Damn. I think my bootz are like 302. I don't think those heel pieces move that far.
Thanks for the offer though. Definitely would have taken you up on it.
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Damn. I think my bootz are like 302. I don't think those heel pieces move that far.
Thanks for the offer though. Definitely would have taken you up on it.
Salomon QST series is pretty damp for the weight. You can go lighter with the Mtn Explore series too. Not as edgy as the Blizzards, but damper and edgy enough. They have a pretty smooth lightweight construction figured out.
New Head Kore series should be on your radar.
I bought Wren 98's (184cm) as my do it all touring ski. They aren't "light" perse but also not that heavy and have more tip rocker than you're asking for but it also makes them fun in powder or super slush while still being extremely versatile. I have 300 & 305 BSL boots and they're mounted with kingpins if you want to try them out sometime this spring.Quote:
Originally Posted by kidwoo
Those look pretty legit. I might take you up on that. Thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by TahoeJ
OK, I mostly lurk here but this topic is one that's been on my mind for awhile.
I have (and like) Vectors for mostly BC corn skiing, but it seems like all that surface area is unuseful since the snow is firm. And then there's the suction issue, which in my limited experimentation is less of a problem with narrower skis.
Last spring I tried the Vectors, some 1980's straight skis, and skinny double cambered XC skis. I also tried giving one of the straight skis a very coarse base "grind" to compare structure types. I also tried various waxes.
What I came away with is that the skinny XC skis were by far effected least by suctiony snow.
So my question, since I'm too cheap to order them from Norway and try it: Are these my blueberry?
http://www.asnes.com/produkt/falketind-62/
Funny Thread.
My spring Ski is the OG! 194 Legend Pro Rider.
there is no substitute.
You need to "Harden The Fuck Up"
FYI I just bought some used 186 Lhasa Pows. = Perfect when I puss out on my 196's
https://youtu.be/unkIVvjZc9Y
Sure why not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoyo
Or you could get a good aggro base grind and wax your skis. Personally there's a 'too skinny' for me in corn. When it gets soft enough you actually do want some surface area so you're not just slicing into shit too hard and getting high sided when you really need to throw them sideways.
I'll let you do my 3rd knee surgery in the parking lot of the peppermill if you think you've got something. It was your 194s that got me to buy those 186s.Quote:
Originally Posted by MTT
Valid point. I have never experienced base suck on 55mm waist XC skis. But here in the PNW the snow pack often softens such that we're skiing a foot or more of slop in the afternoon on a May/June corn tour. I managed the slop okay on E99s when I was a younger man but not these days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoyo
FWIW, I have never experienced significant base suck on Vector BCs nor any other fishscale base, which is equivalent to very effective structured base. So maybe the best corn touring skis are fat fishscales.
The Falketinds aren't available with a waxless base, unfortunately. They are interesting (to me) because they appear to be a modern, shaped, alpine cambered, early rise tipped ski- but extremely narrow.
So- Did the XC skis I tried go right through suctiony snow because they are skinny, because they are double cambered, or because they are waxless? A little of each? I wish I knew.
I didn't mention before- I have Vectors in both waxless and flat bases. And I agree, the waxless ones are better in corn for suction. They also leave you with some form of propulsion when tree pollen makes skin glue totally fail!
I also got 0g95s for this purpose last spring, though in 178, and really enjoyed them into July. The only thing I'd add is that the mix of extremely light and very stiff is a little strange feeling.Quote:
Originally Posted by AKbruin
Haha!Quote:
My knee twitches whenever I read 'carbon'.
Lindhal mentioned the ski that comes to mind, Salomon Mtn Explore. Surprised they don't get more play here as a spring ski. For a touring ski very damp and capable, good edge grip, decent float and won't shit the bed when snow gets a little ugly. Very well ballanced skis, my limited experience on them mirrors the Blister review.
