Why does TGR value porn more than skiers and skiing?

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Originally Posted by JayPowHound

Is this about the Ullr thread and consent, or about the Well Endowed and the Readheads in the Special Collection?

Either way, wtf... isnt this the place where new members are asked for pics of gf/wife/sister on a regular basis?

More and more like Epic every day. AZ Greg must be loving this...

If you dont like it, dont look at it. Stick to ski/snowboard. How is that not the easy answer?

If you are coming here to jerk off, that seems pointless, as there are obviously better options a google search away.. but IMO there's nothing wrong with some lighthearted male bonding / appreciation of the beauty of the female form.

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exactly. nobody (I hope) is actually jerking it to any picture posted here. It's confined primarily to one thread (with the occasional bump of the Ullr thread or an occasional Friday thread) and even that thread has lots of non-porn. It's really not that big of a deal, except the Ullr thread is to one person, and she even said she's ok with "regular" porn because she trusts those sites to screen for consent (yes, really, she said that, and apparently is unaware that "amateur" porn is a huge thing).

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Originally Posted by Kinnikinnick

We came here because its edgy and cool, now lets make it lame.

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FFS, this.

Dex complains that it's the moderation that makes this place suck, but it's not. It's some of the people. Thankfully not all of them. Or even most of them.

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Originally Posted by mbillie1

idk what THIS thread is about you'd have to ask prince spindrift, the issue about pics with/without consent that mtngirl raised is a legitimate question (potentially legal question as well) and is something TGR-the-company (iow not mods) will have to decide how to handle.

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While we're at it, we should close down the Gear Swap. There is more than a real possibility that STOLEN goods are being sold in there. Without a way to CONFIRM legal ownership of the goods being sold you COULD be enabling criminal behavior. What kind of place is TGR - do they care AT ALL about the victims of property crime?

Unless you can confirm the rightful ownership of every item being sold in there, nothing should be allowed to be sold!!! Otherwise you are possibly a party to a CRIME!!

OP tl;dr - the body of the post - mostly because through your other posts here I don't respect you, nor will i give you the time.

Polyass and "pron" can take a hike for all I care, because that isn't why I am here, however the bigger issue for me is...

You chose to come here, you choose to click on a link (that says NSFW) in a part of the forum that isn't ski/bike/boat/surf/fish related, what the fuck did you expect? Take responsibility for your own fucking actions or simply GTFO.

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Originally Posted by mbillie1

idk what THIS thread is about you'd have to ask prince spindrift, the issue about pics with/without consent that mtngirl raised is a legitimate question (potentially legal question as well) and is something TGR-the-company (iow not mods) will have to decide how to handle.

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The point of this thread was for spindrift to signal his virtue. Nothing more, nothing less. He wants all of us to know that he's better than the rest of us because he started this thread. He's upping his internet cred one thread at a time.

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Originally Posted by Kinnikinnick

While we're at it, we should close down the Gear Swap. There is more than a real possibility that STOLEN goods are being sold in there. Without a way to CONFIRM legal ownership of the goods being sold you COULD be enabling criminal behavior. What kind of place is TGR - do they care AT ALL about the victims of property crime?

Unless you can confirm the rightful ownership of every item being sold in there, nothing should be allowed to be sold!!! Otherwise you are possibly a party to a CRIME!!

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if you read the stickies you'd notice those things have been decided for GS. but I guess you liked your butthurt reactionary post so much you had to post it twice. for christ sakes calm the fuck down people.

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Originally Posted by mbillie1

if you read the stickies you'd notice those things have been decided for GS. but I guess you liked your butthurt reactionary post so much you had to post it twice. for christ sakes calm the fuck down people.

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If we are getting into the business of crime prevention, let’s really be effective and cover all the bases.


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Originally Posted by Kinnikinnick

If we are getting into the business of crime prevention, let’s really be effective and cover all the bases.

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to be clear: I'm not lobbying for removing images, my first post ITT sums up my thoughts on how a community should operate (with small exceptions for things that are plainly bad for the guy paying for the server uptime, if you don't like it, don't look at it) but there's no need to get carried away either.

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Originally Posted by plugboots

Oh well. Over the years, I have seen the arc of a post or it's poster follow a trend.
Post dumb shit.
JONG!
Original poster fixes error and joins, or ridicule follows, and they figure out, (it may take yeeeeeears), that they don't belong and stop posting.
They keep posting and are ignored. Again, it may take a loooong time.

Too bad the pron can't follow this path and be self-moderated.

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Some of the funniest threads I've ever read have been here on TGR. Definately, some funny maggot bastards. Hope they stick around. Saying stuff here you could never blurt out in an office environment. Reminds me of the crazy fucks from our old ski house. Hard charging party hounds that get first chairs on a pow day. Making me laugh. All DAY LONG

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this place lost edgy and cool years ago. it's middle aged dudes trying to act edgy and cool, by definition lame. Stop trying.

