^^ Have you tried bontex shims for instep volume?
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^^ Have you tried bontex shims for instep volume?
I have really low vol feet, and hate high insteps boots. For the backland carbon, I agree with above that stock liner is too soft. To make it fit I was adding multiple layers of foam on top, plus two shims on the bottom. I replaced the stock liner with a maestrale intuition liner and now get a good fit and better ski performance without a lot of extra padding. On the skorpius I tested last year, I used an alien RS liner with a thick insole + lots of foam padding to deal with instep volume issues. Shell wise, I think skorpius and BL carbon are great.
Nice design.Quote:
Originally Posted by gregL
^ that looks neat. I wonder about not just using the very proven BOA, but I'd try that out.
True. But then Sidi uses their own version of a wire tightener thing, (non-BOA brand). They say it's because BOA doesn't work in sandy environments. Whatever, BOA works for me. But maybe again, this is one of those not-in-the-first -year things. New F1 LT looks very good.Quote:
Originally Posted by mall walker
This boot looks pretty innovative and interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by gregL
Awaiting comments on ski performance but in meantime how about fit?
Also is the cuff as low as it appears or are pics and video deceptive?
Subscribing. Nothing to add other than I want in on this segment. Is the consensus still that the alien RS is the best skiing boot in this class provided it fits? Looks like potential for that to change next year when I would be in the market anyways.
I'm interested in opinions here as well. I thought the overall consensus was that the TLT 6 was the best, but that fiddling with the tongue got to be a pain. Anyway, it ain't around anymore, so maybe Alien RS it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by nickel
Claimed last is 99mm, and it seems pretty accurate, but I sized up from my normal 26.5 alpine boot fit to a 27.5 (I also sized up to 27.5 in the TLT5, first gen TLT6 and Arc'teryx Procline FWIW). I was able to make it quite a bit wider in several places, but you want a bootfitter who's experienced in punching thin PA plastics to do the work, not the "new" guy. There's no tongue, so instep height is what you make it by turning the dial. Heel is fairly wide. LIner is very plush compared to other sub-kilo boots, and quite comfy. Cuff seems a bit taller than my previous light boot (Backland Carbon), but not enough difference to matter much.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcpnz
The Salomon S/Lab X-Alp boot with a medium volume Intuition Pro-tour liner could be what you’re looking for. I have a low instep, and am very sensitive to just the right amount of pressure across the top of my foot, and can dial these in to perfection.Quote:
Originally Posted by trogdortheburninator
I was shopping around this winter a bit. My foot is very average overall but has a high instep.
Zero G PT— almost impossible to get on my foot, even when I went up to a 29.5 which had 3 fingers of space in shell fit. Just totally unworkable, which bummed me out
Travers C— what an awesome boot. Had that great overall fit of the F1 — narrowish but not too narrow heel pocket, and the vertical space in forefoot was perfect. Not enough beef to drive my ZG 108s but if I see a pair on sale I may buy them to complement my F1 that I ended up purchasing.
Backland Carbon — ok fit, on the narrow side, could use more instep room. Would’ve taken some boot surgery to work.
La Sportiva Solar — great fit, and that front cable assembly cleverly attaches far back at ankle to hold down your foot well during skinning. Side by side testing with the F1 though the F1 fwd flex felt more progressive (ie got noticeably firmer as you drove fwd).
Ended up getting a pair of F1 80s on sale for $400. When in doubt, buy the red ones.
PS sorry to mix in 1.3 kg boots in here but since some of you did already I figured why not.
Good stuff all.
As I understand it, the Skorpius is basically a stiffer Solar, using carbon-infused grilamid vs regular grilamid.
Really too bad the Travers cc was recalled as it really does seem like the best option for me.
