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Volkl Twos came in 196 length and the recommended mount point is -10cm from center. Never skied them but I love the Ones. Twos have been out of production for some time now.Quote:
Originally Posted by rob stokes
Personally at 5’7’’ ~175lb I’d be mounting them +4 from there :fmicon:
Yes, they are. Not sure you'd want them as a DD, but they're very well made I haven't had any durability issues with mine after several seasons of mixed resort and touring.Quote:
Originally Posted by rob stokes
Had 196’s mounted on the line. Tips were too soft for when things get chewed. Don’t have them anymore.
I’m going Heritage Lab R120 50/50 build. 185cm and flat not full reverse but I’m willing to overlook 5cm and some camber. Plus, they’re hot pink… waayyyy faster than red!
Ha. I'm still trying to figure out where I'm from.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1000-oaks
Haven't skied my VWerks yet, but as Joey said, Confessions could be an option. 193s are hard to come by in Canada, but I found a pair here: http://www.snowfit.co.uk/volkl-confession-2018.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by rob stokes
Tick all your boxes except not full reverse, camber is pretty mellow though. 2370 g/ski. Only a couple May days (May 19th), but they charge pow, slarve well with good technique, ski like a Volkl in firm, and @ 200#, the shovel has a really good balance between smashing variable, and still planing up some in pow. Singlecross sounds like he's onto something too.
Going +2 (-12) with a PT12 on my 191s. With all the precip in the forecast, hopefully have a bunch of days on both soon, see if we're even close. My guess is they won't be as pivotable as VWerks, but with the tongue pressured, they'll do anything I want. Volkl makes good Blackcomb skis.
I have some Volkl one in 186, I find they don't float any better than the vwerx katana, maybe worse to be honest. I like them in shallow pow though.
I wish they still made a Shiro, I think I would that.
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You should try a Renegade, Rob. I'd like to try a Nocta. But my Ren just feels perfect every time I'm in the deep. Not enough suspension in crud, though. If I were still in Tahoe, I'd wanna try the Heritage 120.
In my experience the 186 Volkl One generally floats about as as well as 196 white room Renegades and has less tip dive at slower speeds until the skis really plane up.
Shiro is a good idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by rob stokes
You can send me those Ones for proper disposal [emoji41]
Always been curious about the ren and the nocta but been put off with mount point.
Didn't like the hoji when it got deep due to tip dive problems. Loved it in shallow wet or crusty snow though. In fact, the hoji is what brought me to the Katana as I was looking for something similar with a more traditional mount.
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Oh. Ya. I kinda forgot the nocta fell in there. I have one. In a 190. I had a 185 and it skied to short. Went to a 190 and love it. It likes to be driven. It’s fun as shit. Super energetic too. It’s one of those skis I wish was made in a 195. But the 190 skis true to length, It can handle chop alright but loves fresh snow. It’s light enough that I have a duke pt16 on them and tour with them occasionally when the snow is really good and I’m not climbing on my ferox.
Kapow has that confession for sale.
and a super sweet VTA108.
KVW is the best ski I've ever ridden. If there was ever a quiver of one, which isn't really possible, the katana would be the closest.
6' 225# on 191 with kingpins, +1 or +2 cm, unless you only ski straight and open.
The only place they suck is flat long cat walks, theyre a bit spooky w full rocker and not enough speed to get on an edge hahahaha.
I always bring two skis on every trip, and the KVW is ALWAYS one of them. 125mm megawatts if it's nuking, mantras or kendos if the snow is no bueno...
Lightest touring setup? Nope, but I also don't meadow skip.
Find em on sale and don't look back. How many skis has volkl ever sold w/o needing to change anything other than the graphics?
Not for the faint of heart, they need a good/aggressive driver
Great thread. I'm thinking of pulling the trigger on some KVW 191 or 188 Rustler 11's to replace my 186 Confessions. I already have a BMT 109 for touring, so these would be dedicated resort......Anyone skied both? I'm 6ft 170lbs and ski mainly Whistler...
Guess I could entertain selling the 109 and do the KVW with Duke PT's as a one ski resort/touring pow quiver (also have Mantra M5's for low snow days)....
I have both of them plus KVW 184. Skied my Rustlers as my soft snow ski until I got a pair of K108 184. Since the addition of the Katanas I haven’t used the Rustlers. Bought the KVW as my soft snow and spring glop ski. For those conditions nothing I’ve skied is more fun or easier to handle.
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Hey Milkman,Quote:
Originally Posted by milkman
Still too bony on BComb to take my 191 KVWs out, but will report back after another cycle or two. I also have time on Confessions and Rustler 11s, in the longer lengths though (6'2/195). If you don't find luck with a comparison of your chosen lengths, hit me up if you think it'll help.
Coles Notes is that in the longest lengths, in our maritime snowpack, at our resort, Confessions are a fair bit more ski than Rustler 11s, so if you go that route, I would consider upsizing to 192s, assuming you want the same amount of ski as your 186s for pow and chop in open spaces. For a whole bunch of reasons (186 being comparable in weight, radius, and width dims to 192s, partial metal v full length, softer flex, turned up and more releasable tail, and shorter true lengths on the Rustler by a cm or two), I think they would be the closer comparable to your 186s, as the non-metal sections of tip and splayed out tail are easy to bend in comparison. That pretty much sums it up actually, haha.
An M5, and KVW or R11 for resort, with a BMT 109 for touring sounds rad to me; can't really lose. Love my Confessions, but wish I never sold my Rustlers, room for both, and both great skis. Bunch of good info on Rustlers in the Blizzard thread as well c/o Gweilo, Whyturn, Meter-Man, et al. My 2 bits. Cheers.
