Williams is probably close to Stanford in terms of difficult to get into, it's way up there.Quote:
Originally Posted by dan_pdx
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Williams is probably close to Stanford in terms of difficult to get into, it's way up there.Quote:
Originally Posted by dan_pdx
TT- are you saying she only wants to run in college if she can get a scholarship? Or is she still interested in running without a scholarship if other objectives (academics, location, etc.) are met?
If she wants to run I wouldn't write off D1 running opportunities (scholarship or non-scholarship) simply based on her current PRs, assuming they are at altitude and given that she hasn't run her junior track season yet. Once you hit a certain level a good college coach is not going to nitpick a few seconds in a kid's mile PR or XC times, but will recruit the athletes who show long-term potential to develop and succeed under an increased training load.
And even if she ultimately comes up short on running for XC powerhouses that are on her list (Stanford, CU, Oregon, and NAU) there are a ton of other great D1 XC programs out there at very strong academic schools. As others have mentioned, running might be able to give her an admissions pull at places where her grades and other accomplishments might otherwise have not been enough.
And running or not, +1 on visiting a bunch of places to help narrow down the list.
My buddy’s daughter went to St Andrew’s and had a good experienceQuote:
Originally Posted by skaredshtles
It's not quite that bad (my son is at Williams, didn't even bother applying to Stanford). And a ~18:00 5k/5:0x mile could make her a recruit at Williams (with an admissions preference) but probably not even a walk-on at Stanford.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danno
OP - I assume you're familiar with runcruit.com? Gives you some idea on the times needed at various schools. I'll agree with others - if she doesn't need a scholarship, those kind of times can be a hook for a top (academically) D3 school. Once she's there she can decide whether to keep competing or quit, there's nothing binding. I'd suggest looking at the NESCAC schools (several mentioned already) as well as Grinnell, Carleton, Oberlin, Swarthmore, Davidson, Colorado College, Claremont schools, Occidental. With her grades and a recruiting hook she's got a good shot at any of these, especially if she applies ED1. Definitely talk to coaches and work any connections her coach has.
Any interest in a women's college? Several great schools that can be relatively easier to get into (compared with co-ed schools with similar academics): Barnard, Wellesley, Smith, Mt Holyoke, Bryn Mawr, Scripps. Not for everyone though.
In addition to UPS and Lewis & Clark, I'd look at Willamette, Reed, and Whitman. My daughter (currently a senior in HS) visited all 5 and liked Willamette the best.
Agree. Look at smaller schools in the SE. I have a former boss who’s kid is running CC at Samford near Bham. Does Sewanee have a CC team? Etc…there’s a lot of good smaller schools in the SE, that might need some CC athletes.Quote:
Originally Posted by TNKen
Elon in NC is another…looks like they have a good CC team…granted I know nothing of CrossCountry
https://elonphoenix.com/sports/womens-cross-country
I taught at one of these schools for a while, so if she is interested and has questions, I'm happy to answer any questions. I'm obviously a middle aged dude, but my students had a pretty impressive propensity for over-sharing, so I think I have a pretty good read on things. They can be great, but as teledad says, they aren't for everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by teledad
Also, if she really does want to study business, I'm not aware of any of the women's colleges that have a business major. It was always seen as too applied and not liberal artsy enough (I'm sure it's true for some of the other liberal arts schools as well). Most of the business interested students studied economics.
Elon is a lovely school.
Davidson is another good rec.
Totally biased here but I’d look at Emory as well. Ranked in the Top 25 for National Universities (undergrad) Law, B-School, Med School, Nursing and Public Health.
Nationally portable degree (as discussed above) and it appears their cross country program is pretty successful based on a quick google:
https://www.emoryathletics.com/sports/wxc/index
I hoped my daughter would have shown an interest in Colgate when she was looking at colleges. She ended up at Syracuse and LeMoyne. Colgate’s supposed to have a Wall St pipeline. Their recruiting standard is a 5:20 mile for women.
I'd definitely recommend the Claremont Colleges if she's interested in both cross country and track and strong academics. I graduated from CMC in 2017 and ran my first two years in college--great group of kids and solid coaching. Both the women's and men's programs are consistently ranked in the top-10 nationally and are known for developing runners as much as recruiting well. There is more of a party scene at the colleges than people might expect, but it's pretty easy to avoid if you're not looking for it. The open enrollment among campuses is also a huge plus, in that you can take as many classes as you want at any of the five colleges, regardless of which school you're actually enrolled at.
