I’ve really liked them bank fishing with friends
Used a rocky talkie for the first time on a tour
Got a rhythmic burst of static
I started to wonder if it was picking up the beacon
Is that possible?
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I’ve really liked them bank fishing with friends
Used a rocky talkie for the first time on a tour
Got a rhythmic burst of static
I started to wonder if it was picking up the beacon
Is that possible?
Got a bunch of Baofengs in our group, all work perfectly, all cost ~$30.Quote:
Originally Posted by nickel
Same here. I have a hard time understanding how the advent of the $25 Baofeng didn't fully eliminate the market share of the $100+ competition, most of which isn't even as good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peyto
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Which Baofengs are recommended? The one 10yo Motorolas I have need to be replaced.
Because most people don't want to spend a single second past purchase to set up their radios? Is it really that difficult to understand?Quote:
Originally Posted by climberevan
I bought two Baofeng's set them up with the intention of letting friends use them on tours since no one else had radio at the time. I used them for maybe 2 or 3 tours before one of my friends managed to reset the thing to Chinese and lost all the preset channels. Losing radio comms like that was a real bummer at the beginning of a long, convoluted tour.
Now everyone has BCAs and it takes about 30 seconds at the beginning of a tour to check comms and move on. Well worth the extra money spent IMO. A couple friends have their own Baofeng's and they seem to work well enough set to the regular BCA channels. But, I'd never want to hand off a baofeng to a rando when I can just give them a BCA and say, "stay on channel A."
I guess my experience has been pretty seamless with the Baofeng, but I guess if my friends were idiots I'd consider... different friends? Anyway, thanks for the explanation.
While I like that feature of the BCA radios, they have several flaws which vary from slightly annoying to making them downright unusable. The mic/body interface has a HORRIBLE design in that it is prone to breakage. Once the connection is busted, comms are unreliable and sometimes impossible. I keep a voile strap on the radio so the little plastic tab is supported and does not break off. BCA warranted the broken radios but design on the replacement/new radios is the same shitty setup.Quote:
Originally Posted by ASmileyFace
The power wheel can easily be inadvertently turned on in a backpack (or elsewhere) resulting in weak/dead batteries. Yes there is a beep indicating the radio has been on for a while but this is bogus.
The lock setting does not prevent the radio from changing ABC setting. This is an annoyance but not a huge problem, ie If everybody knows that you’re supposed to be on C420 for the day.
Overall I’m happy w the clarity of the radios and usefulness of having the separate mouthpiece for my backpack strap but reliability and durability is far below what I expect from BCA, a company who has made it their mission to deliver gear which we risk our lives with.
Completely agree. I'm not saying that BCA radios are the best thing ever. It's just hard to beat the reliability, ease of use out of the package, and that is why they sell like crazy despite a fairly high price point.Quote:
Originally Posted by jmedslc
I would love for BCA to redesign the mic/body interface. That plastic tab breaking is just as bad as a Baofeng resetting to Chinese. I had to warranty mine for the same issue, but that was my loner one which has been unattached and reattached inside a pack many times over the past two seasons.
When it comes down to it... no one has really nailed the cheap FRS backcountry radio yet. They all have their pros and cons. If you're willing to do a little work and learn the Baofeng will work very well. If you don't mind spending a little extra dough the Link 2.0 seems to be the easiest option... the Rocky Talky seems to fall somewhere closer to the BCAs, especially since the new hand mic is an extra $50 on top.
Also, while my friends might be idiots... I don't pick my ski touring partners based on how well they can set up/use a $25 radio from amazon.
I haven't had any reliability issues with the new Link 2 connection between body and mic. I agree that the old 1.0 design was pretty bad, but I haven't heard anyone breaking the 2.0 design.
Interesting. This is the design I’m referring to. Broke two of them and they replaced both. My buddy who has a pair had one fail. Now I either use voile strap or electrical tape.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lindahl
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My $20 Cobra radios from walmart have been working great for years. I haven't figured out a reason to get BCA's that break all the time or spend hours figuring out Baofangs or paying a bunch more for the Rocky Talkies that are pretty much the same thing.
