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I basically accept that USA will be lenient and have a latitude towards fire arms. There's not enough appetite for meaningful change.
But what I cannot forgive is how we've fetishized it. We've made it really fucking weird. Like pray to the gun. Behold the golden calf gun. Bow to the gun altar. The mentality is bizarre and we have created a gun-first answer to problems.
It may not be the solution you want, but a community can take that action themselves and not wait on a holes in DC.Quote:
Originally Posted by PNWbrit
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Yup. ProbablyQuote:
Originally Posted by PNWbrit
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This idea has merit - and it has been implemented in some communities.Quote:
Originally Posted by AK47bp
Some of the other responses are interesting - claims that it could never be accomplished. perhaps not, but I am more interested in hearing other solutions, than claims securing schools is impossible.
I do think it is too easy to claim this is Congress' problem -
if there is community will(-power), this is something that begins in the local community.
my Condolences to the San Antonio community. and to parents of young children...
another sad day in the usofa...
tj
The majority of those solutions would require some funding at the state level. Which means you'd need to convince the seat warmers to do something. If you're going to go to that length, why not change the state laws to require expanded background checks, licensing and mental health evals of some kind in order to purchase a gun.
Might makes right... I'm braver about sharing, loudly, my unpopular opinion on sociopolitical hot topics when I'm armed.. Also makes me more likely to clap back at other assholes in traffic.. 'Murika!Quote:
Originally Posted by CarlMega
That's a big reason why I choose NOT to carry and leave my shit at home, properly secured..
Sen. Murphy: “Spare me the bullshit about mental illness.
“We don't have any more mental illness than any other country in the world.
“You cannot explain this through a prism of mental illness because we don't we're not an outlier on mental illness.”
Skiing sux here, but I like my representation
+1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cono Este
I do not understand why it would take 6-8 additional 'officers' per school to greatly enhance security -
Access is a primary concern. Many municipal buildings are going to a single, Restricted Access entry point process ( current entries become emergency exits )
Some additional security personnel has merit, but I don't know that police officers are necessarily the best personnel for this duty - though partnership between school district and ( law / public safety / EMS ) certainly seems to have merit.
it is important that schools are Safe(-r ); schools are not prisons...
the goal is to keep the 'bad guys' out.
but let's go back to the idea of community Safety / neighborhood Safety than wishing that Congress would fix this.
tj
Violent crime has seen an uptick since the pandemic started, but before that it has been dropping since the peak in the late 80s.
Sadly cops in schools are more often predatory towards the kids than they are protectors, involving them in the legal system unnecessarily.
Gun control is probably the single most divisive issue in the US these days, during a time in which we need unity and less division.
Again, violent crime has been dropping for a long time, which does not seem like the case if you watch the news. Sure there are things to be done, but there has been an improving trend for a while, and further solutions should be considered as not being unequivocally good. There is a lot of room for improvement in the care of mentally ill.
Almost all mass shooters are on a cocktail of multiple meds, which aren't well enough understood. Anti psychotics sometimes make people who aren't violent start being violent. They prescribe them as a lot more than just anti psychotics.
Objection, relevance.
No problem here?Quote:
Originally Posted by leroy jenkins
That's really what you're 'thinking' today?
Fuckwhit.
Thank god we didn’t defund the police Leroy JenkumQuote:
Originally Posted by leroy jenkins
anyways, good to see the gun fondling incels are for more expensive government union employees, more teachers, and more government. Good job meal team six!
A quick search confirms that the US is indeed an outlier in terms of mental illness and does have more than the average.Quote:
Originally Posted by Woodsy
No, just not the problem you'd think it is from the news.Quote:
Originally Posted by PNWbrit
Maybe if you lightened up on the insults and focused on reading comprehension yours might improve?
The problem is still humans. Sandy Hook still happens in that scenario as his mom worked there, as do lots of other school shooting scenarios.
Guns need to be harder to get with vicious penalties for acting irresponsibly with them.
