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Interesting.... and they’re available heavily discounted in my size.Quote:
Originally Posted by kootenayskier
Honestly haven’t looked at or considered a sally touring boot since trying on the MTN - the last shape on that thing was absolutely terrible for my foot. Are you saying the S-lab x alp is radically different?
This is where the liner quiver approach makes a ton of sense: use the tour wrap in ZGTP for pow laps and some tongue liner for long slogs/spring vertfests. To get TLT6Ps to ski close to how a ZGTP skis with a tour wrap means, for me, an intuition plug wrap, booster strap and tongue for the down. By the time you do all that, the TLT6P weighs almost the same and only walks a bit better. The only thing you can really do to a ZGTP to get it to "walk" better is a flexy tongue liner and lighten it a bit by killing the lower buckle and removing the power strap. By the time you do all that, IMO, it only skis a little better than the modded TLT6Ps.
Yeah, something like 65 or more ROM in a ZGTP would be boss, but I kind of doubt it would matter much to me with the same liner options. The tongue liner will still ski like a tongue liner (worse than wrap, but walk good) and a wrap is still a wrap (ski better walk worse even w/intuition cutout), but maybe that's just because I have chicken feet. Someone will inevitably figure out an overlap style boot with a ton of ROM, but liners are liners.
RADICALLY different. The X-Alp is very anatomical and low volume. It's fucking awesome for my foot in a way few are (TLT5/6 are too).Quote:
Originally Posted by dcpnz
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Originally Posted by dcpnz
Yes the X-Alp fits radically different than the MTN, way lower volume.
Are you sure that you see the Procline AR version? I keep an eye out for those popping up but they are rare. Every other version of the Procline and X-Alp don't have tongues and are mega soft. I sold the X-Alps I had because they were too soft for my 160lbs mellow skiing, but miss the fit.
Ahhh.....noQuote:
Originally Posted by Benneke10
Thanks for clarification and education - didn’t realize the bit about the extra tongue
Your foot is probably a lot like mine. Love the TLT5 and XTD 130. Roxa RX and Alien RS are as close as I've been able to get but there is room for improvement. I've tried everything but the Skorpius which I'm curious about.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcpnz
Anyone have an idea of the shell fit on the Roxa RX? I’m a comfort 27.5/performance 26.5 in the Vulcan. Currently skiing the Vulcan in a 26.5 with a toe punch and liners are just a tad short but ok. Low instep, ankle and arch, a little over a D width.
The price on those on theskimonster are pretty appealing right now for a sleeper boot.
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https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...body-asked-forQuote:
Originally Posted by dub_xion
I went in depth on this a few months ago. I could be convinced to sell the RX Tour (27.5).
If you sell those 27.5s I could be interested. I have the Hagan pure and think I should have gone 27 instead of 28. Gotta do a little more research to see if the smaller BSL would warrant a remount though and difference in lasts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benneke10
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Thanks for that write up! Will PM you with q’s
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Any links for the sales on the 1.0 or tours?Quote:
Originally Posted by Benneke10
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https://theskimonster.com/products/roxa-rx-tour-ultra/Quote:
Originally Posted by grinch
Also a couple on eBay
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Thank you! Not bad at allQuote:
Originally Posted by dub_xion
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Anyone with a Blister membership read this?
https://blisterreview.com/flash-revi...r-transalp-pro
Sounds like they were stoked on ‘em. Based on the info I’ve seen so far, it’s an intriguing option....
The new Transalp caught my attention too along with a G Zero but would be grateful for some other suggestions.
Am looking for a new light ski mountaineering boot for multiple day trips. Long uphill slogfests will surely dominate so a good walk mode is key. That said it should be decently skiable with a heavier backpack too. Have a small foot (sub 100) with a really low instep. Also full Vibram sole mandatory for long access hikes to the snow line during spring time. Used an old, heavy Nordica boot (1900+ grams) before, anything of today should be better than that but still wanna go as light as reasonably possible.
WWMD?
The Salomon S/Lab X-Alp or the almost identical Arcteryx Procline AR Carbon (look for the latest iteration with the added tongue) are what you need. Nothing else fits as well for a low volume, low instep foot, and the walk (with lateral articulation) mode is unbeatable. Skiing is good for a boot in this class. Inexplicably they’ve been discontinued, but remnants are still available, and the used market is strong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hicks
Thanks, still seems available in my size and will consider it. Only deterrent I can see is the incompatibility with any other than tech binders.Quote:
Originally Posted by kootenayskier
In all honesty the fitting problem always caught up with me but so far was always able to work around it by adding a suitable sole into the liner plus eventually some boot fitting.