With a 3.88, she is going to have a tough time getting into US schools. They are kind of like Chapel Hill in that most (except Berkley and UCLA) are fairly easy to get in if you are a Cali. resident, but very difficult if you live out of State). For OOS students, they usually like the student to do a year at a Cali Community college, and then transfer into a UC school. My son and daughter both had friends who graduated PCHS with over 4.0 and 30+ ACT who were rejected from UCLA, UCSD, UC Berkley and UC Davis. Maybe Loyola or Occidental which are both great business schools.
If she is willing to consider Middlebury, which is not a business school, she should look at both Babson and BC which are both business schools, and both easier to get in to.
Has she considered College?
https://i.pinimg.com/236x/4f/02/bf/4...lege-dorms.jpg
FWIW, Reed is not really a place where people go for business degrees.Quote:
Originally Posted by teledad
They're awfully libuhral ahrtsy fartsy there.
It's great for STEM (turns out highest percentage of STEM Ph.Ds per STEM grads in the country) and classical subjects though.
It's a feeder school for graduate degrees in academia mostly with a few people doing more practical stuff like law and med school.
Yes, the university of Oregon (Animal House) was on her list! Track Town would be legit for her.Quote:
Originally Posted by huckbucket
Thanks to this thread I looked up tuition costs for some of these schools. HOLY SHIT, that’s expensive!
I think our total student loans maxed out at about $60K for my daughter, who graduated 13 years ago. These days, that’s less than 1 year at many of these places. Don’t really know how people do that.
but not Temple--
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/29/u...smid=url-share
If a kid wants to live an outside life Middlebury is a top choice. The ski area kicks ass, the XC ski area does too and the mt biking is top notch. The town appears to be vibrant and successful and the area is beautiful. Williams has a similar outdoorsy potential but not on the same level.
Yes and no. Boston metro is good because of the density of schools and where the alums go. I know when I was in the bay area it was a third bostonians/new york metro people, then a third internationals and maybe a third local.Quote:
Originally Posted by I've seen black diamonds!
If she's doing a business degree and wants to pursue that, she'll want an undergrad with hard math like CompSci or even math. Psych isn't bad either as long as she takes the statistical courses. Being able to rapidly interpret data and smell magical math is invaluable to any business leader.
I'd highly recommend she go somewhere that's different from where she is - as a CO native, she probably knows CO culture pretty well - time to explore another one. I didn't mature as fast when I was around the familiar - it was only once I started interacting with cultures that were different that I really started learning about life. Pop that bubble.
Lots of good schools here, but as others noted - make it about the academics, not the creature comforts.
yeah, had I known then what I know now about myself and what makes me tick, and wanted a similar academic environment to where I went (Haverford), Middlebury would be very high on my list today.Quote:
Originally Posted by gravitylover
Yeah, I mean, if you can pull off the undergrad math or engineering major, do a couple years as an analyst at a big company and then go and get your MBA, that's a good way to do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by schuss
But, having done heavier quantitative lifting like that myself, it's not valued as much in corporate America as you would hope. When your boss struggles through an accounting degree, knowing how to code and do statistical work can get you locked in a back room doing all the real work while empty suits climb the corporate ladder. But that might just mean I need a new job. Lolz.
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I spent a summer at Middlebury getting my ass kicked in the summer language programs back in the 90s. Lots of nice country roads for running around there, and I recall there was climbing a short drive from campus, though I can't speak to the quality. I guess there's a ski area too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danno
Middlebury's language programs are a real strength / differentiator if that's of interest.
Circling back to say that had I known about UBC it definitely would have been in my consideration set.
“Been down so long it looks like up to me”: when people in this thread went to college:: “the rules of attraction” dreams of New England liberal arts colleges in this thread: op’s daughter going to college
SAT no longer requiredQuote:
Originally Posted by dunfree
but i guess it no longer does analogies either anyway
Don't bogaRt that joint my friend, pass it over to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by dunfree
WWU double alum + former faculty here. Western would be a great location if she wants something small to mid-sized, laid back, and outdoors.
But I would encourage you both to be realistic about what she wants out of college and how much you are willing to spend/she is willing to go into debt. Some folks in this thread have knocked on community college, but I can tell you that at least in Bellingham, the quality of teaching for 1st and 2nd year courses is equivalent at Whatcom Community College and Western Washington University (although there is less range in available classes at WCC). I have two friends who graduated from Western as department student of the year (one in history, one in business) and both did 2 years at community college before transferring to Western, so don't reject the community college option for fear of poor academic standards (of course this may not be a concern if you have dentist money). I did all 4 years of my undergrad at Western, but only because I was eligible for National Merit scholarships that made it cheaper than community college. Even with WUE rates, it would be pretty easy to rack up $80k in student debt in 4 years of school, and she won't be graduating into the most promising job market if current trends continue.
