^ Dosen‘t the strive16 have a toe height screw for adjusting it ?Quote:
Originally Posted by onenerdykid
when looking at the pics there's a screw visible also a sign "mn plus pic of a screwdriver"
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^ Dosen‘t the strive16 have a toe height screw for adjusting it ?Quote:
Originally Posted by onenerdykid
when looking at the pics there's a screw visible also a sign "mn plus pic of a screwdriver"
strive16 has a sliding AFD. also visible in high res pics.Quote:
Originally Posted by One (+) Sentence
Why the Strive 16 exists when the STH2 16 still exists is a mystery...unless it is a bit of foreshadowing on the death of the STH toe all together.
Yes, toe height adjustment on the 16. Haven't tried adjusting for a thick soled AT boot in one yet, but its rated for multi-norm.Quote:
Originally Posted by salx
They have been trying to nix STH2 for a decade. I think Salomon initially believed that the Warden would outright replace STH.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandit Man
I believe Strive has a lower stack height that STH2. That sounds ok.
Anyone know the hole patterns for these? Demo and regular? I thought the Strive 14 was the same as a Warden 11, what about the 16 or the demo version?
The first part is probably the case. The second part about stack height is false. If you trust the info over on Ski Talk (which I do) about the bindings, The WTR STH2 toe height is 19-mm and the heel is 24.5-mm. The Strive is 21-mm in the toe and 24.5-mm in the heel. The Strive stats are the same as the Warden 13 and STH2 16 MNC. So, if anything, you get less ramp angle.Quote:
Originally Posted by One (+) Sentence
To me it’s about price points, margins, etc. “Buy our inferior product because it’s better (for Amer Sports).”
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Thanks for the info!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandit Man
I like the ramp angle of STH2, and I’m not interested in a sliding AFD.
Bumping this thread. My shop guy is trying to get me to try some Strives over P15's. Is this going to make me sad? I'm not sold on new tech and plastic. I do have a set of STH2 WTR's. Zero issues, but I don't have time on them compared to hundreds of days on select Pivots.
I'll be honest, I don't notice a huge skiing difference between the STH and P14/5. Maybe I'm not super picky or maybe it's because I haven't tested them back to back on the same skis. My STH mounted skis are radically different from anything I have mounted with Pivots.
Anybody have time on the Strives? 50 plus days or more?
If you have STH2’s why buy a new set of Strives? I mean, the heel on the 16 is the same STH2 heel. The stack height is nearly the same between the two. The DIN 16 Strive has a toe height adjustment just like the STH2 (IIRC), so what do you get with the new plastic fantastic model?
If you can get some at a big discount, I say try the Strive. Otherwise, stick with STH2’s or Pivots.
These are for the E110's that you guys have been helping me with the mount point on. I told him I wanted P15's and he's pushing me to try the Strive 16. He thinks the suspension is better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandit Man
Both of my current daily drivers have Pivots. My pow and touring skis have STH2 WTR and Shift's respectively.
I don't doubt that they may have better suspension than Pivots, but I love the durability of Pivots. Curious if anyone has skied the Strive enough to comment on it. While I like the way STH2 (13) skis, it has a fair amount of plastic. It'll take a few years for me to get enough days on those skis to qualify them against Pivots for durability.
Probably geeking out too much. Mount them and ski them. My entire setup is in the air right now, though. He's putting me in plug boots, on different skis with a binding I've never ridden. I feel like I'm going to have to work my way into this. Lots of variables.
Strives are mounted. Skiing them today. Same heal piece as the STH2, so I don't expect any surprises there. Plastic wing rollers on the toe like a Shift. I don't love that.
I have a feeling they'll ski fine, but how do they hold up??
Skiied: nothing big to report. Easy to get into. Nice solid STH like thunk. They ski great. Only complaint for now is that the toe was loose right away. Adjusting toe height is lame. I grabbed a multitool from the car and made two adjustments as the day went on. Fingers crossed that it holds.
Anybody developed any firm thoughts on the strive system yet? Looks like a lot of plastic.
I’ve been skiing the strive14s on a pair of QST 98s this year and just mounted some stance 96s with them. I ski pretty hard and I’ve had no issues. They were mounted at a shop.
See my last post. I probably have 40 days on the Strive 16. I haven't adjusted the toe height in weeks. I've released from them a couple of times when I should have and never when I didn't want to. I can't tell the difference skiing them back to back with a STH2 13. I think they work fine and feel solid. I'm mounting up some more STH2's today on my new skis, but that's because I had them already. I really wouldn't hesitate to do Strive's if that's what I had. No comment on the demo or 14. I do like the lower profile toe piece. As a guy that also skis Pivot's, I think the STH monster toe piece is kinda silly looking.Quote:
Originally Posted by jerr
Bump - couple more weeks how are these treating you?
Have both strives and STHs ready to mount, debating which skis get which binding (Stance 102 & Blank)
Any chance you could post a photo of the binding from the side? Currently mounting a pair and I want to double check how everything's supposed to look.Quote:
Originally Posted by SnowMachine
Sorry for the lack of a reply. I haven't ridden them in a few weeks. I grabbed some new skis mounted with STH's and I've been on them all spring.Quote:
Originally Posted by tupp_
FWIW: I got what I consider a pre-release from a STH2 yesterday banging some moguls. I'm not totally chalking it up to the bindings fault, but I rode away on one ski and had to hike back to my other. I don't think a Pivot would have released there. Kinda embarrassing right under the chair. :rolleyes:
If you just randomly blew out of the heel, that’s pretty much par for the course with the sth2 heel. Strive heel is functionally the same although slightly different cosmetically.