I only saw the wild snow article, which seemed too positive for me to trust it. And it didn't seem like the author had skied in the boot much - maybe 4 days total.Quote:
Originally Posted by frorider
I skied a day in a prototype transalp pro thanks to some generous shop bros. Just a brief 2500’ tour. The fit is interesting, felt fairly roomy in the in step, and decently wide in the midfoot. I couldn’t punch the navicular since it was the shops demo, but I had significantly less problem than any other boot I’ve worn without a punch.
I typically wear a 26 shell a técnica Cochise, and they only had a 27 in the transalp. That being said, I was swimming a bit length wise, and to get sufficient heel hold, I had to crank the lower cable strap so tight that it made my feet pretty sore/tired, especially skiing somewhat unsmooth hardpack.
That being said, the flex felt quite solid for how light to boot was, but also felt that despite the lighter weight, I didn’t see a ton of benefit while touring because the ROM in the walk mode only felt okay. Maybe it would have walked better if I had just undone the cuff buckle all the way, rather than setting it at my desired tension and opening it. I left the power strap loose until I skied down. I still feel like the Hoji/Radical Pro walked better, and ended up buying that boot. Specifically, I felt like the rearward range of motion of the TS Pro wasn’t great, although one of the shop guys said he felt the opposite, and that it went rearward too far, and he wanted more forward ROM. So don’t take my word for it.
I should note that swapping the liner in this boot would change how it skis significantly as the lower shell does not overlap, but rather there is a gusset to keep water out. Instead, the tongue of the liner has a beefy amount of hard plastic so when you apply pressure to the front of the boot, the liner distributes a lot of that force. In this way, it’s sort of a hybrid between overlap and three piece ski boots.
Sweet thanks for the review ^^
This is my thought exactly. Lack of friction and ease of stride matter for most of the time you are out. Light boots are nice, but broken boots don't make you any faster.Quote:
Originally Posted by thejongiest
I think in the past, all the boots that walked well, were skimo race derived. Adding 150g won’t bother most people too terribly much, and if that can add some durability and ski performance, real world usefulness improves a lot.
Agreed. I have the ZGTP and even with some trimming of the black spine, I still regularly bottom out the forward ROM, even with buckles fully open and the stock liner.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcpnz
I know that when that packs out, and I put a MV Tour Pro in there, it will be even more noticeable.
I think it is a great boot, in how it balances downhill performance with light weight and decent skinning, but there is still a lot better uphill performance possible.
Also user friendliness is a bit lacking: buckles riveted on and no sliders and catches on buckles for walk mode. This was probably done to save weight (just like the super light liner).
So I for one, am interested in the “class of boots that walk a bit better than ZGTP, but ski better and last longer than 1kg class boots”. I think the existing title might be easier :D
unfortunately for me it seems the models coming out are tending towards the wider lasts. I have high volume feet, but that volume all in the instep(quite tall), super skinny ankles and calves and not very wide forefoot.
Very much agree. The only ask of the F1 LT imho was for an F1 that walks like the RS. The sub-1kg weight is relatively irrelevant to me (and I care about weight).Quote:
Originally Posted by Tjaardbreeuwer
Bump. How’s the 1300 g boot market with hudge ROM looking these days?
The Fischer Transalp, Dalbello Quantum Free, and La Sportiva Vanguard are some exciting new options for this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by frorider
Does anyone have time on the transalp? Love my Travers and would stick with Fischer if for a beefier boot as well if people are liking them
Pretty sure the lower shell is almost identicalQuote:
Originally Posted by NWFlow
As this thread shows I’m leaning toward the transalp pro since the Traverse fits my high instep / medium foot. And it’s in the 1300 g category. The Vanguard was 1500+ g in a 27.5 on wildsnow’s preview, so maybe it’s not in this category per se.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benneke10
Am I incorrect in recalling the Dalbello is lowish volume over the instep? That was the deal breaker for me with Zero G boots.
If the ZeroG is too low volume than the Dalbello certainly will be too, it’s lower I believe. The Fischer Travers has an unusually high volume vertically for ski boots imo.Quote:
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I’d like to try on the Fischer but haven’t seen them anywhere.
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Dalbello Quantum AF is open space at the instep, but narrow at the mid foot. My high instep feet are a tight squeeze to get into them but once they are in I’m very comfy. You might have some tight pressure points from the *not* BOA wire retention system if you try to crank it down too much. But I’d say because it’s all air above the instep you can’t really exert pressure on the instep in the same manner as an overlap boot, both in terms of static pressure from basic last fit or buckle adjustment, and also dynamic pressure from bellowing/pinching through each ski turn.Quote:
Originally Posted by frorider
I did some extensive carpet testing on the Fischer Transalp Pro compared to a couple of other lighter boots, so I'll add some notes here in case anyone else finds them useful. I'm trying to find a replacement for my 2017 Atomic Backlands, which have been my main touring boot for the past 3 seasons. For reference, I have wide feet and strong calves but low-volume heels/achilles. Verifyt scan below.