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Originally Posted by mbillie1

There's no justification for polyass either, but you all clamor for that. We could make another hidden porn sub, but who would post there? Would we just move nsfw threads there? ANY moderation action gets endlessly bitched and moaned about, people crying bloody murder and first amendment and all that garbage.

My very personal opinion is that you can either have a strictly-skiing-related-forum, or a general forum. The former requires a level of moderation that nobody (including any of the mods) wants. The latter means that you remove basically illegal content or extraordinarily obnoxious things (spammers, horrific trolls), and otherwise put up with a lot of shit, hoping your community stays small enough to self-police. Welcome to the internet, old people, it has been this way since it started. That's not a justification, but it is a reality. People suck, c'est la vie.

For the record my irrelevant personal opinion on the subject at hand is that mtngirl is dead on correct, and is getting a lot of blowback due to being a woman and specifically being mtngirl (boy who cried wolf sort of thing). If you can't find porn without TGR you're too stupid to be allowed to drive a car, and taking/posting compromising pics even when consent is vague and not outright denied is pathetic.

Edit: all of that said, the people with a financial stake in the business will make a decision on this matter in a few days, so if OP can pause the virtuous diatribe until then, he might get a resolution. The tone of "how on earth can you APPROVE of <thing someone posted>" betrays the incredibly naive assumption that some ostensibly-in-charge human is actually reading 100% of the content on the forums. IF YOU DON'T REPORT THINGS, THE ODDS ARE PRETTY GOOD THAT NOBODY SEES THEM. Keep that in mind before you climb up on your horse.

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I'll ignore your other post and go with your suggestion/request here - and wait for my questions to be answered. That said - I know for a fact a number of folks have hit the "report" button for both sexual and outright racist stuff over the years. They've gotten nothing but silence or blowback for it. So I'm pretty comfortable on my horse at the moment. The time has come for TGR to decide what matters most & what it is about. Waiting...

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Originally Posted by dunfree

this place lost edgy and cool years ago. it's middle aged dudes trying to act edgy and cool, by definition lame. Stop trying.

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For many of us middle age is firmly in the rear view. But thanks I suppose.

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Originally Posted by iceclimb

For many of us middle age is firmly in the rear view. But thanks I suppose.

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Thanks for proving the point.

You too.

Porn is for people who do’nt get any. :nonono2:
Less porn, more STOKE, I say.

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Originally Posted by spindrift

This is for mods & the owners - not the masses who have already weighed in elsewhere.

There has been much discussion about the porn being posted in NSFW threads on TGR.

This leads to several questions:

Given the prominence of porn on the site at this point, why does TGR think it is more important to provide “masturbation aids” for loser men than to be a welcoming place for everyone?

Is TGR sure it is not hosting images posted without consent? (yes, there is a thread about this - but it fits here too) Are you guys confident enough of this that you’d be willing to defend your “moderation” decisions in front of a judge or a professional organization (say the bar or a dental/medical board) or your spouse or your children or anyone else close to you? Including showing them the threads (or heck, even some avatars or handles) in question?

Are you sure none of the images are of under-age individuals? Same follow-on questions as above.

WTF is wrong with you that this is even a discussion anymore? You guys have let this stuff clutter up more and more of TGR. It drives good people out. It is off putting to many prospective members. I’m not talking about any sort of “morality” debate — it defines a hostile & objectifying environment. Do you think your porn following is super important to your advertisers? Do you brag to skis.com, Smith, evo, the state of UT, Mammut, various other manufacturers, assorted ski areas, etc, etc.. etc. that you are getting them access to the highly desirable male "masturbates a lot" crowd? If so, is that part of your pitch to prospective media sponsors? Do you show them those threads and say “hey, look at the access we can get you to this prime demographic?" Think they’d all be excited to have their brands affiliated with this?

Why, at this point in time, are you willing to prioritize porn posters/viewers above the skiing/riding/kayaking/biking/etc. community at large? Inquiring minds really want to know.

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Beautifully written and so true. I'd like to also include the unwarranted lashing out directed at other forum members. What happened to community, brotherhood and the golden rule! I took a break from the forum based on the massive amount of terribly nasty individuals. Bullies always get what's coming to them in then end. Cheers and God bless!

I vote the only allowed porn be ski porn or ski related porn... Of course in this age of modern inclusivness, I guess cross country snowboarding and ski blading porn should be allowed too

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Originally Posted by spindrift

This is for mods & the owners - not the masses who have already weighed in elsewhere.

There has been much discussion about the porn being posted in NSFW threads on TGR.

