I did the same thing with a pair of Mammut pants with Sunbrella marine canvas I found on Amazon. It’s stiff at first but it softens up a little, seems very durable and waterproof so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2FUNKY
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I did the same thing with a pair of Mammut pants with Sunbrella marine canvas I found on Amazon. It’s stiff at first but it softens up a little, seems very durable and waterproof so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2FUNKY
So it sounds like baker bibs are great, but QC is suspect (depending on model year?), resulting in premature failure. So that is the chance you take, and almost certainly warrantied. And they make a ton of them, and people buy them. Or you can spend double and buy arcteryx, who can’t design a proper goretex bib pant anymore, or norrona if you’re into that euro skinny fit.
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Originally Posted by Jvhowube
5 years is a strong run! Well done. You think any women have a fetish for worn bibs, ya know, just like guys that buy those used panties?
I picked up some mountain hardwear boundary gtx bibs this season. Really like them so far. Goldilocks fit between the giant bakers and the slim euro stuff. Easy to find on sale.
2nd pair of Trewth bibs here. First pair I blew out the crotch after 2 seasons, and they gave me a credit for a new pair. Pretty nice of them. I held the credit for the next season and got brand new ones. 2.5 seasons in on the new pair. No complaints. Cuffs are getting cut in spots but I suck at skiing so it is probably my fault. I'd buy them again. Fit is decent. I'm 6'2" and the XL fits me fine, a little long in the inseam maybe though.
I’m on my third pair of Norrona Lofoten bibs since 2004, which I guess is its own endorsement. It’s kind of a hybrid bib, I guess, unlike the tamok.
I like their stuff… just bought a jacket, actually. The fit for a medium has been a little bit bruising to the old ego. They fit great at 155lbs. Kinda tight at 160-165. Over 165 is a problem and I’d prefer to not discuss it anymore thank you. It’s inspired me to keep it under 160, though, and when I’m drinking too much beer they let me know promptly.
I hear you on the getting cold thing… it’s been a weird experience for me. I actually just went on thyroid medication a few months ago and have noticed a definite improvement in staying warm, among other things.
God we’re getting old.
As to the cuffs…. I screw mine up because I ski wide skis with my feet close together and I keep my edges sharp. Aqua seal plus duct tape has been my repair solution of choice, but I should find a local sewing shop that can attach some cordura or whatever.
ergo, for why are you worried about the dwr?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jvhowube
Jesus. Wash your shit. Dry it on high. No fabric softener. Quit overthinking it.
I've got about 20 days on a pair of baker bibs this season. Sledding and general ski hill duty. Rode em in a moist coast storm and they worked as well as my arcteryx. Seem tough af, not sure how you guys are destroying them.
DWR sucks all around these days due to industry goals to be more “environmentally friendly”. AFAIK there is nothing to be done here other than very regular washing with proper cleaning agents, reapplication of your wimpy dwr product of choice and machine drying to activate the chemical.
That said the waterproof breathable membrane is the key for staying dry in wet environments and under exertion. 20/20 is ideal if you’re a fat sweaty bulldog like me. You’ll find varying degrees of durability with these highly breathable 3L fabrics with most of them being a little less durable than 2L heavy duty stuff.
I wash my heavily used gore text at least once per month and more often if I’m hiking around a lot in it. Fwiw when I’m touring, I avoid gore Tex and use schoeller pants.
Interesting. Guess I’ll do a test wash with these old bibs now and see how they fare. And I was joking about smelling - if they did stink I’d wash em immediately but like I said everything here dries in minutes. And trust me I know stink - been playing hockey for 25 years.
Your Gore-Tex pants do not care how much your McDonald’s eating ass stinks. It cares how much McD’s oil is oozing out of your pores into the pores of the fabric tho that’s for certain. [emoji6]Quote:
Originally Posted by Jvhowube
Hasn’t Micol taught us not to wash? Everyone has a different way of doing this stuff, I wish the actual fabric manufacturers would just say
That’s why I Saran Wrap myself before skiing.Quote:
Originally Posted by jmedslc
Heh, ya, I feel you on the 165+ thing. Mine are bit snug around the tummy compared to two years when I was around 160. Keeps us honest, I guess??Quote:
Originally Posted by Mustonen
Need to do my AQS to the cuffs; that's the only part of the bibs that show wear. So bomber otherwise.
Re: Flylow. Like I mentioned up thread, my Bakers from a couple years ago were complete shit for durability. But my wife had the non-bib version of Bakers about 10 years ago - those things were bomber. Although the DWR sucked on them and they wetted out easily. So yeah, I think Flylow's durability / quality has just gone downhill.