Skied the new head Kore 105 this weekend at Mission on firm, spring like conditions. Astonishingly damp, velvety feel on the snow. All went well till I pulled off the groomer into softening, refrozen snow. Not so good there with significant deflection and hookyness. Some of it could be mitigated with detuning but only so much.
As far as carbon skis go I think guys need to try some of the newer featherweight wonders, not all of them feel like my old G3 Zenoxides. Volkl and others have come a long way in making light skis not feel like you are skiing on gravel.
For a cheaper alternative how about a Blizzard Kabookie?
Never been on them myself, and they're not the lightest tourers around, but for the stated missions the Armada Declivity comes to mind.
Edit. This years' model looks (to me) more true to its description than the previous tst-ish shaped version.
Voile Objective BC would be sweet for late season corn toursQuote:
Originally Posted by Yoyo
I tried the 189 Kore 105 that same day. I think the 93 might be a better spring touring ski. They are light and damp but on steeper soft crud they got bucked and deflected. I think it might have more to do with the center mount but to some extent the tune, I felt like I was going over the bars a few times with that soft, short tip out there. On anything smooth the were great and easy turning, maybe like the Soul 7 HD but smoother and lighter?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Thomas
I bet the 105 would be a great mid winter touring ski.
I see little advantage to long spring touring skis. If you were to go for the Zero G 95s, for example, I'd strongly recommend getting the 178cm. I nearly got them for myself. I'm 6', 180lbs+, and ski reasonably aggressively and have never felt limited by the 185cm length of my skis. Whereas, doing kickturns with my 190cm Backcountries on steep frozen slopes is a pain in the ass. Nor do I want that kind of length when I'm scared and hacking through some jump turns in a steep couloir. Also the weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by kidwoo
[Warning: It's also possible that I'm going rando. In five years, I may be wearing a Lycra skinsuit, headband, 90's style wrap-around sunglasses and riding on skate skis. ;)]
Another vote for the bonafide. They aren't super light, but two sheets of metal beats anything else for corn. They turn refrozen corn cob into skiable snow
Oh I see the warning signs. Yessireee.Quote:
Originally Posted by AKbruin
You know what it's like skiing shit conditions for 500ft of walled in garbage snow and then you're just over it and cover the last 2k without turning. It's mood lifting. Something rockered I'd do in the 180s. Maybe just below if more flat camber. It's kind of nice to have you know.....real skis.
But yeah it's just a matter of time before you're on 67mm waist 163cm skis with paperclips for bindings, skinny britches and a headband.
Quick test.
I remove skins by:
a) taking off my skis and then removing skins while enjoying the scenery
6) doing that reach, stretch and peeling them off while still on my feet and looking at everyone I'm skiing with to make sure they noticed
iiv) Getting humerus bone extensions so I can reach down while running with my skis on and checking my times against john morrison
I fondled the Zero G 95s yesterday ... surprising light for as stiff as they hand flexed.
We need a wave of reviews saying 'these suck, worst skis ever' so shops lower their leftover prices.
Since you are talking a ski for use with CAST plates and alpine binders, all of these "spring corn touring skis" being suggested in this thread will feel and ski like crap. Unless you really mean you want something lighter and dedicated for touring and then I'd say go pin tech.
If you liked the OG surfboard LP but want something easier on zee knees, go try to find yourself a 2010-2012 era Legend Pro 105 in the 184cm. Lil shorter, lighter(ish), has tip rocker but not too much, and yes softened and a little pussified as compared to the earlier iterations of the full cambered LPs, but still an excellent hard/ corn snow slayer with enough heft to decapitate the chicken heads.
184 Cham 97s. Either the older HM version, or the 2.0.
Turnier than LPs though.
PSA 184 Salomon MTN Explore 88s on sale at BC.com for $389.
https://www.backcountry.com/salomon-...4-005056946dac
Support Keith and get some 9D8's in a 179
LBSki got a pair of UL's a year back when they were on sale, and he's digging them
Huh? What?
