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Don't they have some sort of insurance that will keep this from sinking them?
Shitty situation all around...
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Originally Posted by BobMc
(that quote was the first thing that popped into my head when I read the title)
One would assume that they have rather expensive insurance, with quite a bit of coverage, considering the business they're in. But again, it's not in the article so I prefer to assume that they don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Summit
We will see how it turns out. The idea that this is probably driven by the HI company is dead on.
What little revenue that was derived by offering scenics will never offset what a bad idea that was.
Silverton officially offered scenics ? News to me.
This sucks for everyone involved.
I’m not going to make assumptions about their financials, but if found liable, I sure hope it’s not a death blow
Do you guys have e-filing in state district courts?Quote:
Originally Posted by Danno
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Originally Posted by RootSkier
Wow. I'm amazed that they'd allow some lady to try and dismount that ramp. Its sketchy on skis/board.
Why even let a non skier on that? That's stupid.
That ramp is stupid. It would have taken $300 in wood and screws to make a better ramp with a rail on the side. Or shovel a big mound of dirt there, or something.
No lawyer, but that looks negligent as fuck, and certainly will look that way to a non-skiing juror.
I don’t think the ramp would pass inspection in this state
I wouldn't expect the article to discuss whether they have insurance coverage, particularly as the paper of record in a small-ish jurisdiction. If they have insurance, the rules of evidence would generally keep the jury from knowing about it so that the knowledge wouldn't pollute the verdict.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danno
I don't know if they have insurance either, but they're dumb if they don't. I'm aware of the coverage carried by a few Colorado resorts, and it's in the multi-millions of dollars. And the Colorado Ski Safety Act has made it easier for CO resorts to get insurance because it limits the types of actions you can bring against a ski resort in Colorado. Here's some more info for you armchair lawyers.
So you have never unloaded a fixed chair running 500fpm on foot huh, mmm, ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by smartyiak
Why wasn't there an attendant at the top terminal to slow/stop the lift? Exiting that lift is bad enough on skis....can't imagine having to race down the ramp on foot. Silverton Mountain sure fucked that up.
Wouldn't the BLM permit be contingent on them having and proving liability insurance? Our local water ski club can't spit on the bank without proving liability coverage.
in an entirely different industry, I've heard it asserted that it's better to not be insured and to not show a profit because it's just a target for lawsuits (from a business oriented hide-the-assets discussion)Quote:
Originally Posted by Cravenmorhead
without the target, the expectation of lucrative suits drops enormously
that all said, if there is no liquidity to cover a true accident, that would wipe out the business
I’m not clear on what you’re saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by k2skier112
All I’m saying is that, maybe, Silverton has a valid defense:
1) lift passed inspection and was certified by State;
2) others have gotten off lift without injuring themselves;
3) injured person didn’t follow instruction for proper disembark;
4) improper disembarkation led to injury;
5) injured person > 51% at fault for her injury.
Plaintiff’s Complaint looks bad for Silverton...and it should. Silverton’s prolly looks bad for plaintiff.
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Wouldn't they just keep going down the line? This is what happened with Chuinard and the guy who forgot to clip in, I thought. Well, I guess in Silverton's case there isn't anybody down the line with deeper pockets.Quote:
Originally Posted by acinpdx
4-25 from the original amended permit app indicates that they should have insurance and as I suspected the insurance also covers government entities.
https://books.google.com/books?id=5A...urance&f=false
well, that's just it...if there's nothing to go after, why spend the money pursuing an empty ruling in your favor? [ie, a judgement that can't be paid]Quote:
Originally Posted by plugboots
i have no idea who deserves to pay in the OP
but it is always interesting that insurance companies, who receive premiums over time specifically to cover an individual in an accident, try to get out of their responsibility to be the one who pays
didn't they sign up to cover catastrophic unforeseen losses?
they really might be fucked on this one
By relying on the lame waiver on back of ticket?Quote:
Originally Posted by acinpdx
Ive been there a few times and theres rarely a top lift attendant... they even make a big deal to tell you that if your pack gets stuck and you cant get off the chair they will make fun of you
I always thought it was funny but really bad business wise and that they better not make fun of a rich attorney when he gets stuck or falls off
I feel for the lady. Even getting off a high speed detachable quad in the Whistler Bike Park in the summer requires a quick walking pace, and that is at slower lift speed with a wider radius bull wheel and you are walking on a flat dry surface. Having to get off a fixed grip double and then run down a 30 degree snow covered ramp with no railings is absurd... Silverton are morons for allowing foot traffic especially in the winter.
