Haven't watched yet, but Simon and Pelecanos were just on Fresh Air and it was a really interesting listen:
http://www.npr.org/2017/09/27/553867...-porn-industry
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Haven't watched yet, but Simon and Pelecanos were just on Fresh Air and it was a really interesting listen:
http://www.npr.org/2017/09/27/553867...-porn-industry
Oh, ok, thanks. So it is all about porn.
The Franco brothers were based on real twin brothers?
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Never saw The Wire, huh? It had a huge ensemble cast but, arguably, the "star character" of the show was the city of Baltimore itself. By which I mean, the myriad characters and their subplots collectively merged to become the story of Baltimore. The Wire was probably compared to a novel more than any other TV to come before or since it aired. With Simon and Pelecanos's writing, you can expect setting, social issues, character and plot to all be given equal weight. So, if you want a mostly plot driven story, look elsewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by ill-advised strategy
“Every story would be another story, and unrecognizable if it took up its characters and plot and happened somewhere else.… Fiction depends for its life on place.” - Eudora Welty
Just watched all four episodes during my free week of HBO and loved it. Great story building and intertwined characters. Cool seeing actors from the Wire and the story building is very similar.
I'm liking it so far, but not a fan of Franco playing twin brothers. Ewan MacGregor just did it in Fargo, it's played out. At least in Fargo, one brother was skinny, clean cut, and had a full head of hair, totally different from the beer belly, balding/mullet, mustached brother. Fargo took the time to make Ewan look different enough that it was kind of cool. The Deuce, they just put different clothes on Franco and leave everything else the exact same. Weak sauce.
Yeah, it's confusing. They're so much alike, you don't know who's who at times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diamond Joe
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Who cares; he's a better actor than MacGregor, just enjoy it.
I've watched it end to end 4 times. Also read David Simon's nonfiction books Homicide and The Corner. The Wire had a lot to say about class, about the drug war, and about the ongoing failure of modern U.S. cities and institutions in general.Quote:
Originally Posted by neckdeep
I guess I'm waiting to see if there's a cohesive point, or several of them, this show will make....not complaining that I don't see one thus far, just excited to see what takes shape over time.
Couldn't get through episode 1. Characters not believable. Franco owes $30k to the mob on behalf of his brother on the salary of a bartender at a failing Korean restaurant. His wife is throwing herself around like it's going out of style at random pool halls. Somehow through all of this, he never once looks angry, overwhelmed, or depressed and manages to crack jokes with said brother. Makes no sense.
The Corner was a great read. Much more than I thought going in.Quote:
Originally Posted by ill-advised strategy
This show is starting to take off for me now. I'm in.
Yeah me too
loving the mob connection. Rudy! with Vince and enforcer(?) Frankie?!? and I hated the "twins" a couple weeks ago
also liking where the porn thing is going, into a lot of the characters now too
"I'm at tenth and 37th, and I just shot a nigger."
You left out the best part: "Come get him." <hangs up phone, pours coffee>Quote:
Originally Posted by Benny Profane
The Genovese mobster who was brokering the sit down between Rudy Pipilo and Matty the Horse was the infamous Oddfather, Vincent "the Chin" Gigante. Sorta weird thing going on in the show where the Gambinos are all fictional characters and the Genovese are real historical figures.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diamond Joe
Another great serving of cock this week. Thanks HBO
underwhelmed so far. Cool that it's all historical an all but sorta...yawn.
It just dawned on me that the shooting was one of those moments that assured my devotion for awhile. Rarely do I jump and shout and laugh at something on my TV screen, but that was good. Much like the bathtub falling through the ceiling in Breaking Bad, season 1 episode 2. I was hooked after that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meadow Skipper
It's supposed to be 1971, and I watched a promo thingy that said they were so meticulous about the little details.
Fuck you, that's a 1979 Ford pickup. Meticulous my ass.
I should send them an email so they can edit that shit out before the dvd and the reruns and whatnot.