Yeah, the Backland with an Intuition Pro Tour low volume skis so much better and doesn't weigh that much more.Quote:
Originally Posted by trogdortheburninator
I dipped my toe into this category for the first time this year and it’s definitely taken some adjusting to but overall I’m glad I did. I went with X-Alps and am very happy with the ski performance on my ZeroG 85s but less so on my V6s (older non-hyper version). I use them in powder ok but in firm or inconsistent snow I just want more boot. My touring boots are now MTN Explores (26.5) and the X-Alps (27.5). The fit is similar and the only work that I had done to either shell was slightly widening the clog opening on the left side of the right boot because it was digging into a spot right above my ankle on my right leg while touring. Between the shell work and keeping the lower buckle looser I can now tour comfortably. I don’t think this is a common issue but I have chronic issues with that ankle and I think it’s somewhat permanently swollen.
I tried on a 2018 atomic backland carbon (28.5) yesterday.. the boot fit okay, and flex was stiff enough, but the shin support felt like a thin metal band... leaning in, the pressure was focused on a 1cm tall area digging into my shin.
Is this how the boot feels for others? Is this typical for 1000g uphill centric boots?
Is the Scarpa F1 / Dalbello Quantum any better?
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I have a mid-high instep, 27.5 length, but often 28.5s fit my instep better. 6'2" 200lbs and athletic 45y/o, new to touring. Alpine Boot is a Dalbello Pantera 120 27.5. Mostly I've been looking at ~1500g boots...
ZGPT 28.5. cuff felt 1000x better than Backland and the walk seemed good. I like the buckle mechanics. Though unfortunately it bit my instep and my heel swam, footboard tightened up the heel made the instep more painful. didn't have 27.5, would be my length, but i expect instep would be worse.
HAWX XTD 130 27.5, i couldn't get my foot in the shell even without a liner. Looking for 120-28.5, though i'm not hopeful it'll work.
Dalbello Lupo Air 27.5 had equally good walk freedom to Backland, with much better shin support - though leaning in the shin pressure still had a pressure point. I also had trouble getting the ankle strap clamped down snugly because of the way their ratchet buckles work. It needs a longer lever or a snowboard style tightening ratchet.
Maestrale XT 28.5 was a comfy fit, less walk friction than ZGPT, though 28.5 was a bit long, and I find it kind of fugly and clunky. Trying to find a 28/27.5 XT/RS, since these are common go-to boots.
Hoji Pro Tour 27.5 was too cramped in the toe and instep. 28.5 fit pretty well. 28 would probably be perfect, but hard to find in the US. This and the XT have been the best fitting boots. Though if I'm not a fan of the speed nose. Trying to find a Hoji Free in my size.
... I'm getting so frustrated trying to find these boots in stores (mid season), that I've considered just online ordering a Hoji Free or Maestrale RS in 28, because I'm pretty sure either those boots would work pretty well. But I hate to buy something without ever putting it on my feet.
If I'm paying $700 for a pair of boots, I'd rather not have to use band aid fixes like the shims (I have a whole assortment of them in my workshop). As it turns out, Scarpas just get along with my feet better than any other brand.Quote:
Originally Posted by auvgeek
I’m looking for a dedicated touring boot. Hopefully more or less pretty lightweight. I do prioritize performance as I intend to ski hard in these. I currently run a 2018 soloman Xmax in bounds and these fit good. Size 28. They were not heat molded, i run the stock fitment and have never been punched. If anything they could be a slightly tighter fit volume wise but mainly in the forefoot. I have pretty skinny ankles and lower leg area (but normalish calves). Any recommendations on boots that may fit similar to my x max and perform well on both the up and down? I have done my research but am looking to hear responses based on my current boot. Thanks a ton.
