Anyone know when these boots are expected to arrive in North America? I want to buy a pair ASAP (should have bought in the spring but I hesitated). I know they are available from Alpinstore but thats a last resort
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Anyone know when these boots are expected to arrive in North America? I want to buy a pair ASAP (should have bought in the spring but I hesitated). I know they are available from Alpinstore but thats a last resort
They have the softer flexing Solar (non-carbon) version in stock on STP in 27/27.5 if that's interesting to you? They're cheap:Quote:
Originally Posted by Benneke10
https://www.sierra.com/made-in-italy...r-men~p~33xgp/
I don't really mind the softer flex, and the Solar even weighs in ~60g lighter than the Skorp, but the Skorpius has some fit and durability improvements over the Solar that were discussed in the Wildsnow review that are important to me. I was just able to get ahold of La Spo CS and they said the boots are scheduled for early October arrival but might be delayed at the Houston port by a few weeks.
Word from Skimo.co is that LS is redoing the Skorpius with a beefier tongue for 22/23. Don’t know if there’s other changes.
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That's good news!
So I have skied the Vega plenty and love it, but I just got my Skorpius in the mail. Wont be able to ski em for a while, but these things seem killer.
They are actually stiffer than my Vegas. If I can get a little bit of a progressive feeling from them, I'll be totally sold.
Other thoughts:
The liners seem fine for a light boot - probably better than the liners Ive had in Evos and Syborgs
Not sure about the forward lean adjuster...woulda rather seen an actual rear cuff adjuster rather than a piece of plastic
Toe insert quick step slots (is this their name?) will be great with my Trab Titan Gara toes
Overall, excited to get on this boot. Will be skiing it on all manner of skis (Commander Tours, Hustle 11s, Supernovas, etc)
They were designed with Trab, you can step right into the toes without having to press the lever they work so well togetherQuote:
Originally Posted by thecazdog
Update after almost 2 full seasons:
I've probably have close to 100 days on the Skorpius the last 2 seasons and they continue to be my favorite touring boot ever for all the reasons that I've mentioned earlier. A couple weeks ago, I was out all day on a frigid, below 0F day. At some point on the skin out, the tongue snapped right at the top of the Flex Zone. It was not a big deal for the exit but would have been a drag if it happened on a descent. Probably not a huge deal since the top buckle would still provide support but obviously not ideal. This sounds exactly like what happened to NWFlow last year on another cold day. It's not really too surprising since they part of the tongue is flexing continuously when skinning and everything has its limits. Unfortunately, the tongue is not replaceable and is part of the lower shell. Probably a better hinge mechanism and replaceable tongue would be a better design but Sportiva, IME, seems to prioritize performance and weight over durability.
Now the good news: La Sportiva North America in Boulder was completely awesome handling this. Here's the timeline:
- Sat: Broken tongue
- Sun night: contacted La Sportiva NA via their website about the incident
- Mon: heard back from Sportiva, saying that they'd replace the boots and send them out as soon as they had a tracking number for my return. I shipped my boots that afternoon and sent LS the tracking number.
- Tues: my replacement shipped
- Thurs: The replacements were delivered. Since I still had my own liners/footbeds (Intuition Pro Tour LV), I was back in business immediately. Note that I'm only 1 state away so shipping times might be longer for other locations.
I think that's about as amazing a customer service experience as you can hope for. Note that LS does not normally ship out replacements until after they've accepted the return. In my case, they made an exception because I needed them by the weekend and, well, they werre just super cool about accommodating my situation. Even if they waited until my return arrived, it would have been less than a week for the entire return/replacement process. Huge props to LS for their kick-ass customer service.
Every so often, I try on a new boot that lives in the 1100-1300g space so see how it compares and I'm always amazed at how much ahead of the pack the Skorpius stil is, at least for my feet and priorities. YMMV. While I was waiting for the replacements, I did a couple short tours on my beloved, retired Dynafit Mercurys. Aside from weight/ROM, it's crazy how much better the Skorpius skis. More supportive, more progressive forward flex, and definitely stiffer laterally.
Anybody know precisely what is different with next year's Skorpius 2? I'm definitely in need of a boot in this category. Also, is the instep on the Skorp as low as that on the original Spectre? Had a pair of the first get Spectres and had to do a significant instep reshape to make them tolerable.
According to Skimo Co next years Skorpius is switching to a boa, the instep has been raised, and the cuff of the liner is beefed up a bit. I'm kind of surprised they're switching to a Boa. I haven't used this boot, but my impression was people like that buckle. The Skorpius is in the running for my new boot for next year (so are the new boots from Tecnica and Salomon and the Scarpa F1 XT).
Yep, that's that same set of boots I'm looking at for next year. Should be at least one good one in that lot.
Oddly I haven't read anything about the Scarpa F1 XT, not sure if there is anything different than the normal F1 besides the buckles?
I wonder if dalbello will tweak rhe quantims as well
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I thought there was something about possibly changing/ditching the tongue? I broke two of them so a plastic change a la the skorpius or something along those lines would be nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by wilcox510
With a replaced tongue, albeit over a MUCH longer timeframe than phattypowppw, I've skied these boot almost exclusively this year. No further issues - maybe i got the new tongue? I'm somehow still on the OEM liners as well, despite typically being pretty picky in that regard.
Overall, i still think this is a great all purpose tooring boot. I can feel a pretty significant difference compared to my older scarpa maestrale 2.0s when descending, but i never, ever end up taking the scarpas anymore. The skorpius walks great (not as good as the Fischer travers i bought while waiting for warranty), and skis well enough that it's just a go-to touring boot for me.
If the boa somehow manages to better lock the heel in the heel pocket then it's a win, otherwise I'm not sure why they mess with it.
I'm still at least talking about finding a stretchy solution the rigid upper Velcro power strap, but am still in the conceptual phase of this project. (Yes, i should just swap it for thick voile straps).
I do get cold in them however.
Glad to hear that your new tongue has held up. While not a true "stretchy" strap, I've found that if I set the position of the velcro strap/buckle *just* right, I get a nice, progressive flex without any slop (I removed the top/power strap). It may take a few adjustments but they're easy and, once you've found the magic spot, it's $$$ IMO. The thick Voile strap sounds like a fun thing to experiment with as a power strap replacement.
I'm impressed you've made the stock liners work - I couldn't. They are definitely cold, though (my feet froze the two days I skied them) but I've had no temp issues with the Intuitions.
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Originally Posted by NWFlow
Recently got some Skorpius and put a different liner in them (not a fan of the stock liner). However the cuff of the new liner is fairly bulky, so in tour mode the tongue of the shell ends up popping out of place and ends up on the outside of the shell of the upper portion of the cuff, making the quick, easy transition much less quick and easy. Seems like they should have made that portion longer, even if not a full wrap around the front of the shin like most boots. Has anyone had this problem and come up with any solution, like adding on some piece of plastic that would prevent the tongue from coming out of place or something else? First two pics and how it should be aligned, last is what ends up happening in tour mode.
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I experienced a similar issue on last year's set of boots. However instead of it being the upper cuff popping out it was the the part of the shell that covered the front of the ankle. Reached out to La Sportiva and was pretty much told that they've heard of the issue and diagnosed it as some people's legs don't fit the boot properly. Nothing to be done.Quote:
Originally Posted by wilcox510
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I also thought about trying to mod but as the issue was progressively getting worse with each tour I just cut my losses. You might be able to get away with extending the inner tongue with gorilla tape to prevent it from being able to pop over as easily.
Victim blaming = lame! Luckily my chicken legs work fine with the Skorpius shell + LV Pro Tour liner.
What size are your shells? If they're 27 and you're trying to unload them, let me know. It might not be bad to have a backup in case the tongue on my 1st gens breaks. Frustrating that they got the main things right with this boot but tripped some details that seem fairly obvious.
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Originally Posted by beowulf122
I also have the frustration with the lower popping out. I’m not sure if I want to mess with trying to rivet anything on there….
Next question: are cuff pivots mostly universal for a given outer diameter? I want to try the BnD Ultimate Cuff Pivots that they made for Vulcans, as my skorps are getting sloppy. However, I’m nervous about drilling out the existing pivots and sidelining the boots if UCP’s don’t work. Any boot gurus out there know if this would work?
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I tried the BnD on the mercury and it was a big failure. The BnD pivot washers move the cuff away from the lower shell. That allows the cuff to flex more. Way too much flex for me. BnD works on the vulcan because of the stiff carbon cuff. I fixed it by making a simple kit that keeps the cuff and lower shell together. T-nut, bushing, washer, screw from McMasterCarr.
Ah, thanks Cocximus. Maybe not a workable plan.
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When I was trying to fix my cuffs I was going to order the following nylon bearings.
https://www.mcmaster.com/6389K115/
https://www.mcmaster.com/6389K355/
The T-nut to hold it all together. It's OD is slightly larger than the smaller bearing, but it should fit with some sanding.
https://www.mcmaster.com/90973A116/
Anyone have some ideas for squeezing out a little more instep room? It's almost OK with the lower buckle half closed but eventually toes go numb. I'll try a bit thinner footbed but anything else?