Trigger locks and access control works, but jackholes still act like idiots and that's why we have ~500+ accidental gun deaths a year.
If there was mandatory training and the onus was on owners to secure their weapons, you'd likely cut this shit by 75%. But you can't because apparently not being able to carry around an unsecured loaded gun at all times is a bridge too far for paranoid idiots.
Don't understand either - its not hard - or expensive. All of the schools in these parts do this (restrict access). Only one entrance, which can only be accessed by ringing the bell under the camera and being "buzzed in" by an administrator, who requires you to have a valid reason for being there.Quote:
Originally Posted by skiJ
Its not like turning the school into a prison or having armed guards roaming the hallways. Just, make access harder. You can't just walk in.
Saw this on a different site. The end broke me…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5ykNZl9mTQ
You'd still have 30,000 + gun intentional suicides. Freedumb!!Quote:
Originally Posted by schuss
The collective needs to make the decision most of us as individuals won't. Put the onus on what's possible not what just finally happened. I'll happily give up ALL mine if society finally makes the RIGHT decision that only law enforcement should have anything that's not a hunting rifle or shotgun.. CCW for legit high risk occupations and folks with a restraining order against a violent stalker.
That's how "well regulated" militias work. It's not supposed to be every jackhat who wants an AR and isn't already a felon can have one.. That's just plain stupid and tempting fate so here we are..
That hits.Quote:
Originally Posted by Falcon3
Ammosexuals, I really don’t get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by CarlMega
Feels gross in this context but I’m actually shopping for a shotgun right now because shooting clays is really fun and I have friends who belong to a club nearby that includes both clays and duck hunting. Why in the hell would anyone need to own more than a shotgun or rifle? I just don’t get it.
This is what I had to do almost thirty years ago. It wasn't traumatic for me and much less than the consequences seem to be at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diamond Joe
it is junk like the claim that "violent crime has been on the decline since the late '80s " that has allowed the proliferation of assault and automatic firearms that has allowed these mass killings to become more common -
I have a friend and I know several people who have their permits - and believe they are safer for carrying a handgun .
I believe the claims in other threads that access to handguns is Easy in many urban cities in usofa -
I don't consider the increase of homicide by Seventy-one percent (71%) in minneapolis in 2020 to be an "uptick" - and that nothing compared to the weekly gun violence in Chicago...
I don't have an answer regarding gun ownership - except to say the Second Amendment pertained to a historic militia and has nothing to do with enabling the creation of personal armories
( assault weapons are not tools for 'hunting' game ).
I believe the claim "violent crime has declined since the late 1980s" is misinformation that has allowed the creation of arsenals that lead to these mass killings.
we need to do better.
tj
I'm writing to Senator Thom Tillis to tell him he's full of shit.
My kids elementary has bullet proof safe rooms for when a school shooting happens. But anyone can hop a fence and massacre them during recess. And the doors to the front are all glass, so that isn't stopping entrance either even if you have to get buzzed in. If they put up metal doors, they will shoot through the windows and get in. if they get rid of windows, I dunno, it's a fortress then like Basinbeater's pic but maybe someone can still drive through the metal double doors to get in.
if this is all too much effort to go massacre people - great. But these massacres will just happen somewhere else. I'd be for multiple security guards at every school all paid by high taxes on hand gun purchases AND ban assault rifles and other WMDs. Keep guns for hunting, keep hand guns for personal protection with sensible restrictions on them.
And as always, fuck all you gun fetishizing little boys masquerading as grown men. You are the biggest dorks of the world. I really hate the status quo for middle aged white men.
Umm but Sandy Hook actually had EXACTLY THAT. Lansa used the high v .223s to cut through the locked buzzer controlled metal lock on security door at the front of the school.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diamond Joe
https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2012...ine/index.html
Up to 18 dead. 19 if you include the piece of shit shooter.
You're wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by skiJ
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...me-in-the-u-s/
It's because of news stations focusing on it more.