I use the U5VR and bought some whip ( ie longer ) antennaes for use for more range. Have 6 that I use and loan out to groups. They're working fine. Program easily using Chirp.Quote:
Originally Posted by carlh
I've used Icom, Kenwood, Vertex/Yaesu, Wouxun and had comparable success /reliability vs the Baofengs.
Been happy with our rocky talkies. I don’t notice it on my pack strap (doesn’t flap around at all once you figure out best way to attach) and the battery life is far better than the Midlands I had before. Main advantage is the UI is better than the cheaper radios I’ve happened to use.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tap
From what I’ve read they go on sale for $80 occasionally.
Yeah, I haven't had issues with that design yet. Must be the way they're sitting in the packs? Mine is sorta sandwiched on each side, since I run a small pack and everything sort of fits just right.Quote:
Originally Posted by jmedslc
Had the BCA 1.0, 2.0, and now Rocky Talkies. The BCAs were great in concept, terrible in execution. The 1.0 had ergonomic issues with the mic that caused me to regularly inadvertently turn the channel dial, causing me to unknowingly lose contact with my group for unknown amounts of time. I wised up and eventually set channels A-D as the same to avoid this. They fixed it with the redesign of the mic on the 2.0 but both the 1.0 and the 2.0 broke at the connection from the mic to the main radio unit, simply from being in my pack. 0 stars. Now much happier with the Rocky Talkies. Better battery life, range, durability. Excited to get the new external mic as well.
Great discussion on backcountry radios on the San Juan Snowcast Podcast (Season 2, Episode 6). It talks about channels 8+ having much more limited range, which I never knew (although it is mentioned upthread), among other considerations.
Well, I think what you are missing here is licensing and cost. I am advising someone who was told to use Yaesu that the extra cost, the need to get a HAM license (time and money), and the increased clarity/signal-to-noise ratio will be less advantageous than the benefits of going this route over a BCA or RockyTalkie. Additionally, having your peers also make this commitment is a hard swallow, especially if you ride with several different groups like I do. Before you jump on the "you can use HAM radios on GMRS" response, we all know you can. Should you? Would you actually advise anyone to do this knowing the worst case scenario if they get sniped by someone on a radio foxhunt? I wouldn't but maybe my risk tolerance is a but lower than you. I would hate to get roped into any drama there.Quote:
Originally Posted by summit
I appreciate your incredible over reaction as it is what keeps TGR entertaining, but as someone that only rides Ibis, On3p, and DPS, I think one look at my quiver and gear room and you would appreciate that I am coming from a place of diminishing returns. You can happily spend more and grab a Wouxun GMRS radio to gain all the benefits of the aforementioned Yaesu and Kenwood radios, but keep your licensing clear. I haven't seen enough value add to advise anyone to spend $200 on a radio where a $50 radio outperforms the RockyTalkie and BCA for purposes of use within 5 miles with obstructions.
I think I have some clues. Maybe too many.
For your entertainment, I wanted to share a funny video of someone reviewing a Walmart mountain bike. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UmOzPopJNE
Makes sense to me. Did you find that you had better signal-to-noise on the Yaesu/Wouxun with superheterodyne vs Baofeng? I recognize that when trying to hit repeaters, this is where Baofeng tends to get muddy but in day-to-day use, did you notice? Generally, in CO, we don't often get much interference in the backcountry and the value has not shown itself in mixed groups where peers are using lower-powered radios.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeeLau
God, Windows Mobile 6 was CrapQuote:
Originally Posted by thejongiest
I did try Windows Phone and wish they had some Apps. It is still my favorite UI. Got a free phone through a connection at T-Mobile to play with as they were ending those products.
Recent review of Windows Phone in 2021
I love Seths Bike Hacks -- even if I don't MTB anymore.
FWIW, I still like my Rocky Talkies a few years after starting this thread. They go BC skiing, on backcounty canoe trips, car camping with friends, skiing inbounds with family. They do it all pretty well.
