance carver, I recommend 74cm from the tail, which is where the factory line should be, and works out to -12.5 from center. Cheers!

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Thanks, yes the line is just under 74cm from the tail. I'll go with a 74cm from tail (-12.5cm traditional).

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Originally Posted by Marshal Olson

At your height/boot size and given wanting a performance carver, I recommend 74cm from the tail, which is where the factory line should be, and works out to -12.5 from center. Cheers!

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Any reason not to go on the factory line for the 188s? I'm 5'11", 155lbs, 307 bsl if it matters, plan on using these as inbounds daily drivers for anytime there hasn't been new snow in the last 2 days.

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Any reason not to go on the factory line for the 188s? I'm 5'11", 155lbs, 307 bsl if it matters, plan on using these as inbounds daily drivers for anytime there hasn't been new snow in the last 2 days.

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Knowing the skis you like, I’d say in the line, or no more than +5mm

And sitting here after shoulder surgery, so increbly stoked the first batch is In peoples hands. So fired up for first impression on snow!!!!

"I personally cannot wait to mount my own R120 AM with 50/50 bindings and use them them often when it snows, not only in the wastach, but everywhere else too (Tahoe, Jackson, etc)."

Marshal, very curious what your sentence here will be for the Comp R120?

I've got the Comp 120 and 99 on order. My daily drivers are Head Monster 88 and 108. Love love love them. I weigh 190 at 5'8" and am really wondering if I should ask you to swap me over to the AM for the 120s?

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"I personally cannot wait to mount my own R120 AM with 50/50 bindings and use them them often when it snows, not only in the wastach, but everywhere else too (Tahoe, Jackson, etc)."

Marshal, very curious what your sentence here will be for the Comp R120?

I've got the Comp 120 and 99 on order. My daily drivers are Head Monster 88 and 108. Love love love them. I weigh 190 at 5'8" and am really wondering if I should ask you to swap me over to the AM for the 120s?

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Interested as well. I have Comp R99 on order but just emailed Marshal to swap me over to the R120 AM based on that description and upcoming trips to Japan and Gaspe’.

Hey gents!

For me and my own personal skiing, the comp build is for Snowbird. Open runs, chopped up snow, and racing trams.

Regarding the R120 AM vs Comp, would think about the AM as something more like a directional, chargey pow ski. I would think about the comp build as a chop/crud destroyer. Given that you have monster 108’s already, the question is if you want a bigger version of that, or something a touch surfy and manueverable.

@Singlecross, Ill ping ya back via email shortly and get that going!

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Originally Posted by Doremite

… but they are currently being hidden from my wife ;).

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I love this place so much! It’s nice to know that I’m not alone in my depravity.

Hi all,

Thought I would share that the 185 R120 AM is down to only 1 pair left, and the 180 R99 AM is down to only 2 pair left!

If anyone is curious, there are 3ea of the R87 AM's and a few more 188 R99 AM.

The snow is flying and so eager for the reviews to start coming in as well!

Cheers!

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Yeah man, looking shapr! Can't wait to hear your thoughts once you (and everyone) get them on snow.

With respect to the R99 AM, one of my favorite skis I have ever owned was back in 2005/2006/2007: an all-white era 190cm Igneous FFL (98mm waist, 27m radius IIRC) and 235# stiffness. A bit softer and lighter than the other Igneous I had owned at the time, but one of the best too. It was a true 50/50 ski for me. Toured as much as I skied inbound, and it really did everything great.

The R99 AM slots in the same use, mindspace, and design intent. So excited to get on my pair!!!

How much more demanding do you think the AM vs the Comp build will be?


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I estimate it to be 15% stiffer and heavier.

Relative to stiffness, one “notch” is 7%, and much less than that begins to get hard to clearly detect (at least for me as a ski tester). Most skiers might need a 10% jump if a-b’ing a ski to really truly notice.

So the comp should be one to two “notches” more ski.

I’d think of The Comps as more of a battle axe where you can just ski straight at rough questionable snow and throw your skis sideways and the ski will just smooth it out vs the AM skis as more of a precision tool.

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I estimate it to be 15% stiffer and heavier.

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Do you scale up each part of the ski by 15% or do you mostly make one section of the ski stiffer?

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Originally Posted by Marshal Olson

I estimate it to be 15% stiffer and heavier.

Relative to stiffness, one “notch” is 7%, and much less than that begins to get hard to clearly detect (at least for me as a ski tester). Most skiers might need a 10% jump if a-b’ing a ski to really truly notice.

So the comp should be one to two “notches” more ski.

I’d think of The Comps as more of a battle axe where you can just ski straight at rough questionable snow and throw your skis sideways and the ski will just smooth it out vs the AM skis as more of a precision tool.

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I think I’ll stick with comp build on my 99s. I’m large, 6’5” 240#. Doesn’t sound like they’re going to be too unwieldy.


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I think I’ll stick with comp build on my 99s. I’m large, 6’5” 240#. Doesn’t sound like they’re going to be too unwieldy.


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If this 195lb dude is going comp, you’ll be just fine.


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Rocker Porn! Rocker Porn!

(Camber porn, but whatever).

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Do you scale up each part of the ski by 15% or do you mostly make one section of the ski stiffer?

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you bet!

in this particular case, the ski has thicker titanal and heavier fiberglass. The profile and thickness are not changed.

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I think I’ll stick with comp build on my 99s. I’m large, 6’5” 240#. Doesn’t sound like they’re going to be too unwieldy.


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I think they will feel great for you… but if they don’t, let me know and I’ll just trade you out for a pair of AM’s.

180 50/50 R99s came in today! Can't wait to get these on snow. Will be putting some tyrolia attack demos on them to play with mount points, and so any interested mags can take them for a spin

Build quality is top notch.

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I too just received a pair of R99 50s ... these look DIALED.
Initial thoughts are the quality is excellent and these should be a ripping no-fresh ski.

As my intent is for these to replace my Enforcer 93s, I'll likely use those Attack2 binders.

Christmas came early - just found a pair of R120 AM on my doorstep.

They are just beautiful. I am too stoked!

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Schwing!!! Thankful for Marshal bringing these to reality and being incredibly flexible with my order changes. Thank you!

Weigh 2100g on my cheapo kitchen scale and flex very similar to the 191 Goliath. Mounting with Lindahl FrankenCAST tonight and hopping a plane to Bozeman on Thursday for a quick Big Sky, Targhee, Teton Pass, and Jackson loop.

Whoooo!!!

Wow! I’ve been outta tech talk for a long time. Really cool to hear you’ve got a ski going MO! This shit I miss. I’m gonna pull the trigger into support your brand. Super stoked to support a long time mag. Shoot a pm if you come to the Tetons.

Edit: ordered an r99 50. Couldn’t be happier to spend coin on your project.

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Edit: ordered an r99 50. Couldn’t be happier to spend coin on your project.

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Good on ya. I’ve been eyeing the last pair of those for awhile now. Glad they’re going to the ‘vill. The R87 is a more sensible choice for my world



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These sound great Marshal! Nice project and stoked to see functional color.