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06-03-2021, 04:26 PM
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the Concorde was small
i hope this Boom thing is more generously furnished/sized for your Speedy Lounge
06-03-2021, 04:26 PM
JimmyCarter

https://media.tenor.com/images/a6b54...415b/tenor.gif
06-03-2021, 04:34 PM
Buster Highmen

A flying grape?
06-03-2021, 05:24 PM
MontuckyFried

Still pretty amazing to me how the Concorde first flew 52 freaking years ago (1969). Seems that asides from cheap airfare, air travel has devolved significantly. I remember as a kid thinking that if we had such luxurious, supersonic travel BACK THEN, oh what would air travel be like in 2020+?! ...sigh... oh well. At least it's dirt cheap. Or something.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concorde
06-03-2021, 05:44 PM
BmillsSkier

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Originally Posted by ötzi

Call the lounge the "Boom Boom Room"

We rented a houseboat on Lake Cumberland for 4th of July in undergrad that had a “bonus” room on the roof by the hot tub that got dubbed the Boom Boom room for a variety of reasons.

Supersonic speeds could have really upped the ante on the goings on that happened in there.
06-03-2021, 06:13 PM
Buster Highmen

Concorde?
They could have at least named it Pinot Noir.

Sheesh.
06-03-2021, 06:29 PM
Adolf Allerbush

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Originally Posted by MontuckyFried

Still pretty amazing to me how the Concorde first flew 52 freaking years ago (1969). Seems that asides from cheap airfare, air travel has devolved significantly. I remember as a kid thinking that if we had such luxurious, supersonic travel BACK THEN, oh what would air travel be like in 2020+?! ...sigh... oh well. At least it's dirt cheap. Or something.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concorde

The X59 is what folks should pay attention to IMO. If they're able to fix the sonic boom issues that the concorde had we'll be able to fly over land...makes flying coast to coast fur the day feasible.

https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/n...inal-assembly/
06-03-2021, 07:24 PM
Ted Striker

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Originally Posted by MontuckyFried

I remember as a kid thinking that if we had such luxurious, supersonic travel BACK THEN, oh what would air travel be like in 2020+?! ...sigh... oh well. At least it's dirt cheap. Or something.

The industry term is "bus riders". As soon as the airlines saw them as a potential revenue stream, it was all over.
06-03-2021, 08:21 PM
Toadman

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Originally Posted by ötzi

"Boom" doesn't seem like a very auspicious name for a plane company. I know they're trying to be cute with sonic boom, but still.

Sonic is already taken, so...Boom it is. Would have been better to go with Boom! That exclamation point adds a certain bit of excitement.
06-03-2021, 08:51 PM
huckbucket

what went wrong the first time around?
06-03-2021, 09:07 PM
bennymac

http://www.theguardian.com/world/200...se.focus/print

THE REAL STORY OF FLIGHT 4590: SPECIAL INVESTIGATION: A freak 'single cause' accident was blamed when an Air France Concorde crashed in flames in Paris last year, killing 114 people. But a number of errors which could have been avoided may have played a part in the disaster.

The investigation by The Observer suggests the truth may not only be more complicated, but also sadder, more sordid. Men, not God, caused Concorde to crash, and their omissions and errors may have turned an escapable mishap to catastrophe.
06-03-2021, 09:30 PM
ötzi

I used to live 7 miles straight north of Dulles airport. The Concorde took its weekly trip to France around noon Sundays. You could hear that thing on the runway down in Dulles as it was taking off, then it would head north and do a big slow curve until it was heading east, it basically curved around us. You could hear that thing forever as it traveled east, it had to be audible for 40 miles at least. Crazy unmuffled pure horsepower.
06-03-2021, 09:32 PM
BmillsSkier

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Originally Posted by Ted Striker

The industry term is "bus riders". As soon as the airlines saw them as a potential revenue stream, it was all over.

Please tell me the industry term for coach is also “Steerage”.

I’d at least feel a little classier sitting there.
06-03-2021, 09:40 PM
PNWbrit

My 88 year old dad volunteers at the Duxford Air Museum in the UK.

He's "in charge" of their Concorde.

And loves showing that he has the key to one on his key ring.

I dont think they actually had keys in service, Ted could possibly confirm.
06-04-2021, 01:24 AM
abraham

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Originally Posted by PNWbrit

My 88 year old dad volunteers at the Duxford Air Museum in the UK.

He's "in charge" of their Concorde.

And loves showing that he has the key to one on his key ring.

I dont think they actually had keys in service, Ted could possibly confirm.

Badass.
Pretty sure I remember visiting there as a kid. They have/had one of the very few remaining airworthy Mosquitos.
06-04-2021, 08:02 AM
Timberridge

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Originally Posted by PNWbrit

I dont think they actually had keys in service, Ted could possibly confirm.

They seem to steal anything not locked up in the UK.
06-04-2021, 08:07 AM
BmillsSkier

That’s why Clarkson says he can’t understand pick up trucks for the life of him. It’s like the lost pole swap bin at the base of Copper.

Help yourself.
06-04-2021, 08:16 AM
Benny Profane

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Originally Posted by ötzi

I used to live 7 miles straight north of Dulles airport. The Concorde took its weekly trip to France around noon Sundays. You could hear that thing on the runway down in Dulles as it was taking off, then it would head north and do a big slow curve until it was heading east, it basically curved around us. You could hear that thing forever as it traveled east, it had to be audible for 40 miles at least. Crazy unmuffled pure horsepower.