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The inevitable happened; what’s been a good/serviceable replacement for the lowest outer plastic cable guide? My thought is the lower, shortest cable catch of the ZGTP, is it metal?
La sportiva sent me a pair when i asked; they also have them on the LaSpo website:
https://www.lasportivausa.com/loop-l...-vanguard.html
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Is this a significant feature? I’m on trab toes across the quiver and have pretty dialed transitions, but there are times when an easy step in would be less sketchy. Do you need to step evenly on both pins or can you hook one side and roll onto the other?Quote:
Originally Posted by Benneke10
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On flat ground you can step in but in the vast majority of situations I still depress the toe levers to step in, but the ramps make it slightly easier to get in that other boots
I replaced the stock liner with a Pro Tour LV, which helped with instep pressure. Still wanted more instep room, so I heated the tongue of the liner and clamped it between two boards to make it as thin as possible. This has almost solved the instep for me, but could use a little more. Already using a thin footbed. My other complaint with the Pro Tour is that the cuff is a lot thicker than the stock liner, so it increased the forward lean more than I'd like. I'm considering the liner that comes in the latest Maestrale, which is very similar to a Pro Tour LV, but with a much thinner cuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by fleaches
Ive had success with tour wraps for both my instep in vulcans and now hoji's. I also had probles with tongue tours where the tongues attached. Between the overlap and the velcro to attach them it was very uncomfortable. Ive been in wraps since in both my alpine and touring boots. Powerwraps add some volume in the cuff but the tour wraps seem fairly normal. Im curious about their new dual density tour wrap now. Theyve gone to town with tech on those by the looksQuote:
Originally Posted by natebob
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Check some of the thicknesses of the Palau liners on Skimo.co. Power LTs are 9mm, and seem to be consistent in the cuff (used to use on some TLT6 and they’re great, but I’ve got a very low instep); Tour Lite Evo Pro MV are 8mm with 10mm cuff. TLEP LV I think are like 7mm and thin sole. Don’t know how well they ski. Maybe worth giving them a call, boot fitters are very familiar with the liners and how they do in different shells.
Sorry, I’m off on those thicknesses. Tour Lite Evo MV is 7mm foot/10mm cuff, TLE LV is 5mm foot, unstated what the cuff is.
Ok cool. Sounds nifty but not a game changer. These boots have my attention. Size 27 is the same weight as a 28 F1XT (where I likely land for size). Expect minimal difference in stride, but an edge to the skorpuss for downhill. Need to get them both on my feet and also see how the forward lean / ramp angles feel. Waiting for the dynaridge is also tempting… tough lifeQuote:
Originally Posted by Benneke10
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I should try the tour wrap. So far I've been thinking the overlap on top of the instep wouldn't be any better than a tongue, but maybe the LV. Also not sure about the bulk of the wrap cuff. Are you using wraps in the Skorpius?Quote:
Originally Posted by grinch
Thanks, I'm not too familiar with the Palau options, will check them out.Quote:
Originally Posted by dub_xion
No i dont have scorpius'. I used them just in the vulcans and now hoji's. Maybe others can compare the difference, its been a while since i swore off tongues in favor of wraps. i think the tongue overlap thickness exceeds the wrap overlap volume.. the stock vulcan tongue liners were paper thin so no problems on the instep so i never gave a second thought to an intuition tour tongue mv. Day one i ended up cutting the tongue out near the top of the illiciluet glacier. Major pain. From on top of the toes right thru to the instepQuote:
Originally Posted by natebob
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^^ Bumping this question ^^Quote:
Originally Posted by fleaches
Are these shells able to be punched? My left foot is happy, but my instep on right foot is getting squeezed and my toes go cold quickly. Is there a method for getting a bit of space over instep area?
Skorpius shells punch fairly well. My bootfitter was able to heat up the instep and bend it out just a little. Don't really have anymore than that, but if you are in BC then Joel at Ski uphill Squamish is great.
Just a data point on these (1st gen). Had them out for some uphill fitness laps on Bachelor in late December in springlike mixed conditions on Katana VW (112 waist, full rocker, 1800g), 177cm and Vario.2. Hardpack, chunder, soft sections of windrift. Held their own pretty well, keeping a good edge with controlled turns, but started to find their limit when the speed and aggressiveness picked up. Things didn’t fall apart on them, figuratively speaking, just seeing where they began to lose their composure and a beefier boot would be in order; not as powerful as a Vulcan w/o tongue with those skis.
I have a pair of Skorpius with a lot of use, maybe 800k feet of skinning, and the cuff pivots on one of the boots are starting to not work as well. Is there any way to service them?