Skied there back in January and there was definitely a top lift attendant, possibly a new policy as a result of this accident. Buddy did exactly what you were talking about.......got his pack caught and stopped the lift. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by tahoearmada
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Originally Posted by k2skier112
However it reminds me that, when I have ever been on a fixed grip chair (locally) where I noticed people walk-on, for up or down loading, it appeared that operators on both ends were in communication, regarding things like which chair(s) and how many, and they slowed the chair down so the people could safely dismount. I am curious what the SOP was at Silverton, for chair related foot traffic?
I can't remember ever riding a chair (during public operation) where there wasn't an operator at both top and bottom.
Thinking back to sitting through risk management trainings - 10-20MM, but that was a few years ago at a well-run, risk-averse place.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Chupacabra
i guess i was thinking about the health insurance co, but your point about the resort liability insurance co is taken...Quote:
Originally Posted by PNWbrit
Silverton's off-ramp is awkward, to say the least. You get off the chair and down the ramp into an immediate uphill off-camber lefthander. People can seize-up at this turn and make for some anxious off-loads.
A couple years back during spring unguided, the liftie stopped me to check my lift ticket after I had already been up a few times. He tells me Jen was pissed that I snubbed her as I walked to the chair. I don't even know Jen I told the liftie and showed him my ticket. I was kind of miffed by the situation but returned to full-concentration 3 towers out from unloading.
Why the fuck would they run the risk of something happening with that rickety old platform and awkward ramp. Seems so easy to cheaply fix it. Now they have to hope not to go under.
Poor woman. That freaking sucks.
We should start a TGR vulture fund to buy them out of the bankruptcy.
I have no pity for Brill if this thing goes sideways.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skistack
I used to tour up in Velocity Basin before that guy even thought of putting in for the use permit. I've skied there a half dozen times or so and had good experiences. However, I do know of many people who made reservations, showed up and were denied getting on the hill because they said they were full-after driving many hours to get there.
I've had ski patrol buddies show up there from afar and be screwed by Brill-having to pay full price to get on the chair and such-the guy's a dick.
I'm surprised he hasn't had a major catastrophic incident with some 18 year old stoner "intern" driving the bread truck into the creek and rolling the thing full of people or a major avalanche disaster.
Unfortunately, for the town of Silverton, this could be a hard hit. So many local businesses rely on the tourist dollars from Brill's business to make it through the winter. This doesn't effect just him, it may really impact Silverton.
I've never seen a fixed grip lift onload or off load someone on foot without at least slowing down. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen, especially for ski area personnel who are used to it but to require a tourist to do it seems like a massively bad idea. I can't imagine a jury looking at a picture of that ramp and not thinking the same thing, unless they are all true expert skiers. This will settle, probably quietly.
Passing a state inspection is meaningless unless the inspection specifically addressed the issue of offloading on foot.
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So many "buddys" and "people i know" and never any first hand accounts of problems in this thread. Interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by bovine
I work at a hill with a fixed grip. we often take foot passengers. The lift does not stop. The bottom station contacts the top with the chair number. The lift operator slows down the chair and is outside to assist. When I am there on patrol I meet the chair. If the above picture is accurate I am amazed at the location of the lift shack. I have not been to many resorts but I always thought the lift shack is on the same side as the offload to assist easier. Our lift shack is located in the center.
That top station is a joke it is in no way set up for foot travel.
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That pic does not lie.
The rough around the edges image is all part of the Silverton appeal.Quote:
Originally Posted by The SnowShow
A few shitters, rickety chairlift, canvas lodge, old school buses and milk trucks shuttling you around, it's what makes the place sweet.
You have to cross a creek by foot when you're done skiing Colorado & the Stooges. It's not because there too cheap to buy a few 8x8s...
Hardly an issue. What they checked your lift ticket?Quote:
Originally Posted by permnation
There’s ANSI and ASTM standards as well as regulations in Colorado that cover this as well as the forest service SUP as well as the ski areas lift operations manual should spell out exactly how this is done, part of the lift inspection in this state ( Washington )covers written operational plans I’m guess Colorado has something similar in place, my guess is Silverton will payQuote:
Originally Posted by old goat