Edit to add: My R11s were 2019 green ones; as the new orange ones are a bit heavier, probably fair to say that, re weight, 186 Confessions (2257g/evo) fall between orange 188s (2159g/evo), and 192s (2336g/KimJong's from the Blizzard Thread).
Thx for the insight Sylvan. Let me know how the 191 KVW ski. Here's hoping we get a bit more snow next week!
Swissbro, interesting that you prefer the K108 in the pow compared to R11....Do you prefer the K108 to KVW in pow?
I prefer the KVW. The K108 handles marginal conditions much better for me especially hard snow that I often find getting to powder at resorts that any small advantage the R11 might have I overlook. If conditions are optimum I take the KVW or my Protests.Quote:
Originally Posted by milkman
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First day on the k108.
Groomers only, with 3 turns on breakable.
Fantastic skis, they replaced my old metal katanas.
They ski like a gs race ski
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A couple of days on the 177 k108 now and i noticed that i have to be more careful with my front aft balance than in my 184 old katanas.
Could be that they are shorter, or it could be that the tail is stiffer, but i caught myself in the back seat a couple of times, something that very rarely happened on that old katanas.
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FYI - there is a dedicated K108 thread.
Hmm.... maybe the tune?Quote:
Originally Posted by rod9301
I'm also on the 177 and I haven't really had that except in heavier powder situations, and rarely.
Edit: I'm at +1cm, FWIW
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The full rockered Katana, while stiff, could skied in a centered of slightly forward stance, IMO. You gotta get on the front of your boots on the K108 to get the most out of it. Even then, it’s pretty easy to figure out. It’s the most user-friendly version of the Katana IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by rod9301
I’d expect that there may be an adjustment needed moving from your old 184’s to the new K108 due to the rocker and sidecut differences.
It's no big deal,i can adjust, it reminded me of a race ski that can get away from you if you load the tails
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Got a screaming deal on a pair of 184 V-Werks on consignment the other day. However, they're mounted with Duke Epf bindings. I'm not going to use these skis for touring, so I don't care about the weight. Any reason to swap the bindings out for something else? For context, I ski 90/10 backcountry/resort, and this will be my only dedicated resort setup.
Finally got out on these today. Some 2D Harmony laps on and off piste followed by a quick walk to Flute Main for some consolidated boot deep pow. Honestly, nothing really to add, great ski, accurate thread. Walk well, and they feel like a lighter K108. And for my general mounting preferences (Pivots at -10ish), the 191 at +2(-12) w/ a Duke PT 12 felt great.Quote:
Originally Posted by milkman
And agree with everything ^ Swissbro said. Of the three skis you're thinking about, the K108 might be the most natural Confession replacement as a WB DD (variable). That said, I was really surprised how much top end the KVW has for a 2048 gram ski; if u went KVW, you might just ski your M5s a bit more in comparison. And with a new Rustler 11 release apparently imminent per Robnow (thanks), you could probably grab a current gen on the cheap in the near future. They're all great; I don't think you can get this wrong. Enjoy man!Quote:
Originally Posted by swissbro
For me, the toe high ramp angle in alpine boots, high stand height, awkward entry in powder, lack of toe piece elasticity, and weight would be reason enough to swap them for STH2s asap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeb McHardman
Finally feeling confident about the coverage to take my KVWs out today, in fresh boot deep powder and soft chop, snowing hard. I simply cannot imagine a better ski for these conditions. Any turn shape, any speed, just effortless.
Scored 191 today. Plan on moving ATK FR14 from Line Vision 108 and make it my mid-season touring pair.
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The rocker profile is so fun; carve or slarve, no matter. Super impressed with how they matched the flex to the weight of the ski also, for my 195# anyway. Was on K108s in resort this morning in similar conditions; good times were had.Quote:
Originally Posted by kootenayskier
Nice. Between K108s for resort, and KVWs for touring, think I'm gonna be selling some skis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robik
Never mind.
Anyone skiing these in resort?
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Was selling mine that have FR14s on them. Then found some new alpine bindings in the back of the gear closet that I’d forgotten about, so I’m mounting them up for inbounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shorty_J
I'll put alpine clamps if no one buys mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shorty_J
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My current lift serviced soft conditions ski, mounted with STH2s.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shorty_J
I've got a line on a pair locally for a good price but I definitely would not tour with them... I don't tour much anyway and already have something I really like to tour on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robik
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Ok another checkmark... thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaliBrit
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I have a pair of 184's for sale in the sea to sky (BC). PM me if you are interested.
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Price? Will you ship to alberta?Quote:
Originally Posted by rob stokes
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Nevermind... just bought a pair. I'm sizing up to the 184... pretty sure I can handle it but we will see.
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I am 6’3” 190lbs and am an advanced skier, but getting older, 59 now. I sold my 184’s only because in really deep snow they felt a bit teeter tottery. 191’s solved that issue, but otherwise, I didn’t notice much difference with the added length. I am mounted on the line.Quote:
Originally Posted by skt07
Historically, I have been more of a traditional mount guy, but lately have been enjoying more progressive mounted skis and when I get back on the Katana’s it’s a bit of an adjustment for the first few minutes, but I quickly get back into it. They are designed to ski best from that mount point. I was marveling just a couple of days ago at how maneuverable they were slashing relatively tight turns through powder in the trees. They can be released into skidded turns fairly easily in deep snow as well as locking into fast carved turns.
I would recommend mounting them on the line and just getting used to them. If all else fails and you can’t live with it, remount further forward. They are very strong in the mounting area with dense wood and thick carbon layers and a remount is not a problem.
I have the 184s, mounted 1.5cm forward. 165lbs, love them
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