Edit: has anyone ran Cody townsends “le send” sock? I am currently getting some beginning stages of blisters forming with my current backcountry boots when going on longer tours (Lange xt, fitment on me is is horrible). Was considering using the sock as a temp fix to help alleviate blisters forming
At least for me, the Dissent Ski Pro Tour Thin Nano and whatever else is in the crazy long name is much better than the Le Send. It solved all my blister issues. The Le Send sock isn’t bad but does still give me some blisters and is also too thick for my liking.Quote:
Originally Posted by morphintoskittle
I haven’t tried Cody’s socks, but those Dissents are great. I have 3 pair, wife has 2, and won’t switch unless I get a free pair of something else to demo. We like them specifically because they fit so well that any friction occurs between the sock and the boot, so our (minor) blister problems went away.
Bought some dissent pro tour socks! Thanks for the input guys. Still looking for recommendations on tour oriented low volume boots. Thanks
Well since this is the 1kg boot thread and the Scarpa Alien RS is low volume and about 1 kg, that would be my recommendation.Quote:
Originally Posted by morphintoskittle
I just bought a pair of scarpa F1's - they are maybe a half size too big at 27.5 but the right dimension for my high arch/top of foot. Makes for roomy toes.
Will probably need some specific fitting done but for now gotta get out on the slopes with em.
Once you go alien, it’s hard to go anywhere else. Provided you stay in the front of the boot, even at 6’ and 210lbs I can ski them pretty damn hard in consistent conditions. The one caveat is that they do wear out. The liners will get shredded and the gaiter will wear through eventually where it’s bonded to the clog. That being said, I’m on my third pair and can’t imagine wanting anything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by auvgeek
The out of the box fit is super tight for my somewhat low volume foot, but a heat mold and a couple days of skiing have them feeling like running shoes. Once they’re broken in, I can put them on at the house, drive to the trailhead in them, ski all day and drive back in perfect comfort.
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How are bontex shims a bandaid fix - any more than molding liners or having custom footbeds made?Quote:
Originally Posted by MyNameIsAugustWest
Having said that, I wouldn't expect to fix my ankle/heel volume issue in the previous generation Maestrales with shims.
... Thom
I was going to say some version of this. I’ve never not heavily modified any boot I’ve had, and we’re talking a dozen boots.Quote:
Originally Posted by galibier_numero_un
Jessie approves.Quote:
Originally Posted by morphintoskittle
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I think MNIAW is saying that you should pick the shell that best fits your foot. IMHO, any fix that involves taking up more volume is a bandaid fix compared to having a shell that fits correctly. This isn't quite the same as fixes that involve making volume. If you can find a shell that fits better (Scarpa fits him), then why bother trying to take up volume?Quote:
Originally Posted by galibier_numero_un
Now, one thing that's nice about the bontex shims, compared to other things that take up volume like padding the heel or going to a thicker liner is that bontex shims don't compress over time.
agree word for word, even the 3rd pair part.Quote:
Originally Posted by abp
If you use them a lot, expect to wear them out.
Very interested to see if the new F1 LT is a little more durable, especially the gaiter changes.
This is obviously a slippery slope. Since boots shells span a full size, it could be argued that the manufacturer taking up space for the smaller half size is employing a bandaid fix. Maybe they mis-sized that smaller half size with either the footbed or a liner that wasn't high enough volume. Would adding a shim in this instance be a bandaid?Quote:
Originally Posted by auvgeek
Is going to a slightly higher volume liner a bandaid fix? Well, I'd prefer a closer shell fit, so for me, I'd say yes, and yup, bontex won't compress over time the way a thicker liner would, so there's that.
At the end of the day, that shell with the added bontex shim just might be the best match for your foot ... or not, and that was my main point.
... Thom
I don't think manufacturers make half sizes any different than their full sizes these days. Liners, footbeds, etc, are all the same nowadays, I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by galibier_numero_un
And it's a good one. But if you can find a better fit without a bontex shim, then more power to ya.Quote:
At the end of the day, that shell with the added bontex shim just might be the best match for your foot ... or not, and that was my main point.
I know this isn’t a sock thread, but I’ll put in one more vote for Dissent Pro Fit Thin Nano Tour socks. Significant improvement for me over the SmartWool and Darn Tough options I’ve tried in the past for touring.