I've done a fair amount of advising for high school seniors and first-year college students so shoot me a PM if you have any other questions (about Western Washington University or college in general) - I'd be happy to discuss my own experience and what I saw with many of my students.
Western Washington has always been one of my dream schools to teach at. Not that I know that much about the school itself, but I thought Bellingham would be an ideal place to live and it has a specific quantitative social science program. They had a job that I vaguely fit a few years ago, but they weren't interested. I teach at a more comparable school now, so maybe once I'm tenured I'll see if they need someone to fill out their Data Science program as it looks like it's basically cobbled together form CS stuff right now. I think I might have a hard time getting my wife away from perpetual sunshine though (and the cost of housing seems to have really risen in the last few years).Quote:
Originally Posted by gavinski91
I just heard about a great opportunity at the University in Iskenderun. You would know every local custom, blend in...Quote:
Originally Posted by MarcusBrody
I absolutely would. As long as anyone there speaks English!Quote:
Originally Posted by Art Shirk
The most successful tech and business people I've seen are one of three things:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirshredalot
1. Work twice the hours of everyone else (ops) and have a good read on people
2. Can sell ice to an Inuit
3. Have enough hard skills to cut through the bullshit.
There's plenty of shitty execs out there, but those with some semblance of balance lean towards the hard skills side, as it's not as easily picked up conceptually.
Also yes, find a better place that promotes fewer jackholes.
I thoroughly enjoyed my time at UNH, but it has nowhere near the network/opportunity of being a midd kid or similar.
This x2…..Having gone through the whole process with both my daughters…I realize what a dumbass, stubborn mule I was when I was 18 yo. My dad tried his best to show me the way back in 1988/89….and I really missed out on some great visits to see schools and all they have to offer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danno
As someone who is in education for 25+ years and works closely with HS student athletes as they prepare for the transition from HS to college/trades/military..…..there is really good advice in this thread. Hopefully the OP takes advantage of the resources provided in this thread.
Good luck….it’s a fun, interesting process.
Does anyone here speak English, or even Ancient Greek?Quote:
Originally Posted by Art Shirk
Not required, but if you have a good SAT/ACT score does it help?Quote:
Originally Posted by ::: :::
My nieces, one in college the other a senior in HS, elected not to take the SAT or ACT because in their pre-tests their scores were dogshit. their GPAs are good, and hope/hoped it would be enough in combination with their extracurriculars to get into a school of their liking. Oldest niece got into Syracuse. That's my only perspective on this so far...I haven't heard of people electing to take the SAT because it would increase their chances so I have to assume it doesn't. If that's the case why would anyone take the test?
i suspect it does helpQuote:
Originally Posted by Adolf Allerbush
but i have no special insight
the current hold on standard test results may never come back or it may be back as soon as schools can be relied upon to stay open for the year
It increases your chances if you get good scores. People who are likely to get good scores (or at least scores in ranges that are comparatively higher than their GPAs) are likely to take it. And a lot of top places still require them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adolf Allerbush
Yes, good test scores help, I'm sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adolf Allerbush
The colleges who went SAT-optional years ago did so in part to game the US News rankings. If you make it optional, who submits their scores? Then, when you submit the average SAT score of your freshman class to US News, how does it look?
Plus, you get to put out some high-minded press release. Furthermore, it's easier to admit the braindead children of your WASP-y alumni/donors on the basis of their 3.5 at some prep school and a sterling essay that was obviously written by someone else. It's amazing more schools weren't in on this scam sooner.
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The rankings game is an interesting cat and mouse scenario. The US News discounts your score by 15% if you don't hit a certain threshold of scores being submitted, but it just depends whether that helps you more than it hurts you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirshredalot
There is so much great advice here. I’m running out the door but wanted to let y’all know that this is all appreciated. Thanks.
I didn't realize they were applying that penalty now. I was thinking way back to my undergrad days.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarcusBrody
My alma mater extended the test optional policy for another year. They must figure there's no way they're falling beneath that threshold and taking the 15 percent hit.
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As shown in the Times link above, schools routinely and effectively cheat the USNWR rankings, though at least Temple got caught at it. These anecdotal reports in the thread probably mean more than those fancy rubrics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirshredalot