Happy to geek out on Hoji’s, but have just done so in the Hoji Free thread. Sorry, but I don’t know how link these things.Quote:
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Happy to geek out on Hoji’s, but have just done so in the Hoji Free thread. Sorry, but I don’t know how link these things.Quote:
Originally Posted by rod9301
Anyone know the BSL on these?Quote:
Originally Posted by dcpnz
288 on 26.5Quote:
Originally Posted by disco
No way…the ZGTP is 303 in a 26.5Quote:
Originally Posted by wasatchback
Different boots.Quote:
Originally Posted by thejongiest
Go compare the Backland and Hawx xtd BSL’s.
Why not? Backland Carbon is 288 in a 26.5, TLT6 was 287 . . .Quote:
Originally Posted by thejongiest
Just seems like there's no way I'll get my foot in it! I guess I could be wrong about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by gregL
My guess is you'll want to go with a 27.5 (have yet to try a Peak on) . . . I got the 26.5 Backland Carbon to work with a bunch of work, but I upsized to 27.5 in the TLT5/6 . . . as you know, I also upsized in the Dalbello Quantum boots which run short but have full 9523 sole dimensions.Quote:
Originally Posted by thejongiest
BSL has nothing to do with how these fit. These have much shorter toe and heal lugs like any boot in this class. 26.5 fits like a 26.5. Had one person comment they they were a touch shorter than ZGTP but everyone else who wears a 26.5 has skied in these no problem. Only compatible with pin bindings.
Leelau, (or anyone else) did you get a chance to test these yet?
I've held them/played with them, but haven't worn them.
Impressively light for how burly all the parts felt. Didn't feel flimsy or plastic-y like some other boots in that category feel. The Technica/industry folks who were "testing" them had really good things to say about their touring that day. I don't really tour for the distances and vertical this boot would be useful for, but having sold a lot of boots in this category I can tell that this boot is going to be a winner.
Anyone speak (understand) German 😂? In the little bit that's written they call the flex "approx 130" which is pretty surprising..
https://www.sport65.de/Shop/Wintersp...:12_10_56.html
Pretty surprising in English, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by wilcox510
All boots are a 130
We have a pair of proto 26.5s. Not my size, but disappointed to hear from folks that can fit that the instep is much higher than the zgtp. They don't seem anywhere near a 130, but I haven't even had them on my foot, and these are protos so who knows what's changed
Look, there is no way they are a 130, okay? This reminds me of the Dalbello Quantum thread from last year. I think people get excited when their favorite beef boot mf'er makes a light boot, but it's just materials, and if one characteristic is set (weight) then there's only so much that can be done elsewhere (downhill performance).
The other thing that can be modified is fit, so IMO if this skis as well as leading 1 KG boots like the F1 LT but fits a different population, it's a win.
Happy to be proven wrong...
It’s a rescaling. Cochise Pros are now a 197.5 flex.
Edit: also read somewhere that there’s a big difference in flex between the carbon and non-carbon models, I imagine by (marketing) design. it probably won’t be like the difference between Vulcan/Mercury where carbon adds a little lateral stiffness and a lot of bling factor.
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Couldn't agree more. As much as I'd love to ski them, I will never fit an F1 LT (or Alien RS) because the lower can't be punched enough (very much) for my wide feet.Quote:
Originally Posted by CirqueScaler
There have been quite a few changes to the boots since the round of protos that were being skied by a few folks in NA and Europe.
We literally just got the next round of samples last week or the week before. This round does include the stiffer carbon version as well as the non carbon. Again only in 26.5 and still not very many of them.
There were some tweaks to the protos based on feedback, which was the goal with that round of prototypes. It’s why they were sent out.
Will these ski like your 130 flex inbounds boots? Hell no! Will they be stiffer and more responsive than other boots in this category, most likely yes. They also can be punched, although not as much as a standard grilamid or pu plastic. I don’t remember the amount you can stretch them, I’ll look that up.
I personally haven’t received any feedback on the most recent samples. I would say the overall sentiment on the first round of protos was how well they skied even on skis over 100mm under foot.
A boot can have a very stiff flex laterally without having it forward ;)
I bet these will be an upgrade to my Alien RS and a complement to my ZGTPs.
I totally understand, but the issue is for those of us who drive skis from the front, or skis that respond to being driven that way, even lighter skinnier ones. That’s the reason why F1s and Backlands were a failure for me and I’ve stuck with TLT6s as long as I have (pleaseletsnotrehashhowtheTLT6skis)Quote:
Originally Posted by Summit
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OH I hear you! Thus the ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by dub_xion
I've turned down many "stiff" boots, including alpine, not only due to soft forward flex, but also due to short tongue/forward height.
Ah! Got it :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Summit
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Wasatchback - whats the cuff height like on these? People have commented that the Skorpius is one lighter boot that has a higher cuff height which makes it ski like a bigger boot, and I've heard the opposite about the Atomic backland, low cuff height, skis worse (at least older versions).