I've had several blister pack radios. They just aren't the same quality. Yeah maybe they have same specs re:wattage and frequencies and all that jazz. But that doesn't mean the product is the same from a user experience perspective. It's got better-quality audio than any blister I've had. It's got better battery retention in the cold. It's clip and leash system works well and is secure across a wide range of applications. It's less obtrusive than my patrol radio in a harness or a vest and I ski perfectly fine with that. And at the end of the day, 95% of folks I know who ski in the BC with a radio show up with a FRS-style radio: generally link / Rocky or blister pack. I don't want to be the person trying to train someone on a new radio at the TH or make them figure out how to carry some radio I give them (unless they have no radio...and then Rocky I hand them is about as idiot proof as possible.)
I don't have ownership experience with the BCA product. But they seem about as nice. Some people like the one piece design, some like the mic. Personally I like the one piece on my should strap and less cords to faff with.
I had a battery issue with one...potentially caused by draining it 0 and then leaving it uncharged for several weeks. They overnighted a replacement and sent me a discount code if i wanted to update to the newer gen.
That is exactly what YOU are telling people to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by alfajores
You were telling someone who already had high quality HAM HTs to get a Boefang in order to use GMRS. That's fucking dumb as shit.
The Boefangs UV radios that everyone has are, if they have any type acceptance from FCC, Part 90 radios (business). They are not GMRS/FRS (Part 95) radios. So it is technically illegal ($10K fine) to use Boefangs for GMRS/FRS whether or not you have a license that nobody cares about unless you seriously and repeatedly fuck up. No different, legally, for a Kenwood/Yaesu HAM HT vs a Boefang. You can read about the FCC crackdown triggered by the BOefang radios here.
I'm not telling anyone to get a HAM HT (Part 97) or a HAM license so they can talk on amateur bands. I'm telling (American) people to get a GMRS radio, a cheap one like a Midland/Cobra/Moto, or pricey one with features like a Rockytalky, and not worry about whether they have a good copy or a crappy copy of a Boefang that they have to figure out how to program or get an appropriate antenna for.
If you already have a fancy $300 HAM HT, nobody cares if you are appropriate on GMRS/FRS as you probably know what you are doing because you are already a licensed HAM if you own such a thing and you've probably got a SWR meter and the right antenna, and programmed the appropriate transmit power for the appropriate channels. Nobody should buy something like that specifically for GMRS/FRS.
FWIW I have a VX-7R, some Motorolas, Midlands, and Boefangs. The Boefang's have the worst reliability and are the hardest to use. I've used BCAs (don't like, they break and switch channels) and RockyTalkys (fantastic radios, they are just pricey).
Back to you sorting out your little box of clues...
I see where you are confused in my statement. The clue you are missing is that the UV-9G is not a HAM Baofeng radio. It is an FCC licensed GMRS radio with 5W and does not transmit on all the HAM frequencies. Hope that clears things up for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by summit
It does. I apologize.Quote:
Originally Posted by alfajores
In day to day use in the backcountry, in the mountains; I didn't see a noticeable difference whether using whips, stock or stubby antennas. Even in frontcountry (resort) use I haven't noticed a difference. Anecdotally I know that Baofengs have consistency/QA issues with some friends having radios that mysteriously cease working. Perhaps it's just luck on my side but I haven't had that experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by alfajores
Interesting. I may try some stubbys to see if I can improve packability of the radios in my application. Using that weird pocket in the middle of my airbag where the balloon is all around and put it next to my thermos of miso. The short whip sometimes has to bend to clear the zipper depending on whatever is going on. Stubby would be a non-problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeeLau
Are most of them using the UV-5 series? Honestly, the build quality on those that I have seen have been poor. I know some companies have them spec'd out a bit nicer, but I haven't used one. Rugged Radios on that platform seem nice, but you lose all the value in their price.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeeLau
The UV-9G is mil spec water resistant and really nice build quality. I ordered two and one came DOA. They sent another one and it is bulletproof. So far the two I am using are working flawlessly (2 out of 3 perfect?). I have even spilled miso all over one of them and it works as expected. One thing I am looking for is handmic with a light to indicate it is receiving. I ride with a couple deaf skiers sometimes and want to build out a visual cue for them to know we are trying to talk. Then they can turn on their implants as needed to save battery. If anyone has seen one using the waterproof connector, let me know. Otherwise, I am going to tear one down and try to build it with an LED array. Maybe an RGB disco handmic?