*rubs eyes*
I got some on3p 98 wrens a month ago. A little heavy but they fit the bill. I'm all good. But hey keep the suggestions flowing for anyone else wanting something similar. Tis the season.
Yeah, I basically treat these tech talk threads as resources for anyone looking for a corn ski, etc. So, rather than start yet another "what ski for me" thread, folks can just poach the info/PSAs/etc on the threadzzzQuote:
Originally Posted by kidwoo
Glad you're liking them. They take a little getting used to at first.Quote:
Originally Posted by kidwoo
Good to know the wrens found a loving home. After demoing several damp, heavy, austere, western European skis of similar waist, I've decided to check out the far edge of that spectrum with the mx98. Hoping it will be an even more lifeless and austere version of a Bonafide.
Bit late to this parade but I'm going to recommend the LownDown 102 (updated version of mbillie1 's CD102). I have a few days on mine now in variable spring conditions and after the initial "wtf have i done I hate those they're so much harder to ski than my Lotus120s" I think I love them. I have the 179 version, they're moderately stiff, light (1500 g ish per ski), no swing weight, and the long radius means that there's no issue with top speed. Took them down the NW couloir of the Pfeiff on their 2nd day, I figured they'd either work or I'd take a 1300' slide for life. They worked.Quote:
Originally Posted by mbillie1
I have an AK 183 bro for this purpose. I will mourn them when they reach the end of their life, and may try to replace with the same.
Checks all of your boxes as far as I can tell...
Honestly man, those are some of the easiest, first turn skis I've ever owned. Got along with them immediately. (2d snow here, still haven't/won't ski them in pow)Quote:
Originally Posted by TahoeJ
Only thing I had to adjust to was the rockered tips in the footwells of my sled. ;)
Thanks again for the rec!
Right, they're easy to ski, I was just used to Wren 112's so had different expectations and therefore a bit of an adjustment period.Quote:
Originally Posted by kidwoo
Bumping this up.
TahoeJ warned me the tips on the wrenegades might be too rockered. The tips are too rockered. In anything un-soft it feels like I'm on a ski that's all underfoot and tail.
So instead of suggesting skis (which would be the same suggestions already in this thread), just send me shit you have for sale. Because I'm buying something.
Cham 97
nordica hell and back
That kind of stuff. Just no 1000g chattery shit.
Suggestions :PQuote:
Originally Posted by kidwoo
Kastle fx95HP (or non HP)
Nordica Enforcer
4frnt mpv95
mantra m5
Wren95
They do ski soft snow really well, but of course so do a lot of wider skis that are better at it. On the other hand, I replaced my Wren 98's with Navis Freebirds and found they didn't have enough tail rocker for shit fuck conditions since I had trouble releasing them in tight spots. Next up are the Ravens, which have rocker but the taper is very subtle. Will get out on them for the first time this weekend. It's difficult to find that perfect "skinny touring ski" - particularly for Tahoe / the Sierra since the chances of encountering a huge variety of conditions on the same tour is likely.Quote:
Originally Posted by kidwoo
Need skis more than ideas at this point. Quite a few that would fit the bill
Haven’t bumped them in a while, trying to keep them but avoiding work and keeping them is unrealistic. My exp’s shine on corn. 3flex(stock 173 is 2). I haven’t skied a ul/c with so little chatter. Surprised I haven’t seen anyone do a +10 exp but anywayQuote:
Originally Posted by kidwoo
Praxis, vipec, dynafit , flylow
https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...d.php?t=320940
Crisis averted. I just swung by praxis and keith had some 9d8s he gave me a good deal on. I'll be back in two years to complain about the graphics or something and bump this up again.
^^^^
I'm here to tell your that you made a big mistake. Should have bought yetis. Best spring touring ski out there.
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Originally Posted by altacoup
What part of not chattery pinner man bun skis did you miss?