For those with very skinny heels/ankles/calves, what is the 1kg boot hierarchy for shell volume in the heel/ankle?
Fischer Travers CS vs Alien RS vs new Backland Carbon vs TLT 8 vs F1?
I know it's not 1kg, it's 1.3kg but has anyone skied the Procline AR Carbon?
Of course, who's to say that on the design board, they wrestled over the thickness of the boot board, and ultimately shaved it down by the thickness of a Bontex shim ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by auvgeek
On another note, I'm waiting on @mall walker's extended use comparo of his ZGTPs after living with Traverse Carbons for a while. His initial comments about the Zero Gs were provocative.
With the current state of affairs (and my budget), this is a next year issue.
I'm seeing (for me) a key benefit of this lighter boot class' range of motion is their EASE of that range - being able to articulate your ankle when having to 3rd class some dicey rock (and not so much when latched into your skis). I reserve the right to be wrong ;-)
... Thom
I thought it toured great but was never able to mesh with it on the downhill. Combination of too much ramp and the shell deflecting heavily when loaded; I fixed the ramp by adding 4mm of cork under the ball of the foot but they still didn't ski well for me. When Salomon took over the design and brought out the S/Lab X-Alp, they added stiffening ribs to the shell to address this, but I haven't skied it. Main attraction is the dirt cheap price on evo.com - if you want to use it as an ice climbing boot, it would be a killer deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by nyskirat
Saw the COVID-19 tsunami approaching two weeks ago and thought the resorts might close. Freaked out and ordered some 2018 Fischer Travers in a 27.5 (one size up from alpine boots) on sale.
Uphill: amazing. Downhill: Lots of heel lift with the stock liners and pretty soft forward flex.
Put my Intuition Tour Wrap 27s and green superfeet in them. The ROM uphill is a little worse (both total degrees of articulation and resistance through the initial ROM) but the downhill heel hold and forward flex are much better. Like, a lot a lot. At least for my narrow heels. Added about 80gm per boot over stock setup, to about 1130gm per boot.
Pretty psyched on these. Driving Line Vision 98s in a 179 cm with Xenics brakeless so far. We are expecting 20-30” in upper Little Cottonwood by the weekend. So I’m planning on trying them out with my 184 cm Atomic BC 120s this Friday/Saturday too.
Got out touring at PC in the AM and Alta sidecountry in the PM today. I moved my Xenics brakeless to my 184cm BC 120s, ski/binding weight of approx 2130gm per foot. Paired with the Travers in a 27.5 with green Superfeet and 27 Tour Wraps.
This setup was so awesome for chasing pow today. Still have to be mindful with the Travers not to get too far forward in the boot. Especially when going through funky snow or old ski tracks/skin tracks.
But damn: conditions were prime time especially in LCC today. And this boot/binding/ski combo did not disappoint.
DG,
What's your height/weight? Considering the Travers for the wife but she doesn't have the opportunity to test any of the really light boots.
5’ 9” and 145lbs. I’m not a big guy by any means.
Gave the Travers their biggest test so far today. Dawn patrolled the south face of Mt. Superior in LCC.
Spooky quiet out there, just me and my touring buddy. 6ft apart at all times, of course ;)
Again, for my size/weight/foot shape, the Travers + Tour Wrap + green Superfeet was money.
Multiple sections of downhill skinning on the approach. It’s pretty easy to lock the Travers into ski mode and leave skins on for those sections.
They scramble/boot uphill like a full vibram soled AT boot should.
And they did not disappoint on the descent either. Totally capable of driving my 184 cm BC 120s over the weird windboard at the top, and more than enough boot for the soft settled pow on the lower 3/4s of the run.
TLDR: I’m pretty psyched on these boots, for my skiing style, weight, and touring ski quiver.
Okay, I promise I will stop flooding this thread with my opinions now. My apologizes, not a lot else to do right now.
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