My friends just bought the RAV4 hybrid. It was between that and the Prius hybrid, but they actually do need the higher clearance, so they picked the RAV4. They liked the Prius better.
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My friends just bought the RAV4 hybrid. It was between that and the Prius hybrid, but they actually do need the higher clearance, so they picked the RAV4. They liked the Prius better.
I did not say electric cars suck, in many ways; they are much better than gas powered cars but overall they are inferior.Quote:
Originally Posted by Long duc dong
since your panties are in a bunch here, i'll elaborate. electric cars work well for primarily being a close in commuter car that has recharging facilities at both the owner's home and work. for instance, I had a neighbor that had a tesla and he could only recharge it at work as our parking in our condo complex is dated enough that it does not have charging. so, that guy had to really plan ahead as he could not recharge at the place he was likely to be at the most, his home.
will there eventually be enough charging stations throught the usa that this is not an issue, yes; but for now it is and the limitation on load capacity is a big issue. maybe some do not mind waiting 30 to an hour to refuel, but most do not want to wait.
yes, until those issues are resolved; electric cars are inferior. electric cars have been able to be built for decades, if they were competitive with gas cars(AND WITHOUT SUBSIDIES); there would already be charging stations all over. Tesla would not be in business if the country wasn't helping to pay for the cars thru subsidies.
Land Rover is Indian owned and the New Verydisco is made in Slovakia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Timberridge
I think you'll be ok.
It's the plugin part that I was hoping would work. but 14-17 mile all electric range? that saves so little gas, half a gallon a day.
I am going to test a crosstrek plug in hybrid tomorrow anyway. hopefully the salesperson knows exactly how much tax credits I would get. It's not clear from the website.
FWIW my broinlaw has a model X and LOVES it. He does long road trips and does not mind stopping for like 30 minutes to charge/stretch/text. His point is that to get gas takes 5-10 minutes anway. It only really sucks when the superchargers are taken then you might have to wait an hour.
it's an awesome car but $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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Originally Posted by skaredshtles
Great. So now when you call LR tech support, you get a guy named Vikram, who calls himself Vincent, and when you tell him that the lights go off when you put the wipers on all he says is "I understand your problem, have you tried turning the car off, waiting 20 secs, and then turning it on again?"Quote:
Originally Posted by PNWbrit
Yep... pretty much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Timberridge
So quite an improvement.
Yeah but have you tried the new configurator on LR’s website? No matter what options you pick they all turn out the same. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by PNWbrit
https://millenniumtowingonline.com/i...cincinnati.jpg
So how many mile to the gallon does an Electric car get :fmicon:
When an EV can get 800 miles to a charge in cold weather me thinks I'll look into one then. For now a hybrid seems the only viable option in long distance driving.
Long distance in the cold with cheap operating costs? You've got options.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenny Satch
Try these, they basically run on kibble.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ennen%2C_6.jpg
Oh man. Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by SkiCougar
Tesla is 12th on the list way behind GM and Ford.
https://subsidytracker.goodjobsfirst...op-100-parents
It also doesn't need timing belt service, spark plug replacements, catalytic converter replacements, valve cover gasket and head gasket service, etc. etc. It's a much simpler machine with fewer moving parts to wear out and break. This matters significantly - especially if you care at all about cost and are therefore shopping the used market.Quote:
Originally Posted by dunfree
Having said all that, if I were shopping new, the math would probably work out in favor of the new Prius AWD. The gas mileage is really impressive and the service intervals on the gas motor and the brakes, while not as good as never, are a lot better than a conventional ICE car from 20 years ago.
Plus I'm sick of chaining this bitch up in the winter.
No way in hell would I have bought a (new) Leaf without the subsidies, which in CO were worth half the invoice price of the car, making it cheaper than a Corolla. Also no way in hell I would have bought one as my only car. Frankly I wouldn't have bought one at all because, well, I enjoy driving cars that are enjoyable to drive, but it will primarily be my wife's car. An electric Mazda3, Civic or Golf with an upgraded suspension would make a damn good commuter/grocery getter to go with a bigger car with AWD and ground clearance. Shouldn't be long before we have some better options.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkiCougar
I have a buddy with a plug in Fusion. He can charge at home and work and uses no gas on his commute. Says it saves him about $800 a year.
Hybrids were once subsidized with tax credits too.
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Originally Posted by jackstraw
clarifying again, subsidies on electric cars; as this is an electric car thread and tesla is an electric car only company.
okay pumpkin.
I get the feeling reading lots of these posts noone on the forum ever owned a cheap ICE car made after 2000 that wasn't a subaru. for most of the others service costs are pretty damn low - not zero - but low. other factors (parts availability, build quality) matter for service costs too. I can't ever remember replacing a catalytic converter on a car and I've owned cars to 300k+ miles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirshredalot
single biggest cost for a cheap car is tires.
You never miss an opportunity to show what a complete dipshit tool you are. Keep on Skougin'!Quote:
Originally Posted by SkiCougar
maybe so Dan, maybe so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dantheman
However, the facts remain Tesla makes it because the taxpayer keeps it afloat thru subsidies.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-...-sales-implode
"Denmark, or his own bank account and shareholders, but he was absolutely correct: in 2015 Tesla sold a total of 2,738 cars in Denmark. In 2016 the number dropped by 94% to just 176 units."
I'd say a 94% drop without subsidies is pretty serious.
Exactly what I have been going on about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Timberridge
The Lucas motto: "Get home before dark."
