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Originally Posted by Danno
Exactly, Aspen will be an add on to most passes.
It was frickin empty here today and the DH course was buffed to perfection. I got three runs before the next guy even showed.
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Originally Posted by Danno
Exactly, Aspen will be an add on to most passes.
It was frickin empty here today and the DH course was buffed to perfection. I got three runs before the next guy even showed.
Don't worry about Aspen. Hardly anyone will do a day trip to that place from Front Range and doubt many will book hotels.
If this has a simple equation like 10 days at each resort on that list, then you can bet that it will sell like crazy for cheap $. I view this pass like an option for people who want a second ski pass (in addition to a full unlimited pass to their fav local hill), or as a solo pass for those who are weekend warriors and can access multiple resorts nearby where they live (in effect they could get 10 days copper, 10 days steamboat, 10 days WP, etc.).
Or they they pull vail prices up quicker. Vail could charge more and drop the physiological restriction BS. I’ve never reached the 10 day restriction at vail or Beaver Creek. Hell, 95% of skiers don’t even ski half that many days (learnt that on TGR). Never used a single day at any of the resorts outside of Co.Quote:
Originally Posted by monkeywrenchMoose
The ikon Pass is intriguing though. As a Co front ranger I can use Eldora, WP and Copper for family days then do some road trips with friends to Ut, Wy and Mt. Adding Crested Butte and maybe Monarch would make it a done deal. What about Loveland, they are still out there on their own. If A Basin jumped ship on Vail and joined the Ikon, which seems to fit the mold better, Vail may just sink.
Then there’s the twist of Vail offering returning epic pass holder special pricing since there’s a damn good chance everyone who’s skied VR for the past 10 years is as intrigued about this as I am.
2018/2019 might be an interesting year.
Losing A basin wouldn’t make a dent in Vail.Quote:
Originally Posted by GPP33
I expect zero days at Aspen .
I could see them having a 4 or 7 day option, like the Classic pass, as an add on, but that's it.
We have to wait months for answers? This is bullshit! ;)
What if there is a $10 toll for LCC? that should balance things out.Quote:
Originally Posted by monkeywrenchMoose
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Snowbird was asked on the their Facebook page whether this pass replaced a normal season pass, they replied, no.
Yeah, I mean, get real if anyone thinks this is going to be some kind of EpicPass™ with unlimited skiing at all of the resorts. DigiDave™ ain't going to stop his One-Star™ Snowbird campaign and start to hype the IkonPass™.Quote:
Originally Posted by BobMc
I would support that for vehicle occupants less than 3 people. Sure. But if the toll is less than that, I don't know that it would make enough of a dent in traffic.Quote:
Originally Posted by marcg
Would be nice to offset some cost somewhere else. Don't know what though.
For me (and i’m Important)!A basin is the only thing that would make the epic pass compete with this. Fuck Keystone, Breck is cool, vail is only good on pow days when I want to wake up at 2am so I can drive 4 hours to the hill and 6 hours home (time adjusted for snowy roads and massive amounts of stupid drivers), most pow days I just do BC an hour from my door. I’m lucky to use 2 of my vail days per year so I basically get an epic pass for Breck and a basin. Take a basin away and fuck it. I’m sure a decent chunk of my 5,000,000 front range neighbors who ski probably feel about the same. We don’t account for enough to put em under but with legitimate competition on the table loosing a basin would no doubt bring the hurt. This is why Loveland is such an interesting prospect. Early and late season are A basin and Loveland I know that doesn’t matter for tourists but for Co residents it’s a significant play.Quote:
Originally Posted by grskier
It will be interesting to see what effect this has on crowds. The overall skier numbers just aren't there for every ski area to become more crowded - it's still a big investment for new skiers to get in the game, and I don't think the people that have been skiing the smaller ski areas, which is a small amount to begin with, are all going to jump ship. And places like Squaw can't get any more crowded than they have been in recent years, there's literally no more room for people to get into the ski area. Hopefully just spreads people around and makes it cheaper and easier to ski different places.
The pass isn't going to grow total skier days across the country. If it sucks some people away from SVAM by getting more people to ski out of state I'm all for it. Personally, a pass like that would only matter to me if it gave me 5 days at one location. I'm not going to travel for less than that and I have no interest in a resort to resort road trip.
The business sense in this is that people who ski locally aren't buying rooms from the resort. If Altabird people go to JH, JH people go to SV, and SV people go to LCC all the resorts make more money on rooms and food, and all the skiers are poorer (but still rich).
The more I think about this the more I think it might be a good thing for Colorado.
This pass has serious potential to take business away from the epic pass and send skiers that would otherwise ski Colorado to Utah and other places
Agreed, that five days at one area would certainly help ski area's bottom line (lodging dollars) and would certainly make road trips easier to boot. This two day per area thing with Mountain Collective isn't the best idea for a vacation ... unless you have a lot of time freedom, and even then, it's nice to hang at one spot for longer than two days.Quote:
Originally Posted by old goat
Unfortunately, I doubt it would have much positive effect on the weekend I-70 clusterfuck, but it might reduce crowding marginally at some areas. The Colorado resident buying this pass is likely to do most of his skiing locally, and head off for a trip or two during the Winter.Quote:
Originally Posted by WTF is dat
Of course, WTF do we know about how the pass will be structured? This topic has certainly prompted us to guess, so I guess the marketing team was effective. It reminds me of the old Rock Hudson/Doris Day film "Lover Come Back" where there was this product named VIP which was being promoted, but it had yet to be developed ;-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCqVN_IoDKE
... Thom
I think the half price additional days is a pretty good deal especially when the pass is $399.Quote:
Originally Posted by galibier_numero_un
We don't want your coloradBROs. Thats why I'm pissed. The epic pass is a good thing for Utah skiing because it takes people out of LCC and sends them up to Park City etc. LCC is already at capacity, both from a parking standpoint and a skiers-on hill stand point.Quote:
Originally Posted by WTF is dat
We have to deal with the Park City bros AND the CO bros now? Not to mention the PC jerry and the CO jerry.
