Appalachian Trail murder and attack, too close for comfort

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Originally Posted by Peruvian

Okay Cool Hand Luke.

Bear spray hits at 25' and makes a 4' plus cloud. While you are trying to process what the fuck is happening while an attacker is running towards you, good luck with the accuracy with your sidearm.

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You realize you haven't described anything that's hard to do, right?

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Originally Posted by Bromontane

It's illegal to pack heat in Shenandoah N.P., a few hundred miles north of the incident on the AT.

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First of all, nobody says "pack heat" anymore except maybe huggybear from Starsky and Hutch reruns. Second, they have their rules, I have mine.

Glad to hear your daughter missed this awful event.

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Originally Posted by I Skied Bandini Mountain

Second, they have their rules, I have mine.

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Failing to see what's tough here, but on the plus side, you're on a roll!

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Originally Posted by SB

With the spray you are trying to deflect or stop the attack. If you incapacitate their ability to see or function this will give one the advantage to subdue or elude the attacker.

Part of the down side of a spray is in close proximity one can get a dose of it as well.

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Thank you for being a constructive voice.

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Originally Posted by Bromontane

It's illegal to pack heat in Shenandoah N.P., a few hundred miles north of the incident on the AT.

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Wrong again my little maggot wife stalking friend.

https://www.nps.gov/shen/learn/manag...arm_policy.htm




I would just do what Spook would do, curl up in the fetal position and cry for my wife to come save me.


and get it right, cool hand luke was a petty thief not a gun toting shootem up shooter. now go take a lap.

I think if you got attacked in your tent while alseep your gun really wouldnt be too effective. But maybe you sleep with the barrel in your mouth.

Castles made of sand float into the sea eventually.

The DA's probably going to subpoena your daughter and everyone else who they know encountered this flake for the murder trial next year. Hope she is able to enjoy the rest of the journey in spite of that maniac. She's probably going to have a front row seat to see him convicted of murder.

And agree that folks in for the full 6 month hike aren't going to take on an extra 3 pounds for a gun they'll never need and is of zero use for any other scenarios. Our scouts brought extra stuff because they're preparing for Philmont out west. They will have bear spray there for sure. But probably not hatchets and definitely no guns. Again though, bears are the threat, not some random psycho when it comes to a group of 12 older teens and pretty fit adult males.

A blowgun with curare tipped darts is much lighter than a handgun and can double as an effective squirrel hunting tool. You can eat animals paralyzed by curare, as it is not absorbed in the digestive system.

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Originally Posted by thebirdhunter

Wrong again my little maggot wife stalking friend.

https://www.nps.gov/shen/learn/manag...arm_policy.htm

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Thanks, Obama!!!!

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Originally Posted by Timberridge

A blowgun with curare tipped darts is much lighter than a handgun and can double as an effective squirrel hunting tool. You can eat animals paralyzed by curare, as it is not absorbed in the digestive system.

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Thank you!

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Originally Posted by riser3

Thank you!

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It would be a very traditional weapon to use on the AT as the Cherokee used them extensively.

https://exarc.net/issue-2013-3/at/hu...guns-and-darts

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Originally Posted by Timberridge

It would be a very traditional weapon to use on the AT as the Cherokee used them extensively.

https://exarc.net/issue-2013-3/at/hu...guns-and-darts

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No curare or other poisons it says. Still, I learned something, I had no idea they used blowguns in North America.

In other news, Gunfags gonna Gunfag.

Interesting choice of words. Appears you don't much care for the pro-firearm or the LGBTQ+ community. Shame.

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They don't look like real gays.

So gays have to fit a stereotype?

Everyone's a stereotype Kyle. Me, you, iceman.

What happens to gays that have no arms?

Do they use their feet?

New meaning to the right to arm bears.

OP. know its not what you want to see - this one scared the shit outta me. I remember it vividly being in the newspaper can't believe its been 10+ years.. Crazy fuckin world and I remember thinking being a girl would suck in that you just can't do stuff anymore.

Having said that, I tip my hat to your daughter. the southern terminus of the AP is notouriusly difficult and a lotta people quit after a day or two. extermely hilly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder...redith_Emerson

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Originally Posted by SumJongGuy

an extra 3 pounds for a gun

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I don't know much about guns but have been following a couple threads on this, and there is a lot of representation in the mid 20 ounce and heavier pistol. For research on ultralight options, I took a quick look around and found a Taurus 380 for 10 ounces.....with a laser! That's an UL AF 2-legged stopper.

more than a few self-declared "lawful gun owners" advocating for disregarding the law(s) because they don't suit them. interesting.

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Originally Posted by KyleLanTheman

Interesting choice of words. Appears you don't much care for the pro-firearm or the LGBTQ+ community. Shame.

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Originally Posted by KyleLanTheman

So gays have to fit a stereotype?

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Lighten up Francis.

What a tragedy. Sorry OP that your daughter has to deal with this horrific event.

One of my top go to accoutrements when hiking, cycling, fishing and visiting National Parks... https://gunfightersinc.com/kenai-chest-holster/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXLHZ5Uee3o

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Originally Posted by Carl_Mega

more than a few self-declared "lawful gun owners" advocating for disregarding the law(s) because they don't suit them. interesting.

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Real gangsters ain't got time for laws son.

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Originally Posted by SB

Shotgun is a pretty good deterrent to a knife attack.

Ask any LEO.

Tasers do not always work on on drug fueled aggressors. Pepper spray, when delivered to the face, nearly always blinds or turns away a dosed attacker.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-HKHX7oIpo

^^^Good call, those shorts are definitely a capital offense..