At the time, in 2016, Denmark was the only country in Europe where EV sales were down. That's because the government cut taxes on ICE cars by up to 10% in an attempt get people into newer safer cars but they also let the tax cuts for EVs expire.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkiCougar
In other words, they subsidized gas and diesel cars and de-subsidized electric cars making them cost more on top of the existing price differential. Since then the government reversed course and all cars are taxed the same. Now EV sales are back at 2015 levels.
Tesla sales still aren't great but that's because in Denmark EVs are taxed at 20% for cars priced below $60K and 40% for any amount over $60K.
Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.
Is it British electronics?Quote:
Originally Posted by plugboots
That new Land Rover is kinda cool.Quote:
Originally Posted by BmillsSkier
Firm believer in the thread-drift that I am I will admit that I've been looking forward to discussing the new Defender here and this thread is as good as any.Quote:
Originally Posted by PNWbrit
It's sharp. I like the back, the front is decent but will have to grow on me I think. The 90 is where it's at (minus the optional "floating" accent piece-cum-massive-blind-spot), and I LOVE that you can get basic, white steel wheels on the damned thing to match the white roof.
And thank God it's made in Slovenia. Because, as we all know, saying something is handmade in Britain is just another way of saying the doors are going to fall off.
- J. Clarkson
So much electronics for a vehicle like that. It’ll be interesting to hear how they hold up or what happens to vehicle operations when some of the less important electronics fail.
It´s an abnormality, a travesty.Quote:
Originally Posted by BmillsSkier
It needs to be put into sleep in its crib (after being massaged with a sharp rock) and thrown into Euphrates.
I agree, although I too had some irrational range anxiety too, buying an electric car. I was ready for some compromise and inconvenience though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Platinum Pete
One year later, 14k miles, and I've never once stopped to charge it. Only charge it at my house. Anytime I'm home (or I bike to work) my wife takes it instead of her SUV (our road trip car) so the SUV miles have been cut drastically. With 300 miles of range, I can drive it fast, charge every other or third night, I don't need the aero wheels on, I have a roof rack and box and it doesn't matter, and I want to get it lifted a hair, aerodynamics be damned (I scrape bottom a lot on it). So much for a compromise purchase, it's working out better than I thought. I think people in 2-car families just have to try it like you said.
Just give me a fucking manual knob for the wipers though, fuck that drives me nuts.
Man, you are probably a nice guy, but damn you can be so far off base sometimes. Subsidies are subsidies. Electric, gas, farming. Doesn't matter. So I guess you're statement about Tesla not being in business without subsidies was for what exactly? I can make one also. GM would not be in business selling gas cars if we did not bail them out and continue to give them subsidies annually. But hey, at least the CEO is making 21-22 mil a year. Winning!Quote:
Originally Posted by SkiCougar
OK momQuote:
Originally Posted by Jeaniecary
You might want to keep track of these costs better. On a $10,000.00 used ICE car, you're looking at an extra couple grand in maintenance costs over it's service life, no problem, in addition to gas. That's an extra 20 percent of the cap! Maybe that kind of money doesn't matter to you; most consumers just don't include it in their mental accounting very well. But if you cringe at wasting money on the car the way I do, it matters.Quote:
Originally Posted by dunfree
Seriously. ESPECIALLY if you keep your cars as long as many of us do when you really start getting hammered on the high mileage biggies like timing belt services, transmission/radiator/differential/etc fluid swaps, belts and hoses, motor mounts, so on and so forth. Another EV/hybrid bonus is that it's typically EXTREMELY rare to ever have to service brakes due to the regenerative braking properties. Especially if you set it to "high." My current cars have both been great in all reality, but as I'm approaching 200K on both, I'm starting to get nickle and dimed to death. The utter lack of regular maintenance needed on an EV is starting to look seriously attractive right now. And it's not just costs, but time in the shop. Every time you have to make a trip to the mechanic for all these little items is a serious time suck when you add it all up. Maintanence costs have been very high this year due to all the regular items needed at this mileage. Nothing out of the ordinary. Just regular maintenance, but geez it adds up. I've spent thousands this year on it all and I'm still not done due to lack of funds. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirshredalot
This is pretty spot on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirshredalot
A lot of pretty lame excuses throughout this thread....
We're trying to get an electric vehicle into our family quiver, I drive one 95% of the time for work... In the mean time we're over 30 mpg between a wagon and an SUV with third row.
So all of you dentites driving electric cars, are you getting free charges somewhere? Not sure how you can skip the cost of a charge in yearly operating expenses?
riser, who skipped the cost? is everyone calculating gas expenses in their ICE cars in this thread then? what are you trying to say and to who, without me going back though pages of comments?
On that note, one cost that is rarely mentioned: my first year of savings from gas is almost negated by the purchase of and installation of a car charger in my garage.
What car?Quote:
Originally Posted by muted
On the other side of the equation is not having to stop for gas. Probably not a big deal, but it saves some time & hassle.Quote:
Originally Posted by muted
You might not want to make such stupidly smug assumptions, but that's the point of this thread isn't it? I mean if we are talking about wasting money and time shouldn't' we cringe at all the time we've "wasted" spewing stupid shit on this website for free?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirshredalot
For data - I changed by front brake pads a couple months ago. It was $22.91 in parts total cost delivered to my door and an hour of my time. Econoboxes are really reliable and really cheap to operate now, and I'm speaking from my experience. But past experience does not predict future results; and you are if I am correct, using a spreadsheet of future predicted costs.
Isn't the average # that's used around $500 per year?Quote:
Originally Posted by riser3
There are areas where the utilities do not have the infrastructure in place yet for one to have a car charger that will function. I’m not sure how wide spreads, but this is the case in at least some areas of med/high income Oakland residential areas.Quote:
Originally Posted by muted