This leads to several questions:

Given the prominence of porn on the site at this point, why does TGR think it is more important to provide “masturbation aids” for loser men than to be a welcoming place for everyone?

Is TGR sure it is not hosting images posted without consent? (yes, there is a thread about this - but it fits here too) Are you guys confident enough of this that you’d be willing to defend your “moderation” decisions in front of a judge or a professional organization (say the bar or a dental/medical board) or your spouse or your children or anyone else close to you? Including showing them the threads (or heck, even some avatars or handles) in question?

Are you sure none of the images are of under-age individuals? Same follow-on questions as above.

WTF is wrong with you that this is even a discussion anymore? You guys have let this stuff clutter up more and more of TGR. It drives good people out. It is off putting to many prospective members. I’m not talking about any sort of “morality” debate — it defines a hostile & objectifying environment. Do you think your porn following is super important to your advertisers? Do you brag to skis.com, Smith, evo, the state of UT, Mammut, various other manufacturers, assorted ski areas, etc, etc.. etc. that you are getting them access to the highly desirable male "masturbates a lot" crowd? If so, is that part of your pitch to prospective media sponsors? Do you show them those threads and say “hey, look at the access we can get you to this prime demographic?" Think they’d all be excited to have their brands affiliated with this?

Why, at this point in time, are you willing to prioritize porn posters/viewers above the skiing/riding/kayaking/biking/etc. community at large? Inquiring minds really want to know.

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ifin its for the mods n owners
send a chest thumpin white knight pm dipshit
but kopi reds gotcha number
you have an agenda thats to rad for privacy

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^Nice!!

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Originally Posted by ichibaneye

Beautifully written and so true. I'd like to also include the unwarranted lashing out directed at other forum members. What happened to community, brotherhood and the golden rule! I took a break from the forum based on the massive amount of terribly nasty individuals. Bullies always get what's coming to them in then end. Cheers and God bless!

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Find those sweaty undies yet?

It's no longer about the nudes. Now it's about moderating.

But I propose a compromise:

Get rid of the porn and then block MTNGURL for life.

Your incessant feminist whining on this board...I remember the day you joined thinking holy frick this woman needs a father figure.


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Originally Posted by NW_SKIER

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Originally Posted by spindrift

This is for mods & the owners - not the masses who have already weighed in elsewhere.

There has been much discussion about the porn being posted in NSFW threads on TGR.

This leads to several questions:

Given the prominence of porn on the site at this point, why does TGR think it is more important to provide “masturbation aids” for loser men than to be a welcoming place for everyone?

Is TGR sure it is not hosting images posted without consent? (yes, there is a thread about this - but it fits here too) Are you guys confident enough of this that you’d be willing to defend your “moderation” decisions in front of a judge or a professional organization (say the bar or a dental/medical board) or your spouse or your children or anyone else close to you? Including showing them the threads (or heck, even some avatars or handles) in question?

Are you sure none of the images are of under-age individuals? Same follow-on questions as above.

WTF is wrong with you that this is even a discussion anymore? You guys have let this stuff clutter up more and more of TGR. It drives good people out. It is off putting to many prospective members. I’m not talking about any sort of “morality” debate — it defines a hostile & objectifying environment. Do you think your porn following is super important to your advertisers? Do you brag to skis.com, Smith, evo, the state of UT, Mammut, various other manufacturers, assorted ski areas, etc, etc.. etc. that you are getting them access to the highly desirable male "masturbates a lot" crowd? If so, is that part of your pitch to prospective media sponsors? Do you show them those threads and say “hey, look at the access we can get you to this prime demographic?" Think they’d all be excited to have their brands affiliated with this?

Why, at this point in time, are you willing to prioritize porn posters/viewers above the skiing/riding/kayaking/biking/etc. community at large? Inquiring minds really want to know.

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I'll answer. TGR isn't prioritizing, they set up some servers/developers at some cost, and use volunteers to run the place with minimal effort because they like to focus on other things than a forum and like it to be free haven for ski bums, friends from 20 yrs ago, and the occasional misfits/trolls that entertain the former. You are not their target audience. We have seen maggot businesses come and go, mags be born married, die, not all of the same generation. And porn wasn't a big deal over that amount of years. And it isn't now. Mtngrl made a stink. Woopdee do.

Seriously question. Why are you hassling the mods and owners with this shit? TGR has been home of the maggots for more than 15 yrs and you are trying to fix it? As has been said before, don't like it, don't click. How hard is that?

I agree with you a lot of time on political stuff, etc. Just STOP TRYING TO PUSH YOUR AGENDA, WHATEVER THAT IS, ON OTHERS.

We all came to this place because we could be jackasses and not be scolded. Fuck you for scolding us and again, trying to bring it to attention to lawyers and owners to make a change YOU THINK IS RIGHT. It's not your home, Holmes. It's all of ours. You remind me of a roommate from college, for just one year.