I forgot about that noise issue. It pretty much severely limited the spread of those things.
06-04-2021, 08:16 AM
subtle plague

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Originally Posted by Timberridge

Well, since old fashioned subsonic air travel has become such a shitshow--city buses are a more pleasant way to travel--don't discount the desire of people who have the means to travel this way.

Why buy a Ticket? If you can own your own boom?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=onPaMnxQ3lo
06-04-2021, 08:20 AM
Timberridge

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Originally Posted by Benny Profane

I forgot about that noise issue. It pretty much severely limited the spread of those things.

And the sonic boom thing preventing them from flying over land.
06-04-2021, 08:40 AM
ötzi

That thing was crazy loud even without the boom. By far the loudest plane I've ever heard.
06-04-2021, 08:54 AM
Timberridge

They were loud. It needed afterburners for takeoff. The current reigning noise champion is the B1 bomber.
06-04-2021, 09:12 AM
BmillsSkier

Yeah but can the B1 have me drinking wine at a sidewalk cafe in Paris in 3 hours?
06-04-2021, 09:13 AM
bennymac

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Originally Posted by BmillsSkier

Yeah but can the B1 have me drinking wine at a sidewalk cafe in Paris in 3 hours?

Probably yeah
06-04-2021, 09:36 AM
Ted Striker

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Originally Posted by PNWbrit

My 88 year old dad volunteers at the Duxford Air Museum in the UK.

He's "in charge" of their Concorde.

And loves showing that he has the key to one on his key ring.

I dont think they actually had keys in service, Ted could possibly confirm.

It's an old practical joke, along the lines of "We're going to need to get this higher to work on it. Go to the tool room and ask them for a long stand" or "go down to spares, and ask them for some flight line"

I think the idea originated from the real Concorde keyrings that BA gave out (or sold?) onboard.
06-04-2021, 09:44 AM
Ted Striker

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Originally Posted by BmillsSkier

Yeah but can the B1 have me drinking wine at a sidewalk cafe in Paris in 3 hours?

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Originally Posted by bennymac

Probably yeah

From ATL? no.

The Concorde was way faster.
06-04-2021, 10:00 AM
bennymac

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Originally Posted by Ted Striker

From ATL? no.

The Concorde was way faster.

The original B1 had max speed over Mach 2.

But yes - the final B1 topped out at 1.25 - so Concorde would have you there much earlier.
06-04-2021, 10:15 AM
CantDog

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Originally Posted by ötzi

I used to live 7 miles straight north of Dulles airport. The Concorde took its weekly trip to France around noon Sundays. You could hear that thing on the runway down in Dulles as it was taking off, then it would head north and do a big slow curve until it was heading east, it basically curved around us. You could hear that thing forever as it traveled east, it had to be audible for 40 miles at least. Crazy unmuffled pure horsepower.

Yes! Growing up in NOVA that was such a distinctive sound and image. As a kid my Dad would take me to Dulles to watch them take off. So cool.
06-04-2021, 10:18 AM
Mazderati

Fun fact: NYC, DC, London, Paris, and...Barbados of all places were the only regular destinations for the Concorde. Barbados has or had an example setup as a museum. The planes are huDge.
06-04-2021, 10:21 AM
Ted Striker

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Originally Posted by bennymac

The original B1 had max speed over Mach 2.

The prototype? I didn't realize it was that fast.

The reason the production B-1B isn't anywhere near as fast as the Concorde is that it needed to have a way larger flight envelope, i.e. it's fast everywhere. The Concorde is only fast above FL400.
06-04-2021, 10:24 AM
Ted Striker

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Originally Posted by Mazderati

The planes are huDge.

But the inside is tiny.
06-04-2021, 10:34 AM
bennymac

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Originally Posted by Ted Striker

The prototype? I didn't realize it was that fast.

The reason the production B-1B isn't anywhere near as fast as the Concorde is that it needed to have a way larger flight envelope, i.e. it's fast everywhere. The Concorde is only fast above FL400.

To be clear my plane knowledge is at a Wikipedia level.
06-04-2021, 11:01 AM
abraham

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Originally Posted by Ted Striker

But the inside is tiny.

Yeah I'd be surprised if people would fly in one now even with the faster speed. Walking into one felt really cramped.
06-04-2021, 11:43 AM
huckbucket

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Originally Posted by bennymac

To be clear my plane knowledge is at a Wikipedia level.

Oh, Oh! I know this one. FL400 = 40K feet above sea level
06-04-2021, 11:47 AM
PNWbrit

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Originally Posted by Mazderati

Fun fact: NYC, DC, London, Paris, and...Barbados of all places were the only regular destinations for the Concorde. Barbados has or had an example setup as a museum. The planes are huDge.

Didn't Air France fly to Rio and Mexico City?
06-04-2021, 12:11 PM
Timberridge

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Originally Posted by PNWbrit

Didn't Air France fly to Rio and Mexico City?

Although one time they didn't quite make it.
06-04-2021, 12:21 PM
Adolf Allerbush

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Originally Posted by Ted Striker

But the inside is tiny.

and at most you could bring 26lbs of baggage with you. If you had more it came on another plane.
06-04-2021, 12:24 PM
ötzi

Seems unfair to the skinny people.
06-04-2021, 12:24 PM
bennymac

the issue of having customers expecting that the return flight would be on a concorde and nothing else (given the ticket cost) - and that this meant having a spare concorde parked at the destinations (NYC DC etc) - is an interesting one.
06-04-2021, 12:26 PM
Timberridge

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Originally Posted by Adolf Allerbush

If you had more it came on another plane.

Father's mistress had to do this when we took family vacations on the G4.

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