Agreed on Skorpius cuff. F1 LT cuff is about the same height as well (slightly lower in the front and higher in the back than the Skorp). New Backland still has a very low cuff, not quite as bad as the old one though.Quote:
Originally Posted by wilcox510
Currently in possession of a pair and some of the other new boots for 22/23 in the same segment (Dynafit Blacklight, Salomon MTN Summit). Have not skied any yet but first impressions are: the fit is very similar to my Zero G Pro's but so tight, especially length-wise in the same size. Oh and they are all lying through their teeth about weight on these things (+10-15% on all manufacturers, dynafit most true to weight)
Would REALLY like to hear a fit comparison of said boots. I'm in the market for something in this segment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kreemcheese
Protos and the Non carbon 26.5s were both within 10g of spec on the Skimo.Co scale… haven’t weighed the carbons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kreemcheese
Uggh! Wasatchback said upthread that one or two of his testers mentioned this as well. Why do manufacturers do this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kreemcheese
I find the Backland shorter than Hawx XTD too - eliminates it as an option because I don’t want to mash my toes on long touring days, punching lightweight tech boots for length is somewhat problematic due to warping and I sure as heck don’t want to size up and get sloppy heel, ankle fit.
Yes, please!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Thomas
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If you make you boot 3mm mm shorter per size it is lighter. If everyone else is doing it, and you don’t, your boot is too heavy to dumb idiots on the internet,Quote:
Originally Posted by dcpnz
The Hawx XTD was a perfect fit for me out of the box, the Skorpius is almost as good and no other light boot comes anywhere close. I encourage you to try the current version of the Skorp with the instep buckle because they are making the instep higher for next season.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcpnz
Did you go same size in both? Xtds are basically perfect but i did need a minor shell cook and a liner mold. Most insteps are too high and it's hard to lock down my heel in bad snow without crushing my silly shaped midfoot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benneke10
I have the Scarpa F1 XT and Dalbello Quatum Evo on their way here so will update later on those. I ski 26,5 bootsQuote:
Originally Posted by Lord Thomas
But here are some extremely quick thoughts on fit:
MTN Summit: Still weird with the heel hold, feels like it's "lower" or closer to the bottom of the foot then all the other boots I have tried, roomy instep and extremely roomy width wise in the forefoot. The gaiter will probably get destroyed in the back of the boot and there is a tab you need to pull on in order to get them on properly, felt strange first times around.
Blacklight/ TLT X: had to get them in a 27,5 in order to get them to fit length-wise (still touching) when I normally fit very good in a 26,5 Dynafit so there's that. This makes fit on the rest of the boot quite strange since the length is more like a 26.5 in my opinion but width, heel pocket, instep all seems a bit big for my foot as they would in a true 27,5. Cannot get my head around these yet.
Peak Carbon: Very tight on my feet length-wise, but good heel hold, and overall fit is very similar to my ZGPT except length and I will need to punch these in order to make it work. Not as smooth to get into walk-mode as the others due to the wires (same style as ZGTP). Very good liner, feels better and more dense than the stock ZGPT liner. Very nice flex (indoors at least), progressive but stiff enough.
Sorry for the bare minimun of information at the moment. Will circle back after I have done my 7000 feet of walking on all boots with some more in-depth info.
Thanks for the comparison, Kreemcheese, this is much more valuable than beta from someone who only has one boot and thinks it's God's Gift. Sounds like the first batch of production Zero G Peaks has just arrived in North America, so we'll see how they compare. My basis for comparison is the Scarpa Alien RS and Dalbello Quantum Asolo Factory . . .Quote:
Originally Posted by Kreemcheese
Got a pair of gen2 prototype Peak Carbons today (close to but not quite the production version). As Kreemcheese notes, they fit similarly to the Zero G Tour Pro but about 3-4mm shorter at the big toe (the toe box is shaped with a longer first phalanges already but will need a bit of a punch). Boot takes quite a bit of effort to put on due to the very stiff Grilamid in the instep area (the aft "tongue" of the interlocking shell design) but once on was surprisingly comfortable - a tad roomier through the metatarsals and medial midfoot than the Tour Pro. Flex is quite stiff, much more so than my Alien RS or Quantum Asolo Factory, we'll see how it skis next week. Weight of a 26.5 with factory footbed/insert was 1032 grams.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kreemcheese
Do you think 26.5 is the ticket for ya? Or would you consider sizing up?Quote:
Originally Posted by gregL
I feel like it's not just the plastic cuff height, but also the height and stiffness of the liner and how the liner engages with the cuff. There's a massive difference in how the original Backland Carbon skis with the stock liner, a ProTour liner, and a ProTour liner with a cinching powerstrap. I didn't like it at all in stock form, but the latter configuration feels like a completely different boot on the down and nearly as good on the up.Quote:
Originally Posted by wilcox510
I'll let you know in a week or so. It feels very much like a 26.5 in the 2nd gen TLT6 or the Backland Carbon, both of which I made work in 26.5, maybe a tad shorter because they gave it a real ISO 9523 sole. Haven't started punching it yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by thejongiest
This. The 18/19 Backland turned into my unicorn with plug wraps and a WC booster. Amazing boot for my purposes. Sounds like I’m out on the technica as usual per fit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lindahl
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