Do I need new liners?

As unappealing as it may sound, it appears that getting a new boot is in order. They shouldn't be too hard to sell if you only have a handful of days on them.

Consider a better place to buy them. No shell fit is a sure sign of unskilled salesperson.. That's assuming you didn't say 'no thanks, I'm good; out the door'. Never been to a Moosejaw but sounds like a non bootfitter environment.
Spring for the Intuitions, and soon, on the Mag buy thread. 30% off is as good as it gets.
Tell your fitter this plan and they can help you get dialed.
Unless you have fucked up feet, a properly fitted shell and Intuitions should be all you need. Tweaks for funky spots should be minimal.

Makes me want to start a thread called ' fucked up feet'. Pics would be gnarly. It's amazing what problems people deal with to make turns.

I'm lucky in that my feet are a bootfitters dream, mid width, not pointy, even toes and a normal shaped calf/shin.

Get yer feet in shape now.

Took the boots in to where I got them (moosejaw in Grand Rapids). To my surprise I was greeted by a legit boot fitter who was in town training their staff on fitting. I got the full treatment and was put in the exact same boot...just 2 SIZES smaller. That’s right a 26 instead of 28 that their moron staff got me in last year. The dude took tons of measurements of my foot and was pissed the fitter last year didn’t do the same (he is no longer there).

Fitter said to ski them for a cpl days and bring them back and he’ll tweak them if needed. My feet are relatively easy to fit however I have broken/sprained both ankles several times so they’re kind of large so he’s already planning on possibly having to punch a couple spots.

They ended up doing an even exchange for the correct size and even gave me the updated model.

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Originally Posted by gregL

You can also wear 3 rubbers simultaneously to fill up space around your dick, but performance takes a serious hit.

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Like throwing a hot dog down a hallway, amirite?? :D

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Originally Posted by skaredshtles

Like throwing a hot dog down a hallway, amirite?? :D

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Better than having to do circles

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Originally Posted by Luke Campbell

They ended up doing an even exchange for the correct size and even gave me the updated model.

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That is some good customer service there.

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Originally Posted by El Chupacabra

That is some good customer service there.

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Yeah they definitely stepped up and took care of me.

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Originally Posted by daught

Do you have intuitions? No? You need intuitions /end thread

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This still applies... [emoji14]

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2 shells down — Sounds like street shoe size number vs boot fit size, issue.

That's the absolute best case scenario. At this point you seem to be ahead on the monies, Lebowski.
Intuition less 30%. Git sum.

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Originally Posted by Djongo Unchained

That's the absolute best case scenario. At this point you seem to be ahead on the monies, Lebowski.
Intuition less 30%. Git sum.

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Intuitions necessary even with new boots/liners?

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Originally Posted by Luke Campbell

Intuitions necessary even with new boots/liners?

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I'd try the stock ones first IMHO. I don't know what the liners are that come with the boots you got, but they're not all terrible... with the exception of Dynafit's liners, which seem to be universally crap.

I don't know how big a schlep Grand Rapids is for you, but it sounds like your boot fitter didn't know what they were doing and they owe you new boots for free or at least at a heavy discount depending on what your feedback to the fitter was. Seriously.
And in my personal experience, a lot of companies are way too proud of their liners. Ultralon foam is amazing shit and the wrap style can really lock down your heel and as an added bonus make the boot a little easier to get on and off.

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Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn

I don't know how big a schlep Grand Rapids is for you, but it sounds like your boot fitter didn't know what they were doing and they owe you new boots for free or at least at a heavy discount depending on what your feedback to the fitter was. Seriously.
And in my personal experience, a lot of companies are way too proud of their liners. Ultralon foam is amazing shit and the wrap style can really lock down your foot and as an added bonus make the boot a little easier to get on and off.

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They did give me new boots for free and fired last years fitter and brought in a legit guy this year.

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Originally Posted by skaredshtles

Like throwing a hot dog down a hallway, amirite?? :D

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That is just fucking funny right there. Dad asked me what I was laughing at...chose not to explain that one.

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Intuitions necessary even with new boots/liners?

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Not necessarily.

Many higher end boots have excellent liners methinks. If they feel great to start then run with that.
Adding intuitions is generally a step up, but that's a subjective opinion. For me, The fit is about as good as I'm gonna get. I def prefer a wrap vs. tongue.
I don't care for a race fit. Discomfort lowers my performance level so snug, warm liners, and buckles not over cranked is my standard goal.

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Intuitions necessary even with new boots/liners?

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I can't use anything but a pwrwrap in a ski boot so i have accumulated 4 pair but YMMV

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They did give me new boots for free and fired last years fitter and brought in a legit guy this year.

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Wow, that's aggressive.
Hope it works out for you. For everyone, really.

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Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn

Wow, that's aggressive.
Hope it works out for you. For everyone, really.

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They didn’t fire him because of me, they had already fired him late last winter.

The fact that they didn't just educate him means it was for some other herpa derpness.

I talked to them today some more about it and they didn’t fire him for lack of knowledge, I guess it was for some other stuff. Either way I’m happy, just picked up my 2020 Cochise 120 and they are snug/tight but there is no slop and I’m sure they won’t be too big one broken in. Ski shops in Michigan are tough because there’s not much emphasis on boot fitting at all cuz most people just want comfort, so moosejaw being a legit high end ski shop has some things to overcome but you can’t knock the service or selection of what they offer. I’m happy with the outcome and will continue to shop there going forward.