All good. I suspected you and I were on the same page to some extent.Quote:
Originally Posted by summit
Received mine recently. Mic works as expected.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ørion
Wondering if the port closure tab is intended to just cantilever out there, or if it can be pulled off in such a way as to reinstall later
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Yeah, that port cover seems to be a design overlook on their part. Thankfully it doesn't seem to get in the way that much when shoved into a backpack pocket.Quote:
Originally Posted by ::: :::
I sent a note to customer service to ask the same.
Searching around online, I did see someone say the blue rubbery cover is removable. So I’m guessing, if I can get that off without over stretching it, I might find that port cover can be removed. I don’t want to tear or stretch the cover tho cuz i like the durability for bumping around. Cover seems pretty tight…
followupQuote:
Originally Posted by ::: :::
RT CS says don't remove the tab - that might subvert the water resistance of the unit esp when not using the hand mic accessory
they said in their testing they had no issues in a backpack or clipped onto a person or backpack
if it does break, they'll warranty the unit
Thanks for looking into this. I was wondering the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by ::: :::
The blue cover is easy to remove.
I have 2 UV-5Rs that both seem to function properly, haven't had any reliability issues. Used em for paragliding and mobile ham geekery but...I would never hand this radio someone who wasn't familiar with typical 2m radio config bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by summit
I recently upgraded our skiing walkies and got the Moto T600 with speaker mics. I feel like a pimp waiting for my heli extraction at the 500 vertical midwestern resort.
Has anyone tried these?:
https://baofengradio.ca/products/pof...nnels-built-in
Forgive the jong question - but are the 22 BCA radios using the same frequencies such that I could communicate with friends using those or are these more a kin to the Walmart walkie talkies?
Thanks
Looking at the remote mic for the RT and I have to say...I just don't get it. I know people like the two piece config, but the hand mic appears to be 80% the size of the main unit.
Is it really that much less obtrusive than the main unit on your shoulder strap? Enough to justify extra cost, extra weight, extra fucking around / cords /etc?
Having skied with it a fair bit over the last two weeks:Quote:
Originally Posted by doebedoe
1. Slightly more weather resistant - IP56 vs IP67: I actually had to warranty a radio due to possible water intrusion damage. 5 star warranty experience btw.
2. Easier to activate with gloves on - not that the other was difficult, but this entirely stopped accidental non-presses.
3. Arguably less fucking around. Hand mic lives on my bag, I just plug/unplug the radio whenever needed, no messing with carabiniers and retention cables
4. Completely unobtrusive. Main unit did a good job of not flopping around but I never forgot it was there with the cable, carabiners, and the antenna sticking out. I also had a knack for getting tangled up whenever putting on my pack with the radio attached.
5. My clumsy ass will eventually smash whatever unit is on my shoulder into something hard. I like knowing that the radio is a "backup" unit in my bag if the shoulder unit gets destroyed.
6. Gets the active electronics as far as reasonably possible away from my beacon. Even the shoulder mic itself sits further away (higher) from my beacon too.
Bonus points: wife likes skiing inbounds without a pack and she appreciates being able to clip the radio to a waist loop, running the cable inside her jacket, and having the hand mic clamped to her jacket collar.
The mic is more compact, ‘fits better’ and convenient while the radio is protected and put away. The antenna seems like a hazard to me.
I’m on the learning curve with integrating radios into BC and other routines as it makes sense or adds utility. Getting others on board is like herding cats.
FWIW we had some little Motorolas and I was gifted a couple Talkabouts. The more robust water resistance, battery and 2W capability seemed like a better option to get the RT and would complement a buddy’s BCA. Now we have 5 of multiple flavors.
With my RT and a buddy on a Talkabout on what I thought was a 2W channel, the Talkabout was picking up chatter from a utility company while the RT was not. Why would this be happening?
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Also something relevant to snowsports: External speaker/mic lets you keep the battery somewhere somewhere warmer if cold is an issue.
Plus the added advantages of an external mic having better glove ergonomics (one big talk button) and often having room for a bigger/clearer sounding/louder speaker which could be nice in windy or loud environments.
Good summary -- thanks. Almost convincing me to buy one for my upcoming hut trip.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ørion
I don't think you'll regret it.Quote:
Originally Posted by doebedoe