Truck Tire Time

I have been running the atw on a stock 100-series land cruiser for a year: pavement, gravel, Sierra winter conditions, mud, dirt, rocks (unmaintained FS roads/trails), and hauling firewood in a trailer on mud trails and open hillside. They have been great and I have never had traction issues.

At least last year, these were marketed at the "improved" version of the AT3, with similar AT traction and durability as the AT3, but better winter performance because of the siping. It's unclear to me if they have a different rubber than the at3. I've also been driving the older version on the yoko at tires (not snowflake rated) on a fwd minivan. Much better slick road stopping and handling performance with the ATW.

It looks like there are more affordable options available this year compared to the past. That's great! (thanks Canada!)

I've also had a great experience with Cooper tires on my Land Cruiser (model won't do any good as they are several years old) - they were reasonably priced, generally pretty quiet on the highway for a truck tire, aggressive enough tread for light off road duty, and seem to do really well in the snow. Part of the latter is the all wheel drive system on the Land Cruiser. I'm way happier with these tires and they don't have visible signs of wear in the 3.5 years I've had them on the truck. Way better wear so far than the prior Les Schwab Toyo's (which are generally pretty good tires) that I had on their previously.

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Originally Posted by acinpdx

for those in the west: anyone buy at les schwab?

I got a set of wild country xtx sport that performed well overall, but only got me to 40k mi
good in the cold/wet/transitional that i drive through to get up to elevation
i'm wondering if i should go back there (those tires were my first truck tire purchase)
they will discount the tires based on the lower mileage, but wondering if i'm shorting myself by not looking at more conventional brands

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Les Schwab is a rip off. Go to Discount Tire or a Tire Factory franchise. Every quote I've ever got from LS is higher than from another place. I buy all my tire at Discount Tire now, better service, price, selection and they want your business.

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Originally Posted by AaronWright

Les Schwab is a rip off. Go to Discount Tire or a Tire Factory franchise. Every quote I've ever got from LS is higher than from another place. I buy all my tire at Discount Tire now, better service, price, selection and they want your business.

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Yup. Once you go discount you don't go back.

thx gentlemen

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Originally Posted by acinpdx

Les Schwab

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Haven't bought from them, but have shopped. They seem to be the most expensive, along with Big O. Discount Tire/ America's Tire (depending on where you're located) is considerably cheaper -- wait for a sale (like the upcoming Black Friday sale), stack manufacturer and DT rebates, buy on Discount's house credit card for another rebate (usually $30 to $60 just for running the purchase through their card).

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Originally Posted by Tryingtostaywarm

I have a set of Cooper ATP's on my F-150. Have about 15k on them in the last and love them. Drove extensively on non-plowed winter roads last season, entire camping season of 4x4 roads etc.

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I have the same -- Cooper ATP -- on my GMC Sierra 2500, E-rated tire. Not enough miles to gauge treadwear, as I don't drive that truck much, but I can say that ATPs with fresh tread perform well in snow, even in an open-bed pickup truck (w/o any weight added for traction). They seem to be a little smaller than the last set, which were a BFG A/T knockoff. (Same size for both tires -- 245/75/16, stock wheels.)

This thread is great timing as I just bought a '12 Tundra and got some money off because the tires will need replacing. I've been in f150s for years and have used general Grabber at2s and bf Goodrich all terrain ko2s ( which I'm amazed hasn't come up yet in this thread ). The ko2s are nice, look tough, but are soft, wear fast, and are expensive. The general grabbers are cheap and wear much better. I've been looking at Duratracs, but very interested in some others here. Carry on

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Originally Posted by doebedoe

Are you talking about the Falken AT3W or the Cooper ATW?

I'm guessing the latter since I've not seen a single review of the Falken AT3W with lots of winter experience. Plus it has a 55k warranty to Coopers 50k. I'm not surprised that it is a great snow/ice tire, that Cooper AT3 was already very good on snow/ice and ATW upp'd that focus.

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Cooper ATW. Sorry for any confusion. As to the question on compound, yes, they have silica in them similar to winter tires but are designed to be run year round.

I have 15,000 miles on my duratracs, they still look new.