You are fuckedQuote:
Originally Posted by monkeywrenchMoose
Didn’t you hear that LCC is the new I-70?
1-70 is the Ebola of the ski world.Quote:
Originally Posted by WTF is dat
I’m guessing $800-900 for this
Wonder if it means the demise of the RMSP and RMSP+ or just an upgrade from them.
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The website says the RMSP passes are not going to be sold next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kinnikinnick
the lack of important info on this pass is disappointing but not surprising
They just added a FAQ page but it's still lacking a lot of information.
https://www.ikonpass.com/en/faq/
So lame. I think they think they're creating buzz, but it's just an unfinished pile of crap somebody rolled out. Not a good sign for the future.
yeah, but that just means the product named RMSP isn't going to be sold, we may still see a similar option. Or maybe not. :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by wolfelot
What would be awesome would be if you could buy a pass with unlimited days at your choice of "home resort," and the pass would include limited days everywhere else.
What will probably actually happen is all of the Alterra owned resorts will be unlimited, and all of the partner resorts will have limited days. The partner resorts will probably also offer their own pass products.
Next year will probably be my first without a season pass. I just don't ski inbounds enough anymore to justify how much this is probably going to cost.
I too am frustrated by the lack of details but it doesn't seem like any multi mountain type pass is stating exactly what next year's deal will be, no?
edit - er, at least stateside.
This. I've only skied the LCC area once before, but I got the full sampling of what traffic can be like. At least you guys can be thankful that your crowding situation doesn't involve long driving distances like those living on the front range.Quote:
Originally Posted by monkeywrenchMoose
But having finally bought a mountain collective pass this season, I'm definitely setting my sights on a Utah trip. This Ikon Pass could be all smoke and mirrors, but if it has 5 or more days between Snowbird/Alta then it'll definitely draw more people to SLC next winter. In that case, I'll risk driving down this March.
But what about BC/Alberta and the PNW? Would love to see some places out there join up for a pass if they are going to be left out of Ikon.
I too find it odd that they are rolling this out this way. It seems like they don't really know what they are going to offer, and if they do, why roll it out like this? What is going to happen is people will form their ideal pass in their mind, and when details finally come out they won't match that ideal pass we created in our minds. We will all end up disappointed, kind of like your first time with a hooker...they never live up to our fantasies.
I'm guessing there will be a product that's about the same cost and and same unrestricted mountains as the RMSP+. Only real change I expect is either more days elsewhere for the same cost or just a shuffling of the add on days like the CB and Steamboat days at about the same cost. Then probably add in a higher end option with more unlimited mountains.Quote:
Originally Posted by adrenalated
But yeah, if its [edit] to become even more like [/edit] cable TV, paying more for a "bundle" that includes a bunch of days at Mt. Rahehipeau or whatever that I'm not gonna use just so I can get teh shit I need, that'll be lame. I just doubt it, the RMSP+ works so well, seems to anyway, from a sales perspective (though, the way shit's going, they could probably double the fucking price and see about a 1% decrease in sales).
Seems like it has gotten every one of you guys interested. Draw people in, get them interested, then hit them with the price details. Seems like advertising 101 to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by hutash
Why get your panties in a bunch over a pass that won't even be available till next season? Shit, I haven't even popped my MC cherry yet this season.
Not to mention, they announced during Outdoor Retailer. Judging from the Pugs posts, they had a significant presence there, with faux passes.
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Phil says they've been told pricing will be announced mid-February.
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Originally Posted by adrenalated
I'm just wondering who thought that slogan was a good idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by shredgnar
Some marketer who got paid $30K obviously. $10K a wordQuote:
Originally Posted by adrenalated
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Originally Posted by shredgnar
This. As an east-coaster who spends too much limited time and money on flying out west to get my annual fix, I find Ikon pseudo-interesting. However, I thought the same about the Maxx pass a few years back. The Collective has worked well for me, thus far. (Especially the Buy in May, save some bucks, and get a 3rd day.) I wonder if Ikon will roll-out before MC drops is early purchase gig or waits to see how many folks balk at the early season treat.
MC Cherry getting ripped tomorrow. Currently typing from D Playne! (Thank you, Mags, from distracting me from necessary from computer work. Tis good to be back on TG.)
I really doubt this is a half-assed, unfinished plan. The initial KSL/intrawest/mammoth deal was announced over the summer - they could have rushed to put something together for this winter but decided to wait and figure out a better long term strategy (which ended up with a much bigger and better list of partners than I would have expected). What shredgnar said makes sense. Just have to wait and see what the pass options end up like.
Seems pretty half assed and confused to me. Somehow even squaw figured out combining dual passes w alpine after the purchase w less lead time. This is not likely to be in epic format and pricing or they would have said so. Marketing bait.
Everyone should move/go to SLC because you can be at Snowbird/Alta within 30 mins of landing. I70 and it’s long driving distances (56 miles to Loveland and Berthoud) needs a breather.Quote:
Originally Posted by S_jenks
We are still in January. Does anyone know what their season pass will cost for next year yet?
This is an SIA buzz type deal. As a Mammoth/California pass holder I'm very curious what the cost / details are, but my panties will remain untwisted for a while since this is for next year and the longer the wait on this the more time my credit card/bank account has.
Pretty psyched to have Squaw/Alpine on the pass though as that will easy the traveling for Mini Comish's ski races...