I thought the way Leon shot Reggie Love was sort of a call back to the last episode of The Wire because that's the actor who played Slim Charles. The totally unexpected instant killshot delivered with a calm demeanor. Echoes of "That was for Joe."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rWuJ3eD6Qc
and also some discussion (I can't remember the specifics) of historical hitmen in Baltimore, the nature of which described that exact type of phone call. I think maybe it was Barksdale and Weebay (sp?) talking about Dennis Wise when they were setting something up for him to get out of prison.
..yeah, I went and found it on the intertoobz:
You know, what I mean? A good soldier ain't gonna lack for work.
Take that number, man.
When you out, you call.
We'll hook you up, man, no problem.
Like a coming-home gift, a-ight.
Call it.
Joint mighta broke him.
Boss, you talkin' about a homey walked up an' shot Elijah Davis in broad daylight at Pennsie and Gold, then picked up the phone, dialed 9-1-1, told the police, "I just shot a nigger, come get him".
and I think that was in one of his books too, David Simon doesn't seem at all afraid to double back on material... nttawwt necessarily.
I need to catch up.
I don't have the longest attention span, so the season long build up is tough sometimes.
The pilot was good but too long.
Episode 2 you get a bit more.
Why are all the tits saggy! Come on HBO!
Yeah well, I'm pretty sure the actors not being air-brushed implanted playboy type models is kind of an important part of the overall message.Quote:
Originally Posted by Labcabin
But you could find a lot of those bodies on 'late night' HBO.
The only hot one is the bartender chick.
News flash: Street walkers are never "hot." If they were hot, they'd have other options.Quote:
Originally Posted by AK47bp
Sorry, didn't know it was a documentary.Quote:
Originally Posted by neckdeep
What, you don't like the Ashley (the girl who ran away)? Or how about the one who was getting fucked in the porno as Candy was directing?Quote:
Originally Posted by AK47bp
"Hot" is in the eyes of the beholder, as we all know. Ask Eddie Murphy about that, or tons of men who have "hot" wives or girlfriends, but still insist on hitting the street market.Quote:
Originally Posted by neckdeep
My buddy thinks that I like this show because I like to see Maggie Gyllenhall naked, but, sorry, I don't get that, although I dig her voice. To each his own.
Darlene gives me a rise, though. Little devil.
No, that's not it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benny Profane
So.. it that it? Season one??
Only 10 episodes. Which qualifies for the shit that annoys me thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diamond Joe
That's also it for that funky early 70's setting. Supposedly, the next season leaps forward into the late 70's disco era. Which, not coincidentally, takes us to the next seismic shift in porn industry, the emergence of the VCR as a consumer product. The VCR takes porn from collecting quarters and makes it into a billions of dollars business for the Mob. No doubt the third season will take us to the point where corporate America moves into the biz to push aside the Mob. Maybe the fourth season should take us full circle to today, where the new technology means porn is barely worth a quarter again. I read somewhere that the typical porn actress gets paid so little now that most of them can't even afford to live in Los Angeles anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diamond Joe
Well where's the last two then?? There's only been 8 episodes and it hasn't been on the last two SundaysQuote:
Originally Posted by Meadow Skipper
I f’ed up - I don’t know why I wrote 10. There were only 8. Sorry.
Docudrama, to be precise. Some characters are real, others are real but have different names, others are composites of real people and some are wholly fictional. For example, that Genovese mobster, Matty the Horse, was a real made guy and he really did control the nascent porn biz. The Franco twin characters were real, but had different names. The bar was called the Tin Pan Alley, not the Hi-Hat. Eileen/Candy is a composite character. Ruby/Thunderthighs was a real person and that is how she really died.Quote:
Originally Posted by AK47bp
Wow, they jumped ahead and skipped a few years. New theme song, new credits, just like The Wire, each season a change.
77 was when Benny was driving a cab in NYC. Interesting times. Just pre Aids.
Dualing francos hits me wrong...too gimmicky
Digging the music so far in S2 - Elvis C, Jonathan Richman, Television, The Damned.
I thought it was funny how he punched the radio or boom box or whatever on the bed stand playing a particularly irritating Talking Heads thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by teledad