Stainless nails for cedar=$$$$$$$$$$Quote:
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Stainless nails for cedar=$$$$$$$$$$Quote:
Originally Posted by flowing alpy
Burton Lumber open till noon every Sat.Quote:
Originally Posted by muted
Fwiw, pretty much every rotten fence post I've dealt with is right around the dirt line and I'm in SLC as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by steepconcrete
Often it's caused by repeated weed whacking getting through the pressure treatment, and dirt/water exposure.
True. But the reality is any screwed connection is stronger than its nailed counterpart.Quote:
Originally Posted by pisteoff
Spiral and ring shank. Built decks with them too. Thicker gauges, and less brittle. And unless you're kicking them or live in a crazy high wind zone, the load on fence boards is zero (or close to).
I also spent a few years framing houses with nails... I wonder if they're still standing?
But really, I'm just commenting on / laughing at the advice offered by people who don't actually know what they're talking about. (not you)
If I was doing it as a business, it would be nails all the way. But I have seen spiral/ring shank nails back out on a fence that I know gets very little wind. Worked on it just 2 1/2 weeks ago. Fences go through a lot of expansion/contraction along w/ getting wet.Quote:
Originally Posted by pisteoff
I have a nail gun, and I debated it, but that little fence of mine will end up going through a lot and I need to be able to pull mine apart. My center post is set in a sleeve so I can pull it apart and be able to get large equipment into backyard or the 2 trucks I have back there out. We'll see how that works out.:)
As far as houses, of course you're not going to frame a whole house with screws, but they very much a place in framing too.
Have you priced out fencing yet? There's this thing called trade wars, and lumber prices have doubled in the past year.
Alternative value minded approach: house along my commute (less than .5 mile bike ride...) just did a new fence out of re-purposed pallets. Home Depot, Lowes, $$$. People literally give away pallets. Sand, stain and finish the boards yourself, enough $ saved to buy a new dentist chair.
My Grandpa (RIP) used to tell me about his first job, collecting pallets during the Depression when he was a boy. He'd pull all the nails, salvage all the wood, then re-sell all the pieces for more than he got the original pallets. Reduce, reuse, recycle before it was cool.
Yes, I've got the wood. The lumber was something like $1,000 and that should cover about 80 feet of fence. It's expensive, but everything is these days. I'm a rich TGR dentist. What do I care?
The fence is coming along and I think it looks good.
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How much time was spent looking for and breaking down pallets? How much methyl bromide was inhaled during the cutting/sanding of the pallet wood?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tips^Up
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Thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by tuco
That's me! My experience with fences and nails was about every one going through the thin cedar resulting in loose boards or ones that come off. With no wind or kicking. Just wet soft boards sitting around. I didn't know people use spiral and ring shank, no one here but you has even mentioned this to AD which seems like a n important point. But do they leave streaks on cedar boards? Does it matter when using thin/soft cedar? Decks are a different story, of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by pisteoff
Even if someone went the nail route, I wouldn't recommend nailing anything into the posts but with a screw. Wayyyyyyyy down the line when you try to do repairs screws are better. But fence companies probably don't care about future fixes.
We are talking about fences, specifically the one AD is building, so of course your nails in your house framing are still standing. Nobody here said never use nails in houses, give me a break.Quote:
Originally Posted by pisteoff
They rarely give away the pallets that are made to last and would make a good fence. They give away the crappy ones that have shitty wood and are sometimes broken. I haven't scavenged for pallets in awhile, but that's my experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by nickwm21
I will admit that I was posting from the bar last night...Quote:
Originally Posted by tuco
Yeah, totally agree with you. Right tools, techniques, and fasteners for the right job. Coincidentally, I'm actually building a small fence this weekend too (and have used screws, nails, simpson brackets, and a dado on the last post to support the top rail for an overhang).
I was just railing against the use screws or yer gonna die! theme developing in the thread, rather than considering wind loads, climate, ground stability, privacy, gate security, how permanent you want it to be, timeframe, budget, etc. and building accordingly.
I was several beers in, and just being snarky for the fun of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by muted
FWIW, here's my mostly fastener-free fence rebuild using recycled slats. Patterned 1x4's and 1x2's.
Slats are held in by pressure only and a few screws to stabilize the ones that establish plumb. All horizontals (all eased-edge 5/4x4 deck boards - already had them around) and fascias only are screwed in. Who needs nails, anyway?