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Originally Posted by SKIP INTRO

I don't know much about guns but have been following a couple threads on this, and there is a lot of representation in the mid 20 ounce and heavier pistol. For research on ultralight options, I took a quick look around and found a Taurus 380 for 10 ounces.....with a laser! That's an UL AF 2-legged stopper.

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A 380s pretty worthless against a bear or moose.

Redhawk Alaskan is the only choice.
https://ind5.ccio.co/V3/SD/97/7e6570...e90603cf07.jpg

OP Sorry your kid had to deal with this and glad nothing more happened to her. Too close for comfort indeed.

Also too bad this thread had to degenerate into a rah, rah for guns. Fuck guns.

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Originally Posted by garyfromterrace

Also too bad this thread had to degenerate into a rah, rah for guns. Fuck guns.

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+1.. OP and his daughter DGAF about armchair long trail hikers here recommending illegal arms carry.

Let's keep the talk about shooting bears and nut cases over in the gun thread
https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...67#post5671267

A woman alone on the AT being at risk is no different than the risk of being a woman alone period.* Don't discourage your daughters from doing the AT or anything short of backpacking in Afghanistan. My son's gf and her bff were traveling together in Ecuador. They did safety research, seems to be a very safe country, but they did mention that women in tour groups are more at risk than independent travelers. I don't know why, maybe criminals think people who seek the security of a tour are less likely to be alert and less able to defend themselves. (That didn't keep her father from worrying about her.)

For you gun self-defense nuts--if you're so afraid of going out in the world unarmed, especially in a place as benign as the AT you should probably just bar your windows, triple lock your doors and stay home. Also, if you're open carrying on the AT you will miss one of the best parts--the conversations with other hikers--because I guarantee you that no one will want to get near you and other hikers will certainly report you to LE if you're not in a legal place.

*And women are at far more risk from an intimate partner than from a stranger.

My wife isn't comfortable with the responsibility of carrying a fucking deadly weapon in the woods, nor does she want to go through the training to have the mindset and ability to use it and potentially KILL another human. So she carries bear spray.

Bear spray is a very debilitating tool. The people who I know who have accidentally been sprayed (One was just being dumb, the other had the canister left in a hot truck glove box and it discharged due to being over pressure.) They reported full debilitation with temporary lost vision, smell and hearing due to the intense pain and nervous system overload. It took them several hours to partially recover. I have the feeling Bear Spray would buy a person time to get the police.

I'm not arguing against carrying in the backcountry. I personally carry a handgun in the backcountry. But I'm against the mindset that the act of carrying a gun makes a person an instant demi-god super hero clint eastwood. The average person can't just pick it up and defend yourself. You need training. S-I-J's daughter does not need a Glock overnighted to her. While I would encourage her to at least THINK about a self defense plan while hiking solo on the AT, what defensive tools she carries come down to what she personally wants to be responsible with. I would encourage S-I-J to speak with his daughter and run through potential scenarios that she might encounter and discuss what she might do in those scenarios. (If he hasn't already.)

Reality is, the woods are pretty safe and bad stuff that happens is a major outlier, not a present danger unless you're in an area that has a history of crime (meth areas, border areas, cartel grows, etc.) That isn't really the AT. So that leaves you with planning for these sort of very random, very rare but also potentially very devastating events, which don't carry an easy answer or solution.

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Originally Posted by Carl_Mega

more than a few self-declared "lawful gun owners" advocating for disregarding the law(s) because they don't suit them. interesting.

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Yeah, well it was all kinds of illegal for that fuckface to go attacking people with a machete, too.

I guess I'll let other people argue about the legality of me carrying if I ever come into the need to use it.

You're never gonna hike the trail. But if they come for your Doritos you're ready.

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Originally Posted by Leavenworth Skier

My wife isn't comfortable with the responsibility of carrying a fucking deadly weapon in the woods, nor does she want to go through the training to have the mindset and ability to use it and potentially KILL another human. So she carries bear spray.

Bear spray is a very debilitating tool. The people who I know who have accidentally been sprayed (One was just being dumb, the other had the canister left in a hot truck glove box and it discharged due to being over pressure.) They reported full debilitation with temporary lost vision, smell and hearing due to the intense pain and nervous system overload. It took them several hours to partially recover. I have the feeling Bear Spray would buy a person time to get the police.

I'm not arguing against carrying in the backcountry. I personally carry a handgun in the backcountry. But I'm against the mindset that the act of carrying a gun makes a person an instant demi-god super hero clint eastwood. The average person can't just pick it up and defend yourself. You need training. S-I-J's daughter does not need a Glock overnighted to her. While I would encourage her to at least THINK about a self defense plan while hiking solo on the AT, what defensive tools she carries come down to what she personally wants to be responsible with. I would encourage S-I-J to speak with his daughter and run through potential scenarios that she might encounter and discuss what she might do in those scenarios. (If he hasn't already.)

Reality is, the woods are pretty safe and bad stuff that happens is a major outlier, not a present danger unless you're in an area that has a history of crime (meth areas, border areas, cartel grows, etc.) That isn't really the AT. So that leaves you with planning for these sort of very random, very rare but also potentially very devastating events, which don't carry an easy answer or solution.

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well said

Unfortunately there are people that need to be killed in this world. Machete guy is one of them.

Its naive to think that guns are not a necessary evil in our society. Cops need guns. OPs daughter definitely needed a gun. As did the guy who was chopped up in front of his wife.

So go take your altruistic bullshit and pat yourself on the back. No one is coming to save you.

Im not sure any of you can imagine the horror that took place. But yeah... Guns suck. Lol.