Black Friday deals are out. Pretty much narrowed to Cooper and Maybe Falken AT3W. Anyone know the Cooper ATP? Looks more A/T than the AT3 (and considering my primary HWY use it may be overkill). Also, the Falken is tempting but no real reviews as its new. Again, non-snow manners may make it loud or overkill compared to the AT3.

Discount tire pricing:

Cooper Discoverer ATP: $139
Cooper Discoverer A/T3: $149 (if using the pep boy price match on their cooper A/T)
Falken Wild Peak A/T3W: $155

ATP:
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http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/...felony-8746517

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Originally Posted by esseff

Black Friday deals are out. Pretty much narrowed to Cooper and Maybe Falken AT3W. Anyone know the Cooper ATP? Looks more A/T than the AT3 (and considering my primary HWY use it may be overkill). Also, the Falken is tempting but no real reviews as its new. Again, non-snow manners may make it loud or overkill compared to the AT3.

Discount tire pricing:

Cooper Discoverer ATP: $139
Cooper Discoverer A/T3: $149 (if using the pep boy price match on their cooper A/T)
Falken Wild Peak A/T3W: $155

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I got to drive the AT3W around on a few inches of snow, slush and ice. Very very good. When it did let go it was predictable and only cause I forced my van to. Better than the AT3, but probably not any better than the new ATW from Cooper which I would add to your list.

No testing in deep snow yet, but given the tread depth and lug pattern I expect good things.

I'm sure his employees fully support him............

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Originally Posted by zion zig zag

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/...felony-8746517

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Originally Posted by zion zig zag

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/...felony-8746517

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They have fantastic service and nearly unbeatable prices.

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Originally Posted by AaronWright

They have fantastic service and nearly unbeatable prices.

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Yeah, I just posted so that informed decisions could be made. I personally won't spend there even if it costs a few bucks more.

Nokian Hak LT2 on my Tacoma, because no one has mentioned these yet. Mine are 10 ply and ran me around $160 mounted. Gas mileage dropped a little maybe about a 1 mpg, they handle good, and are quit enough. I had a couple of old style Tundra's prior to downsizing to a Taco. I wouldn't hesitate to put them on a full size truck. My first set of Nokian's and most likely not the last.

I think studs are overkill for my needs in CA. I also was under the assumption that studs are illegal in CA but I looked it up and they are permitted November 1 to April 30. I don't think I've ever seen a vehicle w/studs in Tahoe...not that I am looking but you can generally hear them.

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Originally Posted by Fred Pabst

Nokian Hak LT2 on my Tacoma, because no one has mentioned these yet. Mine are 10 ply and ran me around $160 mounted. Gas mileage dropped a little maybe about a 1 mpg, they handle good, and are quit enough. I had a couple of old style Tundra's prior to downsizing to a Taco. I wouldn't hesitate to put them on a full size truck. My first set of Nokian's and most likely not the last.

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Originally Posted by zion zig zag

Yeah, I just posted so that informed decisions could be made. I personally won't spend there even if it costs a few bucks more.

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you should probably stop buying tires then because I think most tire companies would not share your point of view.

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Originally Posted by t-the-east

This thread is great timing as I just bought a '12 Tundra and got some money off because the tires will need replacing. I've been in f150s for years and have used general Grabber at2s and bf Goodrich all terrain ko2s ( which I'm amazed hasn't come up yet in this thread ). The ko2s are nice, look tough, but are soft, wear fast, and are expensive. The general grabbers are cheap and wear much better. I've been looking at Duratracs, but very interested in some others here. Carry on

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Seems you want to stick with A/T-style tires. I'm riding Cooper ST Maxx tires on my 94 Toyota pickup. Tread design is based on the Dura Max. Love 'em! Good on the road, but waaaaay better dirt performance than either the Cooper Discovererererer A/Ts or the Toyo Open Country A/Ts that I previously used on the vehicle. Very, very heavy tires, though, and supposedly insanely difficult to puncture.

A similar tire that I recently learned about is the Toyo R/T. That tire is no doubt another Duramax ripoff. I may try these new Toyos on the FJ 80 I just bought. This Landcruiser already has a set of brand new mudders on it, but I ain't risking it.

