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Nothing good comes from being negative in an exit interview. HR will keep a file, that most likely will show themes from all the people that left before. It's the usual suspects;
1) Over worked and underpaid.
2) No one listens to my great ideas
3) I was offered more money and better benefits elsewhere
4) No or little opportunity for advancement
5) Life's too short to be just another cog in the wheel
Going against the grain here to say that, as a shareholder* of an entity, I LOVE it when good employees throw the fuck down about other problematic shareholders during their exit interviews.Quote:
Originally Posted by Toadman
Didn't hurt their careers at all, as far as I can tell. But this is definitely a risky move, and not surprisingly, it was always badass fearless women who spoke the truth. And who we missed the most.
*Former shareholder.
Two pages in and no office space?
https://youtu.be/j_1lIFRdnhA
If you all think that Hiring Managers and others don't actually call former supervisors for input on job candidates, you're delusional. Agree that most are only checking the top 2 or 3 candidates to avoid selection bias.
Policy is just to confirm employment and dates of employment. Blah, blah, blah.
Nobody follows that policy.
I would always check reference (I always called the former boss, even if not listed as a reference) via phone (rather than email)...even if they didn't say much, tone of voice spoke volumes.
Be honest but polite. Don't burn any bridges.
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Originally Posted by Core Shot
None... Go back to sleep..Quote:
Originally Posted by SumJongGuy
Except for unique situations you have only to lose, not gain. Your employer could benefit from information you choose to share.
Don't forget your stapler. If you're feeling ballsy don't forget the printer.
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Is that a law? IDK, industry folks im friendly with have reached out to me to ask about previous employees who are in the interview process at their company. And similarly, ive reached out to folks i know at other companies to ask about a person we are interviewing. IME, if you are staying in the same industry in the same geographic location, its a small world.Quote:
Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn
There was one guy in particular who just didnt fit the role we needed at the time but was otherwise great who we fired. At an industry event a month or so later, someone from another firm mentioned that this guy was interviewing and asked what his deal was. I went out of my way to give him a truthful, but glowing review. Alternatively, we had an employee quit and in his exit interview exaggerated complaints about my manager at the time who was gruff, but otherwise an awesome manager. That manager was very active in numerous industry organizations and i heard that contributed to the employee having a real hard time finding another job.
And yeah, my advice would be to treat the exit interview the same way you would an employee review. Be truthful and honest, but frame it in a positive constructive manner if possible. You want the company regretting your absence and thinking they lost a good one. Think about the economic future and if you really want to wittle down future employment prospects....
I just looked it up for WA. They can disclose most things but surprisingly not salary. They need to keep a written record of the disclosures and that the disclosures are made in good faith. The employee in question must be allowed to see the record of the disclosures at any time.Quote:
Originally Posted by californiagrown
So kind of? I’m actually at little surprised, I was told what I previously posted years ago and that was in CA.
It may not be law. But any decent corporation does name rank and serial number.
Saying anything more. Good or bad. Can open you up to a lawsuit.
Fuck the lawyers. At least dentists add value to society.
It is the law in the sense that former companies don’t want to get tied up in future law suits if someone isn’t hired and brings suit for whatever reason. A law that is only followed if there is written proof or HR dorks are checking references. Yes, everybody knows somebody and people talk.
I’m going to give difference advice to consider. Not saying it would work for you. If there is asshole at your former company that everybody knows is an asshole or there’s flaws with the company that all can see, I’d say it in the exit interview. If someone you’re going to work for someday calls your old company and you miss out on a job because of that reference, you’re dodging bullets. Plus, I’d rather hear that you didn’t get along with someone who is a known prick. Hiring people that are not afraid to speak the truth isn’t a bad thing. In my opinion, people that play the game and say all the right things in an interview are pretty good sales people when it comes to selling themselves.
Yeah. But did Milton ever get an exit interview?Quote:
Originally Posted by SumJongGuy
At least he got a red stapler.
Oh wait. Fucking Lumbergh stole it.
No wonder he burned the place down.
Fun fact. Swingline never made red. After office space they had so much demand they cashed in.
This is why I said it has to be done over the phone...you can say nice things about someone but the tone of your voice tells the real truth. Hesitations, etc speak volumes. The record of what was said looks fine but you can get the gist across.Quote:
Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn
What if the contact at the previous employer is an asshole and just has an axe to grind? I don’t take much stock in what managers or HR have to say I want to talk to people that actually work with the person.Quote:
Originally Posted by MyNameIsAugustWest
Personally, i couldnt care less what HR has to say (unless there are HR issues with the candidate). They have zero idea what the employee is like from a work perspective, they just know the HR problems the candidate had. And, who better to give another manager insight into a candidate than their previous manager (its managers doing the hiring after all).Quote:
Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn
And if someone has an axe to grind, it would be good to know why. Its all additional data points that get collected and evaluated. The overall point being that you better be REALLY sure long-term, if you decide to go off in your exit interview. Its pretty much never worth it.
Maybe it was a prototype given to him by his son.. worked for Swingline but died in a horrible factory incident.. That's why it was so precious to him..Quote:
Originally Posted by Core Shot
After handing over my orange apron during my exit interview, I handed the Asst Store Mgr. a copy of this.
Attachment 425231
Just do the interview & don't say anything bad or really much of anything
I remember the manager with the stick up his ass asking a team mate about something or other and he said " sorry I can't comment on that shit "
manager does double take and that was the end of it
maybe instead of the exit crop dusting, you can airdrop nudes?
https://thehill.com/homenews/3622626...-entire-plane/
I left a terrible employer when I was in my mid 20s. It was the US subsidiary of a German company. The US operation was extremely toxic and run two people- one who was incompetent, the other who was a compulsive liar with NPD.
