Like finger nails down a blackboard.. I hate that word.Quote:
Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles
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Like finger nails down a blackboard.. I hate that word.Quote:
Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles
Just make it non-negotiable. Be that guy. If you get flack, find new people to tour with. My advise...the first person goes a 100'ish up the skin track and turns his beacon to "search". The rest of the group proceeds by one at a time. Last guy checks first guy. Done.Quote:
Originally Posted by TahoeJ
If you don't have a ski uniform a chest harness is an easier memory device. It's also slightly more protected, or at least if it takes a heavy hit, so do you. I also think skiing down a debris field searching an avalanche is easier from my chest harness than it would be from my thigh.
I like that method. Not an issue with peeps I ski with, just habits.Quote:
Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles
we do that every mid-winter tourQuote:
Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles
Thigh?Quote:
Originally Posted by dunfree
Front, waist, crotch pocket.. not a cargo or hip pocket.
I've not noticed any problem searching using that.
Actually the opposite..
Anyway.. The pros and cons of either are so minimal in the bigger decision making picture that it's not worth worrying about..
searching a beacon field? or skiing down a shitty debris field? I'm stating my experience with the latter - where having something centered on the body near the face was nice - and other things and it's just an opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by PNWbrit
I agree with your last line, I mostly think these arguments signalling for people who think they are cool for aping what pros do.
Pro Tip: Put a Koozy over the beacon if you keep it in your pants pocket so it doesn't wear a hole through the pocket.
Pants pocket: more secure when you're skinning in just a shirt (as is typical), more comfortable, easier access, one less thing and less weight. Can't imagine going back to a harness.
Buried?Quote:
Originally Posted by reckless toboggan
Face harness or die!Quote:
Originally Posted by kootenayskier
About the time everyone wants to stop n strip a layer the first guy goes 100" up the trail and searches the rest of the group until everyone has gone past, insted of leaving it at that everyone in turn will stop 100" up the trail to search everyone else in the group as they leap frog past so everyone gets to search on every beacon in the groupQuote:
Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles
and then I know some guys who just ask who has the spare lighter ... man
I keep my beacon on its lanyard clipped in a pants pocket all the time and it gets turned on when I put the pants on
Man, 100" isn't very far, maybe they should shoot for 100'.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
Yes, I have seen it in one case...Quote:
Originally Posted by PNWbrit
In fact its the same key ... manQuote:
Originally Posted by shredgnar
Steep Gullies?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hacksaw
I don't remember any steep gully survivors who were pantsed...Quote:
Originally Posted by shredgnar
Yup, the pants were down around his ankles. He also was found in his socks, as his snowboard had been ripped off him. Found the snowboard later with one boot in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by shredgnar
Sounds like a case of the grubstake crapper.. a few PNW mags will get the joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hacksaw
Sounds like a brutal ride he took.
Good thing he wasn't wearing his beacon in his boots then. I guess in his socks would have been ok - or at least as good as his pants, which ended up in the same place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hacksaw
Maybe 6 years ago there were a couple of swede MD's (not stupid one assumes) up here who skied the 7000, they stop for lunch at the top where buddy takes off his harness and leaves the beacon up there on a rock. The 7000 face IS aviy terrain but nobody dies, they go back for it the next day, so I always think about that faux pas which is why I put the beacon on the lanyard in my pants pocket ... I am less likely to leave it somewhere post movement
“On at the car, off at the bar.”
I’ve seen the results of people vs avalanche, I’m sticking with my chest harness
Like foggy said, that's what was cool about the old F1; Jong ProofQuote:
Originally Posted by Meadow Skipper
I'm not really current but, why doesn't somebody go back to that concept?
No bagatall
I used to be anal battery conscious and turn it off during the day if I was idle or lapping a lift. Come to find out I was not hot traveling through a high risk zone more than once
I only know how to do the conga check - is there another way[emoji159]
Mine goes in a beacon-specific thigh pocket on my soft-shells. I'm aware of why people use chest harnesses but for me the comfort difference is huge. As mentioned up-thread, good habits and checks are still the most important.
If everyone’s beacon has a group check function, the group can form a line spaced 3 meters apart and the leader can ski down the line 1 meter away and check that they are sending, the someone can check the leader at the end of the line. That’s not a bad way to do it if everyone’s on board. There’s a description in this manual, and probably some where else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gepeto
https://static.mammut.com/file/Barry...art_3.0_EN.pdf
Me too. Chest or pocket (mostly chest, on sledders), dead is dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by snoqpass
As for position, finding and probing is still vastly more time efficient compared to the shovelling. In deep recoveries, beacon placement might give a slight edge, but I would defer to data to see if that matters much on more shallow burials.