You can buy them in stainless ($$), and various coatings for different applications. You can account for thin/soft by turning the air pressure down (to a point).Quote:
Originally Posted by muted
But really, buying better quality lumber is money well spent.
AD already said he was using screws, which is good. Just more time and money. Plus he's an engineer. He doesn't need any advice on how to build a structure.
Our only advertising was a small sign affixed to the fence, and word of mouth. It was just a kid job for me, but my boss did care about his business.Quote:
Originally Posted by muted
As for repairs, It's the wood that fails, not the fasteners.
That is awesome.Quote:
Originally Posted by oftpiste
And exactly what I was trying to get at: it's the design that matters.
I built this one a few weeks agoQuote:
Originally Posted by flowing alpy
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Looks great! Luckily I don't need to deal with much of a grade.Quote:
Originally Posted by PNWbrit
Required a certain amount of designing as we went along because of the grade.Quote:
Originally Posted by The AD
Wouldn't really work to do anything other leave the top of boards stepped. After a little trimming after that photo to get it more consistent I like the look.
I'm glad we decided to have the posts and rails on my side of fence and neighbors took the face side.
Old footings were connected to somewhere near the core of the earth which made it an easy project with no shovelling or concrete.
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Nice. Looks like a "fun" job.Quote:
Originally Posted by PNWbrit
Lol. Got lucky there. I would not want to be lugging 50lb bags up/down that hill.Quote:
Originally Posted by PNWbrit
Nice fences guys.
Love the ingenuity Oft. Has a cambered look that's interesting as you look down it.
This is how you're supposed to build a fence. Good on you dude for doing it proper!Quote:
Originally Posted by PNWbrit
Keep the dirt off the bottom of the fence boards.
Here's a fence I built a few years ago. Eastern white cedar left unfinished. Stainless steel screws except to hold the vertical slats in place. They have a cleat on each side and I just tacked in a stainless brad to hold them vertical. Screws wouldn't work on the 1x1 pieces without splitting. I was concerned about the large spacing not being private enough but it works great.
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^^^ beautiful.
Nice job flounder.
X2, nice workQuote:
Originally Posted by pisteoff
I don't have the patience to build that
Once built a 6’ fence with my father in our side yard when I was 16. Cedar posts and square topped pickets with pyramidal tops to finish the posts which extended a couple inches above the pickets. Looked really nice.
We pulled a permit and followed the code. Apparently there was some kind of waiting period we failed to understand. The city came back after we were finished and said the fence could not exceed 48”.
My dad was so furious when he got the letter from the city he said “come with me...”. We snapped a level chalk line at 48” and he walked the length of the fence with a circular saw and just cut everything off square. Project complete.
One of my favorite memories of my dad :-)
Sometimes the hardest part about building a fence is neither the fasteners or the wood, but the neighbors.
Once upon a time I had neighbors that were dumb as fenceposts. They weren't good neighbors.Quote:
Originally Posted by flowing alpy
Built this a few years ago. Since it's shared with the neighbours I went with the over-lap style. It's more work/materials but at least someone isn't stuck with a shitty side.
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See-through fences. For when you want to spy on your neighbor at a 45 degree angle.
Thanks. It actually is cambered.Quote:
Originally Posted by tuco
Neighbors piling their dog shit against the other side of your fence...Quote:
Originally Posted by pisteoff
maybe they're trying to tell you something?
RCR as you look down itQuote:
Originally Posted by oftpiste
Fence is done! We plan to add copper toppers to the posts, but finished other than that.
This is from my side
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Me and my neighbor
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His side
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Nice fence. You guys are ugly as shit though.
Thanks iceman. I build fences in jeans.Quote:
Originally Posted by iceman
Nice job, looks great
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Looks good. I had copper HomeDepot caps on my fence, they all looked discolored and shitty after the sun hit them. They weren't cheap either. Hopefully you are smarter than me. Not sure if all copper will do this or just the thin HD ones, anyone know? I'm curious myself.
I replaced them all with these, which are well designed with the snap-on feature of the top piece. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Sand and stain I ran orbital sander then roll and back brush. Looks like furniture.Quote:
Originally Posted by The AD
Anyone know anything about cable for fencing? Some of it's super expensive, I bought this cable sheathed in plastic at Home Depot. it used all be silver like in part of this pic, then the sun steamed up the inside of plastic and rusted it out, now it looks shitty.
Any cheap to moderately expensive ideas out there? What does it need to be made of so it holds up to moisture anyways?
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