Re: fit on Norrona. Some people are calling them a Euro fit. I don't see that at all, at least on the Tamok. Mine (medium, for my 5'9" 160 lbs) fit just a little snugger than the Bakers or Trewth bibs (both of which were fairly baggy on me). I had some Mammut bibs that were definitely Euro fit, and the Norronas aren't even close to that snug.
Not sure if serious…. But I warrantied my first pair of Norrona directly through Gore because they were delaminating, and the guy who handled my claim told me to wash with normal, basic detergent, skip any fabric softener, and dry on MEDIUM heat whenever they get wet or damp to avoid delaminating and keep them as waterproof as possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_pretzel
And he was kind of a dick about it.
https://www.gore-tex.com/support/care/outerwear
CORRECTION to high/medium. To be clear, I was specifically told by the dude to dry on high heat and that’s been my practice and my stupid narrow stance has led to ragged cuffs and that’s the only reason my 10 year old pair of bibs is nearing retirement.
High heat? Be careful with high heat as that in itself can cause adhesives to unfurl. Hmm - unfurl? Maybe I mean delaminate. Or COME UNGLUED!!!?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mustonen
https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...ith+aqua+seall
Fixing your own gear ^^ but if you are not gona wash them anyhow just walk all over them cuffs fuck em up and thro away when you can't stand your self
Corrected my post to avoid confusion and misinformation.Quote:
Originally Posted by jmedslc
yeah IME sometimes the seam tape will come unstuck so I try not to leave a piece in for too longQuote:
Originally Posted by jmedslc
it was the heat glued Patagucci but I had a soft shell come out of the dryer with the seam across the shoulders completely let go, a hole big enough to put yer head thru
IME with drysuits repair some gortex is real shit ( any thing made by Mustang )and some is really good ( we got kokatat that is still water proof after 10 years )
we don't wash or dry dry suits cuz too many of them and the dryer melts the latex seals
Update: Jacket and bibs are in the wash with Nikwash.
Next time buy Atsko sport wash. Better and a shit load cheaper.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jvhowube
I just wash with detergent and then run a cycle with only water to get all the detergent out
I only use spray on DWR, it comes in water based or solvent based, Big Steve used to claim solvent base was much better but i found that inconclusive
But I am pretty sure all the water based spray-on is the same stuff, I ran out of product so I did half a Arcterxy Beta in grangers and half in revivex, water repelency was about the same after 9 months
Tamok is a much more relaxed fit compared to Lofoten and especially their more active lines. The Medium Tamok jacket felt like an XL when I tried it on. Mammut though, is for sure Euro narrow.Quote:
Originally Posted by toast2266
303 ftmfw.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
Ah, that makes sense. Was kind of wondering how people were finding Norrona stuff to be so tight.Quote:
Originally Posted by alpinevibes
My medium Tamoks are maybe just a smidge big (long) on me. Probably perfect for someone 5'10".
303 is great for protection from UV and i use gallons of it but I havent seen anything that sez 303 is a DWRQuote:
Originally Posted by 2FUNKY
Huh.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
303 Fabric Guard - 32oz (30606) https://www.walmart.com/ip/45626487
https://www.303products.com.au/produ...e-fabric-guard
303 has always been the space age protectant, which i have been using for years by the gallon, I think they used it on the rubber seals on the space shuttle or sft
it looks like maybe they branched out into a solvent based DWR ?
I havent used that 303 and i don't think i would use it on latex
Has anyone tried these guys for repairs?
They run a laundry service as well
https://rainypass.com/services/
Same reason flylow (Colorado based) can make gear they label add waterproof but is less effective than scotch guard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jvhowube
They are the premier repair shop here in Seattle. Lots of Mags use them.Quote:
Originally Posted by hoarhey
You really should check out the FLylow Snowman bib for cold days. We had so many just stupid cold days in Vermont this year. I bought them 3 years ago, but use them more this year than the last 2 combined. Has good venting if you do get stuck in too warm of temps.Quote:
Originally Posted by justcuz
Thanks, that what I suspected.Quote:
Originally Posted by phatty
They also handle hard shell warranty repairs for brands like Mammut.Quote:
Originally Posted by hoarhey
And stio too
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Strafe nomad event is the best I’ve found. Breathability is top notch and balance of waterproof is really good. On sale for $250-300 and features are well thought out. Bi-directional zipper, good pockets and durable full circle cuffs.
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I actually think norrona is among the best of any brand on sizing for intended use. They have a pretty wide range depending on how it's supposed to be used. Tamok and some of the newer Lofoten are rather big for freeride and ability to layer. I'd also guess their sizing is more true to size than many Americans want to admit. I think we've gotten so used to a lot of US vanity sizing.
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