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Originally Posted by AaronWright

you should probably stop buying tires then because I think most tire companies would not share your point of view.

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It's not about whether or not they share my point of view, it's about how they donate a stack money that I've contributed to. This isn't difficult.

Anyway, I'm getting ready to replace a Cooper A/T tire on my truck, I'll have to look at the exact model. It's been great in the snow and off-road and I've been pleased on the freeway, but the tread life hasn't been great.

Isn't the st maxx an M/T?

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Originally Posted by mtbcat

Michelin LTX MS
These came on my used 03 Tundra 4x4 TRD.
Any like or dislikes in the snow and off road ?
So far i like on dry would like to hear others experience in the mountains.
mixed reviews online.

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I had these on my old K1500 ('96 4x4 5.7L). Absolutely loved the tire. Aside from the fact that they are not dedicated winter, they were pretty great all - around. I drove them on two short "overland" trips (Austin to Big Bend - Spring and Austin to Ruidoso - Winter) using as much forest road/dirt roads as possible. Used them for some brief easy offroad jaunts around the Austin area (like driving up highline right of ways). Also saw 3 S. Indiana winters with these; drove nicely on some pretty frozen forest roads over there.

I easily drove through wet, consolidated snow that was as deep as the front bumper of the truck for several miles to get to a campsite. I pulled out of a 3' or so drift that was down in a ditch that I slid into (slowly) at a turnaround. They did pretty well during some ice rain storms but obviously aren't a winter tire. They are pretty good on slick rocks, but obviously not a true AT. Great on dirt and gravel. I drove Black Gap road (not a hard trail, but i mention in case you are familiar) with that truck, 31" tires and stock suspension and had zero tire slippage. They were pretty good on dirt roads that were a bit muddy from snow melt, actually pretty confident in some pretty slick mud, but obviously, the treads don't clear out like TSLs. They also looked about new after 60K. For in town, they were quiet and didn't hurt the mpg.

At work, I drive Firestone Transforce A/Ts on 2wd truck chassis' in snow and ice all winter. Not an aggressive tire at all, and fleet mechanics say they're getting like 50k miles out of them. For a pretty highway-oriented tire that lasts a long time and runs quiet they do pretty well in the snow.

Worth a thought.

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Originally Posted by bodywhomper

Isn't the st maxx an M/T?

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No. Similar tread design to the Dura Max.

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Originally Posted by Viva

No. Similar tread design to the Dura Max.

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you mean dura trac, i think.

so they are another A/T-M/T hybrid....

thanks

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Originally Posted by bodywhomper

so they are another A/T-M/T hybrid....

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Yes!

Just tried out the new updated 10 ply LT hakka's today in the snow on my Titan XD. These tires are amazing. I would highly recommend them for anyone needing an E-rated snow tire.

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Originally Posted by zion zig zag

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/...felony-8746517

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Originally Posted by zion zig zag

Yeah, I just posted so that informed decisions could be made. I personally won't spend there even if it costs a few bucks more.

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It's something of a wonder that more people don't boycott Utah for the same reason.

More information for that decision, D-Tire is running some significant rebates on tires like the Michelin Defender this Fri-Sat.

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Originally Posted by Meadow Skipper

It's something of a wonder that more people don't boycott Utah for the same reason.

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Maybe DT owner has lost a lot of $ due to baked workers putting on tires improperly, w/out all lug nuts, etc.?

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Originally Posted by Meadow Skipper

More information for that decision, D-Tire is running some significant rebates on tires like the Michelin Defender this Fri-Sat.

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I called DTD today and they said their prices are cheaper than local DT AND no sales tax for us prisoners here in CA. He said he would ship my order directly to the local DT for mounting. $15/tire. Probably more as there is TPMS, etc. but that is cheap.

He also verified DT does start their BF sales on Friday. He did not mention the actual discounts. I'll wait and compare prices on Friday.

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Originally Posted by esseff

Maybe DT owner has lost a lot of $ due to baked workers putting on tires improperly, w/out all lug nuts, etc.?