The gun manufacturers wouldn't be able to feed the black market to Mexico if all guns had to be registeredQuote:
Originally Posted by dcpnz
Think of all the poor unemployed folks at the ammo and gun plants if gun registration became a law...why does everyone hate 'merika?
Yeah, this idea just offends me. It doesn't address the root cause which is easy access to guns by maniacs. If they can't get into schools they'll just shoot up something else. THE solution must be gun control to address gun violence. How is that not obvious to everyone?Quote:
Originally Posted by PNWbrit
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Originally Posted by The Tortoise
Pray For Newtown
Sun Kil Moon
I was a Junior in high school when I turned the TV on.
James Huberty went to a restaurant, shot everyone up with a machine gun.
It was from my hometown.
We talked about it til the sun went down.
Then everybody got up and stretched and yawned and then our lives went on.
And I just left Safeway, when I walked through my doorway.
When a guy took a bullet to an island and shot up a bunch of little kids up in Norway.
Called a few of my friends round here, but no one much really cared.
But I did, because I've got a lot of friends there.
I just arrived in Seoul, by way of Beijing.
I had an hour to myself in my hotel when I turned on the TV.
It was quite a thriller, CNN was recording the bat man killer.
His eyes were glazed like he was from Mars.
Yesterday he was no one, today he was a star.
I was down in New Orleans, at the model o.
Enjoying some time all to myself when I turned the TV on.
There were shootings in a Portland mall.
It was everyday America and that's all.
It was just another one walked down Royal Street, the rest of the world was out having fun.
December fourteenth, another killing went down.
I got a letter from a fan he said Mark say a prayer for Newtown.
I ain't one to pray, but I'm one to sing and play for women and children and moms and dads and brothers and sisters and uncles and aunts.
December twenty-fifth, and I was just laying down.
I picked up a pen, I wrote a letter to the guy in Newtown.
I said I'm sorry bout the killings, and the teachers who lost their lives.
I felt it coming on, I felt it in my bones and I don't know why.
So when Christmas comes and you're out running around.
Take a moment to pause and think of the kids that died in Newtown.
They went so young, who gave their lives.
To make us stop and think and try to get it right.
Were so young, a cloud so dark over them.
And they left home, gave their mom and dad a kiss and a hug.
So when your birthday comes and you're feeling pretty good, bake a cake for an orphan and stuff your mouth with food.
Check it off for the children who lost their lives.
Think of their families and how they mourn and cry.
When you're gonna get married and you're out shopping around, take a moment to think about the families that lost so much in Newtown.
Songwriters: Mark Kozelek. For non-commercial use only.
Steve Kerr…wow:
https://youtu.be/vPvf5RgCU08
Another ~100K for movie theaters/clubs/bars. 300-400k for places of worship (at least that's mostly weekends)... and how many grocery stores need "protection" we are only a week or so from it happening there too.Quote:
Originally Posted by The AD
Fuck you Leroy, and your more gunz incel gun fetishism.
This country is beyond fucked. We are entirely incapable of solving this.
Freedom comes with this as a side effect and it sure does suck.
what the fuck, so canada isn’t free? england? germany?
Apparently it's just "Freedom" in the USA.Quote:
Originally Posted by ex-powderbroker
The culture has to pick between "LIfe, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" and the second amendment.
Fuck youQuote:
Originally Posted by Hott Butt Mud
Freedom is not having your kid murdered in school as a direct result of not being well regulated.
That’s a real man. I’d vote for Steve Kerr for president. The truth is there’s one political party that is hell bent on fucking this country. They care for nothing but money. Fuck every GOP politician and voter! I own guns. There’s no reason to not have sensible controls and there’s only one reason we don’t have them. The Republican Party and every person who votes for them. You vote to continue the status quo of this shit happening time and again. PERIOD, take a a look in the mirror and say you’re fine with this happening to your loved ones so that the status quo of zero fucks given can continue.Quote:
Originally Posted by The SnowShow
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https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...shootings.html
Here’s sensible thinking on guns. And the only reason it doesn’t happen is the Republican Party and everyone who votes for them.
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