The Transalp Pros were 1210 grams out of the box in a size 24.5. One-finger shell fit; shell without liner was snug around the midfoot, with some pressure over the instep. I'd call the entire lower shell medium volume. The forefoot is less squared-off than I prefer, so my pinky toes were a bit squashed. The liners beefy and substantial. The gaiter attached to the shell makes it kind of a pain in the ass to insert/remove liners. ROM in walk mode is significantly better than the Hawx Prime XTD 130, with less friction overall and more degrees of flexion in both directions, especially rearward. In ski mode, the flex is softer than the Prime XTD (maybe 15-20 points, subjectively), but pretty progressive, with the top of the flex pattern being very soft. (This is at room temp, FWIW). The Prime XTD is significantly higher volume overall.
For me, the fit out of the box for the Transalp was decent, but the heel hold was only pretty good and the lower shell would have needed too much work for it to be worth it. I do think it could be a great boot if it fits your foot; the ROM is better than 4-buckle boots in the same category and the flex probably stiffens up when the plastic is cold.
I also tried the new Scarpa F1 LT. 926 grams in a size 24. I had high hopes based on all the glowing reviews but the fit made them a total nonstarter. I could barely get them on because of the tight lower shell and couldn't imagine trying to put them on after a night in a tent. Also couldn't lock down the heel well using the boa dial. They're not in the 1300 gram category anyway, so maybe no one reading this cares.
The Dynafit TLT8 Carbonio (24.5) ended up being the best fit out of the box by far. I'll need a couple of mm extra width and a bit more length over my big toes, but nothing major. The stock liner was pathetically flimsy and the fit was dramatically improved when I swapped in my MV Pro Tours. Very good ROM (a bit better than the old Backlands with tongues), nice and snug around the heel and achilles, and surprisingly stiff, though not very progressive - definitely stiffer than the Transalp Pro, at least at the top of the flex pattern. I'll need to remount my touring skis because of the stupid speed nose and short BSL, but otherwise am tentatively stoked on them. 1035g with the MV Pro Tours and custom footbeds.
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Lot of good beta, thanks for the post!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jongle
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The Quantum Free seem to be the only real contender. The Transalp I'd bet $ is better on the up, but not as good on the down. I'd discount the Vanguard for the up since it has that non removable tongue. Non removable shell tongues in my experience always significantly increase friction/ effort of stride. Who knows what it'll be like on the down. I was not a fan of the feel of the Spectres, the only progressive feel came from the lower bulging out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benneke10
ZGTP are just such an amazing boot. If I have the tongues in my first gen Backland Carbon's the ZGTP (lower buckles secure, upper buckles undone, power strap lose) is uphilling only a smidge worse that, and way better than the TLT6/7 ever did. It certainly stands heads and shoulders above any boot that uphills as good as it does or better.
Ok I have several days on my 28.5 Transalp Pros, so it’s quick review time.
I tried on Quantum Frees and the Transalps same day, and immediately preferred the Transalp. The Quantum had a friendly, comfortable fit but there was just something about it that seemed lower performance. The fwd flex was soft and not progressive. Meanwhile the Transalp has a progressive flex that really feeds back energy as you drive the tongue. Out of the box the heel pocket on the TP felt secure, and the overall fit of tge 28.5 was similar to the insanely good fit of my 28.5 F1s. I have feet with medium dimensions overall but a high instep.
On the carpet the tour mode ROM felt similar on the TP and Quantum, but at cold temps I think the 2 piece cuff on the quantum will tour better. The TP has such a stiff cuff that even completely unbuckled the effective ROM is noticeably inferior to the F1 at 25 F. But goddamn it skis well on the descent.
Gear mgrs at two of the best AT stores I frequent both had the TP as their personal boot after trying everything on the market. Both felt it skied better than anything in this weight class. I’m stoked so far
Negatives: getting them on requires pulling the cuff all the way back, and rolling down the fabric gaiter. Getting them off is hard if you have a high instep like me. The forefoot area buckle works fine, like other boots, but I prefer the fine tuning ability of Boa.
The cuff buckle has no return spring, and flops around if you’re skinning with it unbuckled …fortunately I figured out an easy fix (small section of bicycle inner tube, works great).
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Thanks for the write up, fro! Very useful. Curious if you’ve put them on a scale.
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Size 28.5 liner: 300 g
28.5 shell: 1140 g
About what I expected. The mfg 1280 g number is for a smaller boot and is probably optimistic.
Great review! I ordered a pair to replace the Atomic Hawx XTD 130 as my daily driver boot. I want something more in the weight class of the F1 and it was between Transalp Pro and ZGTP since they both fit felt fit with a carpet test. I went for the Transalp because of the more ROM and simpler buckles. After the Hawx, I’m down with 4 buckle touring boots. I also have the Backland Carbons for really long days. Those walk like trail runners.
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