I called DTD today and they said their prices are cheaper than local DT AND no sales tax for us prisoners here in CA. He said he would ship my order directly to the local DT for mounting. $15/tire. Probably more as there is TPMS, etc. but that is cheap.

He also verified DT does start their BF sales on Friday. He did not mention the actual discounts. I'll wait and compare prices on Friday.

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Local store managers have the ability to haggle and adjust prices. You can ask them to match DTD and they probably will.

Just got KO2's put on earlier this week.

5 tires, mounted and balanced for $900. Hard to beat

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...dd37e25322.jpg

Got 50k+ out of my old AT's

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Originally Posted by esseff

I called DTD today and they said their prices are cheaper than local DT AND no sales tax for us prisoners here in CA. He said he would ship my order directly to the local DT for mounting. $15/tire. Probably more as there is TPMS, etc. but that is cheap.

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How is that legal ? Seems like the sales tax people would have an issue with that scheme.


Disclosure: I don't know shit about sales tax laws because my state does not have a sales tax.

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Originally Posted by Harry

How is that legal ? Seems like the sales tax people would have an issue with that scheme.


Disclosure: I don't know shit about sales tax laws because my state does not have a sales tax.

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DTD is a separate store vs DT/America's Tire. So even though there are DT stores in Nevada, I can order from DTD and they don't charge sales tax in NV, and they ship free.

The Black Friday sales this time aren't that great -- not many manufacturer rebates to stack on the DTD ones. I was looking, since my sister needs some tires for her 4WD. The Cooper ATPs have been solid on my truck, and she does a fair amount of dirt road driving, so I think she's leaning towards those.

Was planning on Cooper ATW, but can't get them in the 4runner size (265/60R18).

So backups are:

Falken at3w, seem pretty similar to the cooper atw, perhaps less siping
Cooper AT3, less winter oriented but likely pretty good
Cooper ATP, ??? How do these compare?
Cooper WSC, has anyone used these? Less of an AT design but studdable and winter design

Thoughts? Will likely go with the Falken.

I was in similar boat, my options came down to AT3 and Wild Peak AT3W. First pick was AT3 but they don't make my size (275/65/18) in a P. So I ordered the AT3W from local D Tire for great price match deal. Falken has 30 day trial period so if they are loud, I can dump them and get something different.

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Originally Posted by CaliBrit

Was planning on Cooper ATW, but can't get them in the 4runner size (265/60R18).

So backups are:

Falken at3w, seem pretty similar to the cooper atw, perhaps less siping
Cooper AT3, less winter oriented but likely pretty good
Cooper ATP, ??? How do these compare?
Cooper WSC, has anyone used these? Less of an AT design but studdable and winter design

Thoughts? Will likely go with the Falken.

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Originally Posted by east or bust

Just got KO2's put on earlier this week.

5 tires, mounted and balanced for $900. Hard to beat

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...dd37e25322.jpg

Got 50k+ out of my old AT's

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Got my appointment Tuesday for these on my tundra. Pretty damn excited. Big life decision is white letters in or out.....

In...............unless they pay you to advertise.

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Originally Posted by t-the-east

Got my appointment Tuesday for these on my tundra. Pretty damn excited. Big life decision is white letters in or out.....

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^ this is true. Just bought KO2's and method wheels for my 1st gen tundra. Letters in...

I have General Grabber AT2s on my Sequoia. Good snow traction, but terrible wear. I have maybe 25k on them and they'll make it through the winter but not much more. Thinking of going with the Michelin Defender LTX m/s next go round.

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Originally Posted by CaliBrit

Was planning on Cooper ATW, but can't get them in the 4runner size (265/60R18).

So backups are:

Falken at3w, seem pretty similar to the cooper atw, perhaps less siping
Cooper AT3, less winter oriented but likely pretty good
Cooper ATP, ??? How do these compare?
Cooper WSC, has anyone used these? Less of an AT design but studdable and winter design

Thoughts? Will likely go with the Falken.

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I've been content with my cooper at3s in winter driving so far. The ATP are similar but a hair more aggressive. Pretty sure they are discount tire only. Hopefully falken did full depth siping on the at3ws. The old wild peaks effectively became slicks at 1/2 tread.