It is interesting about how you ware your transceiver can affect its transmitted signal.
Most folks ware their transceiver in the harness that it comes with, on the side of their torso; on the left side in a lot of cases. Since a lot of transceivers have their transmitting antenna along the longest axis of the transceiver, that means a lot of transceivers have their antenna running parallel to ground/across your body, as your standing.
I forget the exact number, but most avalanche burial victims are buried either face up or face down. This means that when buried their transmitting antenna is positioned in a vertical orientation, because they have their transceiver on their side. Vertical transmitting orientations are the more difficult transceiver orientation to pinpoint on, especially if it is a deep burial.
Ortovox’s “Smart Transmitter Technology” (on the 3+ and S1+ models) means the transceiver changes to which antenna would be best to NOT have a vertical orientation signal. It’s a nice feature. I’m not sure if other manufactures have followed with the same idea.
I have always said that when practicing with your transceiver, do several vertical orientation searches. They can really confuse the searcher. There are several tricks to realizing your searching for a vertical transmitting transceiver.
RF Pants pocket (zipper closure) with about 2' added to the tether strap in case I have to crawl into a hole with a beacon held at arms length overhead. Tether attaches to a strap that runs through the pocket interior and inside the pants and loops through my pants belt for additional security (in case I get my pants torn off) .
Works for me
Put me in the thunder thighs camp. Putting a beacon in my pants is constricting.
If you find a harness uncomfortable try adjusting higher/tighter. I think a lot of people wear them low enough that they bounce around and get in the way when they bend over.
How many pants people also use a stretchy arcade belt?
Pretty easy for your beacon to end up at your ankles.
I chest harness. Just the way I was raised I guess.
I also ride it low, below the rib cage to avoid breaking a rib and also to not fight whatever is in my chest pocket.
I have. Avalanche occurred while skinning (so no layers on top of the beacon), and the survivor was buried chest deep and unharmed. Chest harness was shredded and the beacon was hanging by a thread around his ski boot. Wouldn't have happened had the beacon been in a pants pocket.Quote:
Originally Posted by reckless toboggan
End of the day- whatever works for you and don't forget to check.
Prince Albert! If the beacon gets torn off you may.... [insert conclusion here]
Skinning up without a jacket over the transceiver is the difficult thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by goldenboy
Of course. It was warm. Seems to me that beacons are outside all layers the majority of the time while ascending. It's one of many reasons I've converted to beacon in the pocket.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hacksaw
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I'm a harness guy. It kind sucks at first, but you get used to it.
You think your phone really messes with it if it's in airplane mode? Sorry, different thread?
Interested in this, too. I use my phone for photos in airplane mode when I tour. Rarely have cell coverage where I tour.Quote:
Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn
Any source of transient frequency is a source of potential interference:
"Your cell, particularly if it’s a smartphone, gives off a significant amount of competing noise when it’s on and the screen is illuminated. If you think that setting your phone to airplane mode is enough to cut noise, think again. Airplane mode does not significantly alter the amount of electronic noise the phone gives off. Hold a phone set to airplane mode too close to a searching beacon, and your numbers will be affected as much as if the phone were fully “on.”
https://backcountryaccess.com/electr...your-beacon-2/
So, phone in airplane mode is still a potential source of interference and not a good idea.
Thanks. So I shouldn’t keep the phone near Prince Albert!
Yep, the Arcade makes pantsing very possible with or without beacon in a pocket.Quote:
Originally Posted by Core Shot
I got a new pair of ski pants last season that allowed me to move the beacon from the chest harness to a dedicated beacon pocket on my right leg and don't think I'll ever go back. I feel safer knowing it's further from my phone and radio (which are usually in the chest pocket of my jacket and in my backpack), and it's infinitely more comfortable to have it out of the way of my backpack and radio and jacket zippers. The only thing I don't like about it is that I wear softshell pants on most days, and carry a pair of hardshells that I throw on top when I'm really getting wet. My hardshells don't have a good place to put the beacon, so the beacon ends up burried under the hardshells. I've tested how long it takes me to get the beacon out from under the hardshells and it's not a huge delay, but would be happier if it weren't under two zippers.