Grrrr

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Ripnstick nails it

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Originally Posted by 2FUNKY

^ loose buckle?

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And that is why I love this place...

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Originally Posted by 2FUNKY

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Tryin to zip up

spindrift sucks

When I opened this thread I thought that it was just another self righteous rant of a displaced epicski busybody trying to make the TGR clean so that the many Amish skiers and nuns that post here would not have their delicate sensibilities bruised. As I read I saw that it was another self righteous rant of a displaced epicski busybody trying to make TGR clean so a displaced feminist would not have her delicate sensibilities bruised.

I must be slipping.

Hope she found skidiva.com and is in a better place now.

I saw something a while ago where TGR pitched itself as the most "open and honest" outdoor site (or something like that). I asked simple questions. I'm still waiting for an official owner/mod response.

Everyone knows that You sniff Hillary Clinton's panties, perv.

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Originally Posted by spindrift

I asked simple questions. I'm still waiting for an official owner/mod response.

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Is the silence not answer enough?

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Originally Posted by acinpdx

Is the silence not answer enough?

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I suppose it is answer enough if you assume the owners/mods are cowards and weasels. I'm hoping they will prove otherwise. I mean if TGR is more about porn and masturbation and being a "he man woman hater club" than skiing/riding - they can just say so. How hard could it be for an adult (or adults) who owns the asset to be up front about where they stand on an issue a number of community members consider important.

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Originally Posted by spindrift

I suppose it is answer enough if you assume the owners/mods are cowards and weasels. I'm hoping they will prove otherwise. I mean if TGR is more about porn and masturbation and being a "he man woman hater club" than skiing/riding - they can just say so. How hard could it be for an adult (or adults) who owns the asset to be up front about where they stand on an issue a number of community members consider important.

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I think you should spend a solid amount of time drafting up a mission statement.

We have two people that decided they were the Boss of TGR.

They can both leave.

It is funny how this place preaches "community self moderation" or variants of that theme but is almost superhuman in its circling of the wagons if BS behavior gets called out. The owners are the boss of this place. It'd be nice if they were honest about their priorities. Likewise the mods and some of the posters on this topic.

Pretty sad to see folks who post al those political "tisk tisks" about Harvey Weinstein et al, rage at those who suggest that abusive & likely non-consensual + stolen porn is detrimental to this community. That having an incredibly hostile environment diminishes us as a collective. Doubly so that those same folks attacked mtngirl with virtually the complete menu of standard sexist "lynch mob" techniques. Triply so when you consider the literal insanity (including "spamming") that has been tolerated in males here.

You people are pathetic.

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Originally Posted by spindrift

You people are pathetic.

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Originally Posted by spindrift

It is funny how this place preaches "community self moderation" or variants of that theme but is almost superhuman in its circling of the wagons if BS behavior gets called out. The owners are the boss of this place. It'd be nice if they were honest about their priorities. Likewise the mods and some of the posters on this topic.

Pretty sad to see folks who post al those political "tisk tisks" about Harvey Weinstein et al, rage at those who suggest that abusive & likely non-consensual + stolen porn is detrimental to this community. That having an incredibly hostile environment diminishes us as a collective. Doubly so that those same folks attacked mtngirl with virtually the complete menu of standard sexist "lynch mob" techniques. Triply so when you consider the literal insanity (including "spamming") that has been tolerated in males here.

You people are pathetic.

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Originally Posted by Rip'nStick

I'll answer. TGR isn't prioritizing, they set up some servers/developers at some cost, and use volunteers to run the place with minimal effort because they like to focus on other things than a forum and like it to be free haven for ski bums, friends from 20 yrs ago, and the occasional misfits/trolls that entertain the former. You are not their target audience. We have seen maggot businesses come and go, mags be born married, die, not all of the same generation. And porn wasn't a big deal over that amount of years. And it isn't now. Mtngrl made a stink. Woopdee do.

Seriously question. Why are you hassling the mods and owners with this shit? TGR has been home of the maggots for more than 15 yrs and you are trying to fix it? As has been said before, don't like it, don't click. How hard is that?

I agree with you a lot of time on political stuff, etc. Just STOP TRYING TO PUSH YOUR AGENDA, WHATEVER THAT IS, ON OTHERS.

We all came to this place because we could be jackasses and not be scolded. Fuck you for scolding us and again, trying to bring it to attention to lawyers and owners to make a change YOU THINK IS RIGHT. It's not your home, Holmes. It's all of ours. You remind me of a roommate from college, for just one year.

Grrrr

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spindrift -- you have your answer ^^^

welcome to my Ignore list -- ( I am not sure Why you chose to pursue your holiness after twelve years ; I hope you find epicski more rewarding...


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