I was on reasonably good terms with the German CEO and he emailed me asking if there was an issue with the guys running the US subsidiary. I was so convinced that I was going to need to use them as a reference that I didn't say anything. In retrospect, I wish I had.
It's been 10 years and I've never used them as a reference.
The wouldn't it be funny if... stuff is way more fun to talk about than than the truth... tell the truth or don't say much of anything if you get the vibe that the truth won't go over well..
Another option for the interview: pull your shirt over the back of your head and do the entire interview as Cornholio.
Just keep giggling and muttering that you need TP for your bunghole.
It's rare, but my current employer looked around for people that they knew at my prior companies I worked at to get sense of who I was at those companies - they called them without my knowledge. I understand that my current employer is pickier than most and did all kinds of psych testing, etc that others don't do as well. But reaching out to prior employers is standard for them to do at certain levels.Quote:
Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn
Also, I was definitely honest at my first exit interview 10 years in. The boss was a massive HR liability, and I was worried for the young ladies on our team. Moved out of state but looked over my shoulder for the first year afterwards, it was that bad. But nothing ever happened to me.
Emboldened by doing that bit of good, another 10 or so years after that and I was honest once again in my next exit interview. A high level peer was a catastrophe to their team and, while not a danger like in the first instance, the team's work life was awful and no one dared say a word about the psycho. Down the road, they wanted me back at a much higher level and that person got in the way of it enough to derail it at the last second because no one ever did anything about it the first time except sweep it under the rug.
If I ever exit again, I will keep it bland and boring, just in case. FWIW
jesus christ
this thread is the mirror of society
do the exit interview
if anything you will grow from the opportunity (even though we all know the majoirty of americans have given up on anytype of self growth or reflection)
now my 20 year old self fucked up and walked off and talked tons of shit but once I got older and wiser I relized what its about specially once I realized I live in a tiny little town and I have to face some of these people occassionally
being honest with people (no one is this fucking country can do that)
be open and be honest
for every negative thing you say be sure to say two positive things its not fucking hard but yeah maybe it takes critical thinking skills to do the most basic of a conversation these days since everything has become shit talk and garbage on the internet
don't throw anyone under the bus that is the lamest shit in the world and so easy I deal with it daily don't throw people under the bus
if you have a problem with someone spin in a positive way say I wish they could improve on this and that
Always be postive about an experiece even though it was like anal sex the first time
Would it be possible to get a letter of rec. dated before submitting to the interview? That, plus maybe monetary compensation for the interview, might persuade me to consent. Otherwise, you have nothing to gain.
So where's the TR?
I offer exit interviews to all my departing staff and summer/auxiliary hires. Some engage in the process, some do not. Some just want to get shit off their chest. Themes for leaving are usually consistent with personality type, and that is OK. And sometimes a glimmer of an actionable change can come out of the conversation, especially from the younger demographic. Often I couple the interview with a paid lunch or after work session at the local watering hole.
As for background checks, I always request to call the previous supervisor and one other reference of their choice. It is up to them if they wish to provide the last supervisor/boss. I advise prospective hires to contact those references in advance of my call so nothing is unexpected. If they are internal hires, I can contact their previous/current supervisor without their permission. Never had an issue come back via HR for doing this, but the laws in Canada must be different in that regard. Salaries are also public record, so everything above board in that regard as well.
Crazy times and staff mobility is at an all time high. Really hard to recruit to the smaller towns with real estate and rentals cost high and inventory low right now. Will be conducting recruiting sessions in a month or so at the various post-secondary institutions. Haven’t had to do that in many years.
This is a smart approach.Quote:
Originally Posted by BCMtnHound
Right? I mean, if the person is being canned or otherwise let go for unsatisfactory performance, then maybe an exit interview isn’t the right tool. If they are leaving on good terms, the least I can do is pay for a light meal or buy them a libation on my dime, and wish them future success.Quote:
Originally Posted by TahoeJ
Usually it’s a cardboard box to collect your personal items while security watches your every move.
Kicked to the curb.
That’s how large corporations roll
Kirk Van Houten: “So that’s it, after 20 years, so long and good luck?”Quote:
Originally Posted by Core Shot
Boss: “I don’t recall saying ‘good luck’”
Exit interviews shouldn’t be conducted by the employee’s direct manager.
If a company is having issues with a manager and wants to terminate, one of the first things done is to pull the exit interviews.
Think of it as the one time an employee gets to give their manager a review.
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I got a journalist buddy and she sez you want people to talk in an interview feed them coffee or booze
Cocaine.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
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Not just large corporations- plenty of straight ahead greedy bastards in small business.Quote:
Originally Posted by Falcon3
But let's not be distracted, I'm a free unemployed man now!
Starting a new job might feel great, but leaving it feels even better.
Oh, and me and HR took turns blowing smoke for twenty minutes. Placid, painless, and pointless. Much like the job I just left. JAJAJAJA!!
Glad you chimed in Fred.Quote:
Originally Posted by fastfred
yup come to work in the AM somebody is there you don't know cuz officialy it takes 2 of them to can youQuote:
Originally Posted by Core Shot
Its doesnt necessarily have to be like that, the other guy they canned who I had worked with for 30yars went for a 2hr breaky with the manager who I had also worked with for 30yrs
They sat around for 2 hrs & drank a lot of coffee sounded way more civil
it felt pretty weird to be " retired " after 30yrs, i was so distraught i never worked again ;)
I’ve done a few of these.
Don’t bitch to vindicate yourself. Bitch to save the people you’re leaving. If you look at it that way, you’ll be more constructive.
Be professional. People call around.
There was a well known response to a reference check in my former industry:
the former employer would use the word “eggplant” in the convo to signal to the prospective employer that they wouldn’t hire the person again.
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I'ma have to take your word for that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by fastfred