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I’m amused at the comments about blowing out of the heel when there is no reference to release value setting. When I used to take big drops and ski the park (way back when), I had to set my release values up to 12 or above to not have “pre-releases”. Now I stay in the ground more and a 9 or 10 works great. Salomon’s chart says I should be at an 8. My bindings come off way too often (regardless of brand) at an 8. My two cents. Still skeptical of the Strive “performance improvement” claims.
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I ski pivots at 11 and to avoid heel pre release on sth2 I have them cranked to 13. Salomon chart has me at a 8 to. All pre releases on sth2 have been from compressions in which there’s no way I would’ve come out on a pivot. High speed high t laps at Alta are downright dangerous with sth2 at a lower din. Compressions we’ll just randomly blow your ski off for no reason.
You kind of reinforced the point. Too low of a DIN on either binding is not good. I started to ski Pivots again this season. They are fine (I’m only at a 10) but don’t seem to have the dampening/vibration muting qualities as an STH2. But I’m not trying to change anyone’s mind. I don’t ski LCC on the regular, so there that factor to consider, too. [emoji6]Quote:
Originally Posted by altacoup
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I had a tip stuffing, forward falling, calf straining incident in pivots this year where heels did not release, I really wish they had, and anecdotally from past experience I’m certain Sth2 would have. Staying in is not always best, bindings releasing is not always wrong, so this debate above is kind of dumb (again….)
It’s not a dumb debate at all. But it’s one that each skier needs to have with themself and establish their safety priorities. For me a prerelease is more likely to end in something really really bad. Not releasing might end up with soft tissue damage (been down that road twice), but I’ll take that vs a prerelease at high speed into a tree. ACL is easier to fix than a head smashed into a tree due to prerelease.
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Yeah, I pulled out of the heel and reset the binding.Quote:
Originally Posted by altacoup
Edit: I'm a 6 on the chart. Ski at 8. I know that I can ski out of my bindings at 8, but it doesn't happen often. Basically never with a Pivot. I may go to 9 next season.
I'm pretty much trying a two ski quiver right now. One pair had STH's so I mounted the other with STH's. I like them. The angle and dampening work great for me. Before this year I've always ridden Pivots. I've pulled out of the STH's and Strives far more than I ever did on Pivots. That said, they were all justified in one way or another. My feeling is that the Pivot has a magical ability to let you pull the heel without releasing (compressions, hard bumps, etc). I think the STH's work as they should, but need more DIN. I haven't had a full blown "oh man, my ski just walked away" on STH's or Strives like I have on Shifts. I do think I'm skiing at the edge of my 8 DIN, but I haven't made the leap to crank it up higher yet. I'm old :frown:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandit Man
Bump…. Have a new Corvus to mount.
So, with STH2 16’s still available and lots of 13’s still floating around, not to mention, lots of Pivot options, what is the incentive for a Strive (of any DIN)? Price?
Strive Curiosity…… you are right. I’m a gnat & I have seen STH13s as low as $99Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandit Man
Sorry if I missed it somewhere, but have folks confirmed that the strive 14 uses the warden 11 template? Need to do a couple mounts for friends
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Fair enough. I’m curious what long term use tells about the Strive, too. But other than price, I don’t see a compelling reason to go that route.Quote:
Originally Posted by iriponsnow
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Funny.... I created my own binding post this AM.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandit Man
I don't understand the Strive. It was like a STH replacement for the sake of a STH replacement. Heck, it has a STH heel piece (on the16).
I think the main draws are a lower stack height and auto toe height vs having to adjust manually.
On hole pattern what I’ve gleaned is that they follow warden 13 pattern except strive 16 has sth2 heel, warden toe.
Just bring back the damn 916 steel or sth please. Ffs! Hate the sth2 heal track and different hole pattern.
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Thanks - I know warden 13 shares the same heel as sth2 and strive 16, so that all makes sense. And it looks like the warden toe (which is same pattern on both 11 and 13, I believe) is the same pattern as strive toe (both 14 and 16). Strive 14 heel looks like a warden 11 heel, so certainly would make sense then that the Strive 14 would share the same pattern as warden 11. If someone with a shop jig can confirm this that would be great, and I'll post something up here after I do a test mount in case others need the info.Quote:
Originally Posted by optics
I think the stack is taller, but the delta is less. My interest is purely that the STH2 WTR seems to be getting phased out at some point. I’m not really interested in the STH MNC toggle - seems like a gimmick looking for a place.Quote:
Originally Posted by optics
I’d have to measure stack height. It can’t be that much lower and it can only be the toe (at least on the 16) since it has a STH heel. The toe height is still adjustable (at least on the 16). Wings are not adjustable. They have a sliding AFD (love it or hate it)Quote:
Originally Posted by optics
I’ll be honest…. They ski like a STH. :rolleyes:
I would tend to agree here. I’ll go measure stack height. I don’t have any MNC STH’s, so no comment on those. WTR’s are available as 16’s still.Quote:
Originally Posted by iriponsnow
Rereading the info widely available on the webz: not stack height (same as sth2) just lower COM.
And obviously it goes without saying that all product companies work with varying degrees of planned obsolescence...of course they want to sell new widgets even if the old ones are fine. Most consumers aren’t paying this kind of attention they just want the new-new.
For science:Quote:
Originally Posted by optics
P15: 17/19mm
STH2 13: 17/25mm
Strive 16: 20/25mm
So, conclusively, there is less delta on the Strive than the STH2.
I’d love to ski the same skis back to back with these bindings. I’d bet that I can feel the difference between the STH2 and the Pivot. Outside that, I’m sure they feel different in terms of dampening, too.
Edit: those are my measurements just now with calipers in the garage AND edited my mistake.